Originally Posted by FinallyFree and response from Gadfly
Yeah - pretty confusing. I have questions, if you would be so kind as to entertain me (OT III was my 'button' as a scientologist. But I did not even make it to Clear, thank God). You might be able to address all of them in one answer.:
- Are BT's the same a thetans, only stuck to an occupied body?
LRH's describe them as thetans who have been largely asleep the whole time (since the moment they were originally compacted together with other such unconscious thetans). They went unconscious due to the overwhelming force, invalidation and chaotic energy of HUGE INTENTIONALLY CONDUCTED IMPLANTS. There can be other ways for thetans to crunch up together, stick together and form "groupings" of mostly unconscious thetans. Such as space craft collisions. But the BIG EVENT, the one that Hubbard claims caused all of the trouble was 75 million years ago, when Xenu and cohorts intentionally smashed thetans together and formed huge clusters. Since then, none or maybe a few have woken up or become "unattached". The effect can be viewed as 1) negative for the many unconscious thetans, and 2) the many negative effects they have on the person with all of them stuck to him or her.
One of these BTs, or a group of them (known as a "cluster" of BTs), can be stuck ANYWHERE, though most often PCs experience them as being stuck to his or her body. Hubbard does stress that you are still "you", and you have somehow managed to be the one who "runs the show", but these little buggers can affect you JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ASPECT OF CASE WHEN IT GETS RESTIMULATED. So, just as some long lost pain of your own might restimulate by the sight of a similar environment, during a moment of pain or unconsciousness, so goes the notion that some pain in the case of SOME OTHER thetan might restimulate by the sight of a simalar environment.
The problem, as the theory goes, is that we can't differentiate "whose it is", the restimulated pain (or whatever), we don't see any of this phenomena as "other than ourselves", and the person confuses all these reactive impulses of MANY other thetans as HIS or HER OWN, since they basically occur "in your space". So, from this view, most of "your case" above OT III is not "really your case". But these reactive cases of many others, who you can't differentiate or experiences as anything other than yourself, AFFECT the PC just as his own case. More identity type phenomena, but here instead of the A=A=A of events, pains, emotions, sensations and pain with TIME, the A=A=A occurs between actual THETANS! THAT is the basic theory of OT III. Also, these can be attached to anything, even a ridge that you imagine exists 28 billion miles on the other side of Arcturus! If you experience it as "there", then it is "there".
- how is it that the BT’s supposedly effect you? If they are stuck to your body (or are they stuck to something else?) – how could they have influence over you?
They work how I explained above. I will give another analogy. For me I always imagined restimulation along the lines of "resonance". The idea is that all energy responds to like energy, by growing, and all dislike energies tend to cause other energies to change or dissipate.
Experiment #1. Take a shallow pan of water, at least 2 feet in diameter. Place a speaker, connected to an amplifier, aim it at the pan, with the amplifier attached to a signal generator. As you move through lower frequencies, you will find points where the vibrations of the speaker cause similar vibrations in the water. Resonance. Frequencies of energy cause similar frequencies of energy in the environment.
So, when some aspect of the environment is similar to some aspect of the content of some "negative energy memory bundle" (engram, call it whatever you want), that component of similar energy in the incident starts "vibrating" and comes alive, exciting the rest of the package of negative energy. Restimulation.
Take that idea and apply it to BTs. Something appears in the environment, it excites some aspect of the BT's case, and BINGO, it appears right there in YOUR SPACE, and you incorrectly interpret and experience the energy as your own. With all of the attendant negative side-effects. Remember, these little buggers are invisible - they are thetans. But, just like the purported PC, they each have a time track, a case, PTS items, right on down the line. And, the person cannot view or experience this energy as separate from his or herself. Why? Because the SOURCE of the energy is invisible. People tend to interpret energy existing "in their space" as being their "own". This is true whether or not OT III data is.
- Where does the BT go when you get rid of it?
According to LRH they will most likely go out and "pick up a body". In a sense it is a "person" just like you. When you "audit" them out, you have to keep in the same TRs, grant beingness, and persist helping the entity through the incident, as would any other auditor. People who frame this as "auditing out little aliens" are dumb, misinformed, and are confusing what is happening here with the details of the OT III implanting story.
- Can you audit a BT up to the point of it being able to get its own body?
Answered above. Yes. It "blows" as does any aspect of case, with the required F/N (and cog - though the cog can be as simple as "oh, it blew").
- what happened to the BT for it to be stuck to an occupied body rather than inhibit one itself?
There are handlings for BTs who "won't leave". Often, they can be PTS, and rarely, per Hubbard, they might be suppressive and require an entire special rundown to dislodge it. Simply, ANY process or list that can be done on a person, can be done on a BT. The aim is NOT to address its entire case, but only to free it up enough to leave and get back into its own "game of life".
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From what you've said above Gadfly,OTIII debunks the entire Scientolgy and Dianetics tech.
According to the tech a thetan has no mass, energy, space or location in. So therefore BT's which are some form of degraded thetan cannot be smasshed together as they have no substance, They can not stick together or to other things as they have no substance. In order to have a cluster it has to be material which per definition thetans are not.
Additionally, according to your analogy, you can't do Dianetics after you go clear because it would be a confusion as to whether your somatic or whatever was you or some BT or God forbid a cluster. So when your a mere preclear you can do Dianetics because you won't be confused. But after clear you will be. This goes to show that you were better off and had less confusion before you went clear because you had the ability to know they were your engrams. But after you would be confused as to where the hell the problem was coming from.
Additionally, with all the somatics a person can have with there own reactive mind, with 2-300,000 more reactive minds one would be frozen into extreme unfunctionable agony. Whadaya think?
