How do you explain past lives?

[themadhair]

Even *without* 'science'; I have often brought it up, and, I'll do so again. Why would you think that a 'past life' you remembered was *your* past life, even if the details of it could be proven indubitably?

Why would 'self' and 'my past life' be so freakin *important* to someone interested in spirituality? Why couldn't 'I' remember 'sombody else's' Past Life? And, why would it be important to me?

Ssshhh! You might some people realise they are disingenuously shifting the burden of proof in order to protect their delusions….

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Even *without* 'science'; I have often brought it up, and, I'll do so again. Why would you think that a 'past life' you remembered was *your* past life, even if the details of it could be proven indubitably?

Why would 'self' and 'my past life' be so freakin *important* to someone interested in spirituality? Why couldn't 'I' remember 'sombody else's' Past Life? And, why would it be important to me?

Zinj

Well if it's not your own past life, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose?

Isn't the entire purpose of believing in religion to give us a superiority complex?

How would remembering someone else's life make me feel more special and spiritually superior than the next guy, if it wasn't my life?

My ego wants to focus on my autobiography not someone else's

 

[programmer_guy]

Why couldn't 'I' remember 'sombody else's' Past Life?

Because you don't share the same brain with them.

 

[themadhair]

Because you don't share the same brain with them.

But you don't share the same brain as you either...

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Because you don't share the same brain with them.

Yeah but nobody shares the their brain with any other entities from supposed past lives or present life.

What is the point of even having a "meat body" brain if we are capable to store all the data from past lives without one?

 

[Zinjifar]

I refuse to share my brain anyway. Bad enough I leave the trash around.

Zinj

 

[programmer_guy]

Yeah but nobody shares the their brain with any other entities from supposed past lives or present life.

What is the point of even having a "meat body" brain if we are capable to store all the data from past lives without one?

Memories are not exactly "stored" in the brain like a tape recorder. This has been proven. Recalling something is "on the spot" reconstructed from "recorded" bits and pieces then spliced together as desired/needed. This is why "memory" can be faulty at times.

Apparently, this is how the human brain works in recalling something.

This is one subject that is not so simple as some people might believe.

 

[programmer_guy]

How Does Your Memory Work? (Memory is malleable)

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxVb6M8UPTQ&feature=related

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGXbY3fUOlg&feature=related

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBfKbOEWR6I&feature=related

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyMAtDPA4uM&feature=related

Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pikAnZw38CI&feature=related

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Memories are not exactly "stored" in the brain like a tape recorder. This has been proven. Recalling something is "on the spot" reconstructed from "recorded" bits and pieces then spliced together as desired/needed. This is why "memory" can be faulty at times.

Apparently, this is how the human brain works in recalling something.

This is one subject that is not so simple as some people might believe.

I completely understand, not only are memories not stored in a neat sequential order, but neither is the firmware which interfaces our nervous system and sensory perception

http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=19110


However getting back on point, if one believes in past lives, then one must also believe that memories are stored somewhere other than the brain since the brain is a physical component of the body and dies with the body. Or in the case of those who die in a nuclear blast as in the case of Incident II ... it gets vaporized with the body.

 

[programmer_guy]

I completely understand, not only are memories not stored in a neat sequential order, but neither is the firmware which interfaces our nervous system and sensory perception

http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=19110


However getting back on point, if one believes in past lives, then one must also believe that memories are stored somewhere other than the brain since the brain is a physical component of the body and dies with the body. Or in the case of those who die in a nuclear blast as in the case of Incident II ... it gets vaporized with the body.

Yes, getting back to the point (past lives)... if we are not spiritual beings with memories that cross life-times then I would think that the brain wouldn't matter. And this is exactly what SCN teaches. This is false.

Seeking Human Memory Sources
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPa7op84R30

 

[nw2394]

Why couldn't 'I' remember 'sombody else's' Past Life?

Indeed

And, why would it be important to me?

It aint that important.

I just put my nose in here because someone else quoted scientific "thinking" as if it was any more valid than someone's belief. Wasn't there another thread on here recently that mentioned Edison thought the radio was a fad that would die out.

Nick

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Indeed



It aint that important.

I just put my nose in here because someone else quoted scientific "thinking" as if it was any more valid than someone's belief. Wasn't there another thread on here recently that mentioned Edison thought the radio was a fad that would die out.

Nick

Bill Gates thought the internet would be just a passing fad too,

but neither of these quotes has to do with beliefs versus scientific thinking,

unless you are saying Edison and Gates should have stuck to scientific thinking,

because their beliefs regarding both of those were wrong.

 

[programmer_guy]

Indeed



It aint that important.

I just put my nose in here because someone else quoted scientific "thinking" as if it was any more valid than someone's belief. Wasn't there another thread on here recently that mentioned Edison thought the radio was a fad that would die out.

Nick

It certainly is more valid if it is provable under a controlled setting with verifiable evidence.
Otherwise I could claim that the moon is made of green cheese and who is anyone to invalidate my SCN "win"?

 

[me myself & i]

Well if it's not your own past life, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose?

Beautiful. And Brilliant. It's *cut to the chase scene* well spoken.

Isn't the entire purpose of religion to give us a superiority complex?

Perhaps so, and *perhaps* also so is the entire purpose of religion is to give a superior being to us all (& to all religion) some sort of value to themselves?

Are we not at least conceivably in the position of being akin to ants imagining the conceivability of the reality of a species greater than ourselves, as ants? Say grasshoppers, i.e.

Or 3 dimensional beings in a 4 or 5 or 6 dimensional field making intellectual commentary on the reality of those higher *conceivable* fields in which they blindly exist, while being simultaneously unable to control the beat of their very own 3-dimensional heart and the firing of their very own 3-dimensional brain's neurons, at the very same time. So to speak.

[spontaneous note to self: I do not believe the phrase *entire-purpose* is the most effective phrase available to convey the point being made by it's author above, in relation to religion, I do however believe I may be wrong. must address later (to self)]

Times up. Lol!

Nice post Chuck.

Thanks.

mm&i

feels kinda like drinking clean water, so to speak.

refreshing.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

[spontaneous note to self: I do not believe the phrase *entire-purpose* is the most effective phrase available to convey the point being made by it's author above, in relation to religion, I do however believe I may be wrong. must address later (to self)]

I probably should have said

Isn't the entire purpose of believing in religion to give us a superiority complex?

The purpose of creating religion is to control people's thoughts and actions, or the need to explain a phenomenon because you are not able to accept the fact that you do not understand it. Religious leaders to this day are arrogant enough to believe we are important enough that God takes time out of his Day to personally punish us.

 

[Gottabrain]

Anyone that believes their spiritual freedom depends on finding the earliest incident of something and who believes they are actually spiritual beings trapped in a body until they do so must then believe in past lives.

When one stops believing in the trap, the whole thing falls apart and past lives are no longer important.

I am not trapped. My lifespan will be short enough without mucking around with memories that may or may not have actually happened beyond the memories I already have in this life. I mean - living is more important than remembering and always has been.

I have no desire or inclination for superhuman powers beyond the garden variety senses anyone else has. I am happy with myself as I am but see plenty of room for improvement in the here and now to be a better person.

Does that make me a "wog"?

Or does that make me "free"?

From my view, accepting one's self as you are is freedom so you can move in no direction but forward. If some feel they need to take steps backward in order to go forward, the stepping backwards can be its own trap and obsession.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Why couldn't 'I' remember 'sombody else's' Past Life? And, why would it be important to me?

Zinj

As Nick said, "indeed". And As he also said, it's not that important. It only seems that way from certain "fixed" viewpoints.

Yes, getting back to the point (past lives)... if we are not spiritual beings with memories that cross life-times then I would think that the brain wouldn't matter. And this is exactly what SCN teaches. This is false.

That is not a statement of fact, only one of belief. You might want to think about starting your own religion. Who knows? It might make you rich.

The brain only matters to the body, not the being. Also a "belief", but one which is directly consonant with my personal experience. The mind as phenomena is evidently something of a hybrid which serves to connect, or mediate, between the two.


Mark A. Baker

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Anyone that believes their spiritual freedom depends on finding the earliest incident of something and who believes they are actually spiritual beings trapped in a body until they do so must then believe in past lives.

When one stops believing in the trap, the whole thing falls apart and past lives are no longer important.

I am not trapped. My lifespan will be short enough without mucking around with memories that may or may not have actually happened beyond the memories I already have in this life. I mean - living is more important than remembering and always has been.

I have no desire or inclination for superhuman powers beyond the garden variety senses anyone else has. I am happy with myself as I am but see plenty of room for improvement in the here and now to be a better person.

Does that make me a "wog"?

Or does that make me "free"?

From my view, accepting one's self as you are is freedom so you can move in no direction but forward. If some feel they need to take steps backward in order to go forward, the stepping backwards can be its own trap and obsession.

You mean you would rather participate in living this life and every other life you may have, rather than spending it searching for insignificant memories you may have previously experienced?

I can't believe how selfish you are. Why would you ever want to do such a thing? you have just doomed mankind and made the L. Ron cry.

 

[me myself & i]

The brain only matters to the body, not the being.
Mark A. Baker

If that's not *classic* I don't know what is.

The point being its 3-dimensional physical counterpart where-in *the wave and the particle properties* of light are facinating to observe. Check back in 25,000 years of intellectual human development for the punch line (i.e. understanding) of both phenomena. Oh wait, that's too long! or conversely, lol, we already know.

*Classic* I say.

mm&i

p.s. to employ the reality of the physical restraints or biological limitations of conscious man as an argument that conscious mans's pyschological and or spiritual being doesn't or didn't and or never will exist independent of that temporary 3-dimensionally perceived form, is the stuff of religious legend. Which is to say what religions are made of and for. In a twisted emotional intellectual spiritual wretched sort of way. Lol.

That's all. Lol.

mm&i

p.s. the heart trumps the mind as the being grows for the simple reason the mind shuts up. At the approriate time.

and then speaks up again, at the next one.

I'm about 7 years between my posts too soon. LOL!

lar

 

[Gottabrain]

You mean you would rather participate in living this life and every other life you may have, rather than spending it searching for insignificant memories you may have previously experienced?

I can't believe how selfish you are. Why would you ever want to do such a thing? you have just doomed mankind and made the L. Ron cry.

L Ron was really Xenu - Marty Rathbun told me. And we've led a new revolution under Mary Sue that will not only save mankind, but Martiankind and every other galaxy!

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=19521