How do you explain past lives?

[programmer_guy]

The brain only matters to the body, not the being.

Where did you get that idea? From Scientology?
I've been there and done that.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

The brain only matters to the body, not the being. Also a "belief", but one which is directly consonant with my personal experience. The mind as phenomena is evidently something of a hybrid which serves to connect, or mediate, between the two.


Mark A. Baker

Yet the physical brain can be stimulated to produce what are known as 'spiritual events' or can be physically damaged and wipe out entire portions of a 'being's' memory. If the brain only matters to the body then why was Hubbard so uptight about people getting ECT?

 

[Gottabrain]

Good one, Chuckles.

The brain is where all these past lives are coming from (you guys really should read this link, its very cool):

http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=1852

 

[programmer_guy]

It's about mind control. It can be about "past lives" or anything else.

Derren Brown Controls Shopping Mall Visitors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOEKdaXIEHc&feature=related

I like what Derren Brown has demonstrated in so many vidoes.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

It's about mind control. It can be about "past lives" or anything else.

Derren Brown Controls Shopping Mall Visitors


I like what Derren Brown has demonstrated in so many vidoes.

This one is even better, since it works on he person watching the video

I'll post a tiny URL in case you haven't seen it yet since the youtube still image gives it away

http://tinyurl.com/y8rf3z


Anyone who doesn't understand why the emeter reacts to the implants Hubbard's material programs you with on the upper levels should really watch these clips

 

[Panda Termint]

You do realise that the guy who originally asked the OP question left, in despair of finding any answers here, nearly 2 years ago?
He was smart to do that.

 

[programmer_guy]

This one is even better, since it works on he person watching the video

I'll post a tiny URL in case you haven't seen it yet since the youtube still image gives it away

http://tinyurl.com/y8rf3z


Anyone who doesn't understand why the emeter reacts to the implants Hubbard's material programs you with on the upper levels should really watch these clips

Derren Brown is very knowlegable.
That guy was "convinced" that he wanted a BMX bike. But Darren proved to him that he had wanted a leather jacket to begin with.

Derren is a master at mind influence. And he proves this over and over again.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

You do realise that the guy who originally asked the OP question left, in despair of finding any answers here, nearly 2 years ago?
He was smart to do that.

No I had no need to look at the the first page, since I only saw this thread for the first time yesterday. I hope he's doing well though.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Derren Brown is very knowlegable.
That guy was "convinced" that he wanted a BMX bike. But Darren proved to him that he had wanted a leather jacket to begin with.

Derren is a master at mind influence. And he proves this over and over again.

He had me thinking I wanted a Red BMX bike too, it's the same result desired result of the cult's mind control, except Derren Brown doesn't require decades of mind control to achieve it the way Hubbard's con game does.

 

[programmer_guy]

He had me thinking I wanted a Red BMX bike too, it's the same result desired result of the cult's mind control, except Derren Brown doesn't require decades of mind control to achieve it the way Hubbard's con game does.

Yes, and we can still see that influence continuing in the freezone.
It's sad.

 

[uniquemand]

It's too bad that Flubbard had occult goals. It's too bad that he hyped up the occult powers aspect of what he once called "parascientology". It's too bad he even overhyped Dianetics (Freudian abreactive therapy). And it's too bad FreeZoners continue that hype, when they do, or continue to stress "powers" or "immortality" rather than really confronting, and really handling their own situations. At least in the FreeZone, people are free to leave or have their own thoughts or applications of "the Tech", though.

 

[Pepin]

From my view, accepting one's self as you are is freedom

But what if.............

The real you is somewhere else, a higher self if you will, and the body you see in a mirror is really just an expression of YOU!;
Like an avatar in a computer game?

have you ever played online roll playing games?

What if the universe we call life is actually a realm and our bodies are avatars that we use so we may interact with all the other "players"??

Would you want to "wake up" and realize you are much much more than the expression or stay asleep believing the expression is the real you?

Now consider this....

I don't know if you have children, but what if.......

Your son was buried in his room playing online games ( like my son did)
And he began to believe he WAS the character in the game and he no longer interacted with you or anyone else outside the realm??

Would you want to help him??
Possibly reach in and talk with him to point the road to reality??

It seems like I had to do this with my son. He got addicted to Diablo and the only way I could communicate with him was to create an avatar of my own and join the realm.


I wanted my son back. It was not easy to get him to let go of the game. It became a trap, an addiction for him.

What if our "realm" is not much different? What if God sent his son to interact with us using a "like" avatar to reach us?, the lost who are asleep.

I can relate to a loving Father looking to help his son who was lost in a realm of make believe.


~p

P.S. In all of these "realms" the "player" can take on many avatars, many lives with different roles, usually one at a time.
~p

 

[AlphOhm]

But what if.............

The real you is somewhere else, a higher self if you will, and the body you see in a mirror is really just an expression of YOU!;
Like an avatar in a computer game?

have you ever played online roll playing games?

What if the universe we call life is actually a realm and our bodies are avatars that we use so we may interact with all the other "players"??

Would you want to "wake up" and realize you are much much more than the expression or stay asleep believing the expression is the real you?

Now consider this....

I don't know if you have children, but what if.......

Your son was buried in his room playing online games ( like my son did)
And he began to believe he WAS the character in the game and he no longer interacted with you or anyone else outside the realm??

Would you want to help him??
Possibly reach in and talk with him to point the road to reality??

It seems like I had to do this with my son. He got addicted to Diablo and the only way I could communicate with him was to create an avatar of my own and join the realm.


I wanted my son back. It was not easy to get him to let go of the game. It became a trap, an addiction for him.

What if our "realm" is not much different? What if God sent his son to interact with us using a "like" avatar to reach us?, the lost who are asleep.

I can relate to a loving Father looking to help his son who was lost in a realm of make believe.


~p

P.S. In all of these "realms" the "player" can take on many avatars, many lives with different roles, usually one at a time.
~p

Some may have multiple accounts, polybox and have swarms...

 

[Pepin]

If you can explain to me how spending time entertaining delusions rather than searching for truths and facts helps one out of a spiritual dead end, I'm all ears.

:confused2:

Frankly, you seem to me to spend a great deal more time "entertaining delusions" in the matter than I so I defer to your greater experience in this regard.

The commonly occurring error lies in thinking that the explanation of such apparent phenomena MUST be restricted to your present way of thinking about the physical universe.

Mark A. Baker

Well said Mark.

It appears you may have outlined the basics of a "body trap" if there is such a thing <grin>

 

[Pepin]

The point is the believe of past lives is just that a belief,

A belief that is TRUE to them!

and I have no problem with people choosing to believe it,

Sure you do. You attack their right to believe as they choose, and seek to replace "THEIR BELIEFS" with YOUR OWN VERSION of TRUTH.

but once they try to pawn it off as a truth, that is where the problem lies,

Isn't this exactly what you do?!?

Let me submit that you have become exactly what you claim not to like!


~p

 

[Pepin]

Some may have multiple accounts, polybox and have swarms...

Ahh.. multiple personalities!

 

[Pepin]

I probably should have said

Isn't the entire purpose of believing in religion to give us a superiority complex?

I think someone suggested religion to make us believe we have an INFERIORITY complex.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

... And it's too bad FreeZoners continue that hype, when they do, or continue to stress "powers" or "immortality" rather than really confronting, and really handling their own situations. ...

Not by any means do all freezoners do such things, U. For instance, those with whom I'm regularly in contact do not put any significance on such matters. That's not what auditing is about.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Gottabrain]

But what if.............

The real you is somewhere else, a higher self if you will, and the body you see in a mirror is really just an expression of YOU!;
Like an avatar in a computer game?

have you ever played online roll playing games?

What if the universe we call life is actually a realm and our bodies are avatars that we use so we may interact with all the other "players"??

Would you want to "wake up" and realize you are much much more than the expression or stay asleep believing the expression is the real you?

Now consider this....

I don't know if you have children, but what if.......

Your son was buried in his room playing online games ( like my son did)
And he began to believe he WAS the character in the game and he no longer interacted with you or anyone else outside the realm??

Would you want to help him??
Possibly reach in and talk with him to point the road to reality??

It seems like I had to do this with my son. He got addicted to Diablo and the only way I could communicate with him was to create an avatar of my own and join the realm.


I wanted my son back. It was not easy to get him to let go of the game. It became a trap, an addiction for him.

What if our "realm" is not much different? What if God sent his son to interact with us using a "like" avatar to reach us?, the lost who are asleep.

I can relate to a loving Father looking to help his son who was lost in a realm of make believe.


~p

P.S. In all of these "realms" the "player" can take on many avatars, many lives with different roles, usually one at a time.
~p

I like this way of looking at it. What a wonderful metaphor! It goes along with my views almost completely.

The way I see it:
Each "avatar" is a viewpoint a person assumes, complete with role, etc. Yes, like living a life.

But your son never forgot he had a body and is a person outside the game. He just found the game more interesting and absorbing.

If he found the game boring, unpleasant or stupid, he would leave it. If he won the game and there were no more levels, he would leave it. If he died in the game and couldn't keep playing it, he would also leave it. Knowingly, consciously and freely. Like looking away from his video game to see what else is around. Like waking up from it when his attention is elsewhere.

And he would re-assume his bigger viewpoint, his full personality as you know him.

Our bigger viewpoint is always there. But we can only assume one viewpoint at a time.

Are there other bigger viewpoints we have? Who knows? Does it matter?
Does it matter who or what players we were in the past - as long as we always have a bigger viewpoint and don't lose sight of the fact we have an essence of life, that we are Children of God, or by whatever other name we call ourselves?

Your son didn't bring a bunch of junk out of his video game back with him to his real life. He may have needed a few minutes to get reoriented, but that's about it. No bank, no case carried forward from the video game. No beings stuck to him, either.

There is no trap. There is only losing sight of the fact that our nature is spiritual and all life is connected. I suppose it is possible someone can go entirely on automatic, but even then - they still die. And in doing so, they wake up to the bigger viewpoint.

Will what we do here and now for the good of others and the animals around us affect how much joy we have afterwards? I believe so. A life well lived with heaps of love has to have rewards not just along the way, but afterwards.

That's how I see it. No trap.

(I like the way you made it a metaphor with Jesus, though, and a person believing they were actually the character and nothing else... food for thought!)

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

A belief that is TRUE to them!



Sure you do. You attack their right to believe as they choose, and seek to replace "THEIR BELIEFS" with YOUR OWN VERSION of TRUTH.




Isn't this exactly what you do?!?

Let me submit that you have become exactly what you claim not to like!


~p

I am not attack anyone's beliefs, I am asking for evidence of what people are considering to be a truth.

I will say it again, everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions, but they are not entitled to their facts. If these ideas are being presented as opinions that would be one thing, but they are not being presented as opinions, they are being presented as truths, and if they are indeed truths then they need to be backed up evidence, not opinions.

The burden of prove is not on the person who is asking evidence proving the existence of Santa Claus, the burden of proof is on the person who is claiming Santa Claus exists. The same goes for everything else, and in this case not a single shred of proof has been presented regarding past lives.