How do you explain past lives?

[Panda Termint]

I am not attack anyone's beliefs, I am asking for evidence of what people are considering to be a truth.

I will say it again, everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions, but they are not entitled to their facts.

WTF are you, the Fact Police?

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

WTF are you, the Fact Police?

Why is this discussion bothering you so much?

If you have something to add, please do so.

 

[Panda Termint]

The discussion doesn't bother me at all, I'm just amazed that you can't see the irony in it all. You're flogging a dead horse.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

The discussion doesn't bother me at all, I'm just amazed that you can't see the irony in it all. You're flogging a dead horse.

I still don't understand why this is bothering so much? Are you a member of PETA?

 

[Panda Termint]

If you don't understnd that it's not bothering me that's fine. My comment here isn't about the thread or its topic, it's about your ridiculous comment, "I will say it again, everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions, but they are not entitled to their facts."

That bullshit bothers me and my response to that is "WTF are you, the Fact Police?"

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

If you don't understnd that it's not bothering me that's fine. My comment here isn't about the thread or its topic, it's about your ridiculous comment, "I will say it again, everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions, but they are not entitled to their facts."

That bullshit bothers me and my response to that is "WTF are you, the Fact Police?"

If someone is claiming something is true, then I expect them to back it up, if that bothers you I really don't know what to tell you.

 

[Panda Termint]

Chuck, This thread has been running for 2 years. The OP (Joseph) quickly realised he wasn't going to get an "explanation" and left. After 2 years and 586 posts of commentary on the subject I'd imagine that a smart dude like you would have come to the same conclusion as the OP. There are people here who believe in Past Lives and people here who don't. That's how it is, neither is going to change the other's mind and the ONLY correct answer to the question, "How do you explain Last Lives?" is "You can't."

If you approach it as a problem (which it actually is per that wording) the solution is probably, "Don't try" or "Just decide."

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Chuck, This thread has been running for 2 years. The OP (Joseph) quickly realised he wasn't going to get an "explanation" and left. After 2 years and 586 posts of commentary on the subject I'd imagine that a smart dude like you would have come to the same conclusion as the OP. There are people here who belive in Past Lives and people here who don't. That's how it is, neither is going to change the others mind and the ONLY correct answer to the question, "How do you explain Last Lives?" is "You can't."

I'm not looking to change anyone's mind . Someone bumped this thread a day or two ago, it was the first time I have seen it, I read a couple of recent claims posted on that day and was trying to get clarification. If someone is claiming they know the truth, then I was hoping they would be kind enough to share this truth with me. It's really not that big of a deal, I just find it more interesting than banging on "The Magic Thetan"

 

[Panda Termint]

Lol, fair enough. I'll leave you to it.

 

[The Great Zorg]

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Some ppl actually believe they have memories of other lives. Now, I'm saying "Believe" because we know that this can be subjective. But I think that's more or less a nutshell explanation.

 

[Pepin]

I like this way of looking at it. What a wonderful metaphor! It goes along with my views almost completely.

The way I see it:
Each "avatar" is a viewpoint a person assumes, complete with role, etc. Yes, like living a life.

But your son never forgot he had a body and is a person outside the game. He just found the game more interesting and absorbing.

You assume as if you were there and know him.

Before graphical RPG's, we used text games on BBS's. I used to run a Major BBS and I was obsessed with winning.
My attention was in the game and for me to advance required timing and knowing the other players "avatars"

I could actually feel when a player was online and I would get up at 3am to enter the game. Yes, they were online and playing.

In that regard, it wasn't about forgetting my human body, I did however give it a lot of attention including my spiritual perceptions of the other players.

The difference between those games and the "game of life" is: We have lost sight of our spiritual selves. We give our attention to the bodies that to our "point of view" it has become more real that the real us.

If he found the game boring, unpleasant or stupid, he would leave it.

The suicide thread is at another place.

Like looking away from his video game to see what else is around. Like >waking up from it when his attention is elsewhere.

That's not what I did. This is before internet and I had to dial in with modems. I flew to Hawaii and had to get into the game. I dialed from Hawaii to discover an aggressor had conquered my planets while I was in flight.

I knew it! I could feel it! I dialed in long distance and discovered it was true.

fortunately, due to my demise in the game, I was able to relax and enjoy Maui.

And he would re-assume his bigger viewpoint, his full personality as you know him.

Big assumption. don't underestimate the obsessions of humans. Clearly on this board we have many demonstrations of how someone can be obsessed with being a body.

Our bigger viewpoint is always there. But we can only assume one viewpoint at a time.

A big assumption. Why do you suppose so many people in the world "FEEL" that there is more to life than what meets the eye?
If our bigger viewpoint was so clear, we would not have to "FEEL" it, we would see it and know it.

I have personally experienced having multiple viewpoints at once in life.

Are there other bigger viewpoints we have? Who knows? Does it matter?

It is good to know thyself!

Your son didn't bring a bunch of junk out of his video game back with him

Oh yes he did. He was obsessed with the game. He spent his real time
( real time= life), planning his next Avatar, buying and selling of items on ebay.

I suppose it is possible someone can go entirely on automatic, but even then - they still die. And in doing so, they wake up to the bigger viewpoint.

I am not sure if you are referring to Role games or life. Amazing how similar they are.

in the RPG, they simply make another life and continue from where they died and collect their stuff before it is lost.

In life, ...Only at Death, usually about three days afterwards, does someone finally wake up to their larger viewpoint. What a waste.

 

[Pepin]

I am not attack anyone's beliefs,

Then why do you constantly tell people what is true and what is not true??

I am asking for evidence of what people are considering to be a truth.

You don't offer any proof of your version of truth. You just push it louder and louder.

I will say it again, everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions, but they are not entitled to their facts.

Says you!

and if they are indeed truths then they need to be backed up evidence, not opinions.

Says you again. That is a huge assumption on your part that anybody has to prove or back anything up because YOU demand it.

The burden of prove is not on the person who is asking evidence proving the existence of Santa Claus, the burden of proof is on the person who is claiming Santa Claus exists.

Ah, so YOU are the Grinch who wants to steal Christmas from the kids.

You who wants to burden the world.
Their is no burden on anyone, not even you. You only assume their is a burden and push that BELIEF on everyone.

You seem to be very religious in YOUR beliefs, and always pushing it on others. AS IF IT WERE THE TRUTH

The same goes for everything else, and in this case not a single shred of proof has been presented regarding past lives.

Sure there is. But you will never acknowledge it.
It goes against the religion and TRUTH you seek to hold on to and push on others.



~p

 

[smartone]

What's always amazed me is how we can recall a past life when someone asks us a question and not automatically recall a past life when we're going about our normal business in life :confused2:

 

[The Great Zorg]

What's always amazed me is how we can recall a past life when someone asks us a question and not automatically recall a past life when we're going about our normal business in life :confused2:

I cannot automatically recall a past life. I do not know of anyone who can. I believe most of us speak from our experiences from hubbard's 'auditing'. The mechanism involved there is to say the least, controversial.

Up until one day ago I was still convinced that there was something to hubbard's auditing because up until then (this thread) no one had ever given me a logical explanation. Now I have one and I am determined to push it as far as I can, research wise.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Ah, so YOU are the Grinch who wants to steal Christmas from the kids.


~p

I didn't realize I was dealing with children here,

I thought I might actually get a little insight on this matter,

but as Panda Termint so kindly pointed out ... 'it ain't gonna happen',

I now know better than to ask questions such as these,

since the only thing that ever comes of it,

is a few dents in the wall and a very sore head.

 

[The Great Zorg]

Oh yeah?????

(snip)The burden of proof is not on the person who is asking evidence proving the existence of Santa Claus, the burden of proof is on the person who is claiming Santa Claus exists. The same goes for everything else, and in this case not a single shred of proof has been presented regarding past lives.

The burden of proof would lay with the person claiming to be Santa Claus, or his representative. Likewise, the burden of proof would lay with the person claiming he or she was so and so in another lifetime. When I have seen first hand attempts to prove a recalled past life from 'auditing' I witnessed the complete and total failure of scientology past life 'auditing' and hubbard's greedy and manipulating indoctrination.

Past life recall researched: 1
Gestapo style 'ethics handlings' for illegal past life research: 2
DOX (long lost) of no such person: 1
Failure of scientology 'tech': 100%
Resulting 'blow-offs': 2

 

[The Great Zorg]

Catch 22 1/2

I didn't realize I was dealing with children here,
I thought I might actually get a little insight on this matter,
but as Panda Termint so kindly pointed out ... 'it ain't gonna happen',
I now know better than to ask questions such as these,
since the only thing that ever comes of it,
is a few dents in the wall and a very sore head.

Are we not, with few exceptions, all in some state of recovery from indoctrination? :confused2:

If we were all* 100% confident in having dealt with our brain washing and are now very happy, productive and content, would we even be here to the degree that most of us are? :confused2:

*those of us who fell for the trap

 

[MrNobody]

Are we not, with few exceptions, all in some state of recovery from indoctrination? :confused2:

If we were all* 100% confident in having dealt with our brain washing and are now very happy, productive and content, would we even be here to the degree that most of us are? :confused2:

*those of us who fell for the trap

I'd say everybody is here for his/her/it's own individual reasons. Recovery is one of them. Preventing others from falling into the same trap might be another one. Some people might want to make up for the damage they once did. There are surely many more reasons, but these are probably the most common ones, IMHO.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Seems like a good plan but you haven't thought this through properly. Visiting all the addresses isn't good enough. You have to also factor in the time it takes to deliver each present/egg.

No whats needed here is a Time Machine, thereby, allowing Santa or the Easter Bunny to do the task at their leisure. Of course the controls of the craft would have to be made Bunny friendly for the Easter jaunt.

Warp Factor 10 isn't generally useful because it causes temporal evolutions on the occupants. Santa therefore gets progressively fatter and it explains why humanoid forms of the Easter Bunny have been sighted.

A TARDIS has been tried, but because each device isn't supposed to co-exist with itself, the multiple co-existences required to meet the Christmas specifications are a little too stressful on the Relative Dimensional Stabilizer.