I found ESMB and I must say, what an incredible eye opener it was. Even after being declared I still believed most of the garbage Hublard had spewed (talk about a mind fuck). With Ex's here posting the plethora of threads and info to be read I dove in and came out realizing I could let all of the Hublard B.S. fall away, deciding for myself what I choose to believe in. I admit I was a chagrined but certainly wiser to find out $ci is a lie and Hublard is scum. If it wasn't for Emma starting ESMB as a meeting place for Ex's I would probably still be believing $ci had some value (which it certainly does not). I'm a big believer in that ESMB is a vital source of information regarding the true nature of Hublard, $ci and peeling away the onion to discover how subtlety and insidiously a person can be twisted into a mindless robotic follower. Thank you Emma and Ex's!