How do you explain past lives?

[KnightVision]

tcha

You sound PTS to the Middle Class and with 'Other Fish To Fry' to boot!

But, entertaining

Zinj

Thanks, I appreciate your insight and humor.

I'm a bit of a combo of bright, sensitive and crazy mo' fo'....


OK, so maybe I'm exagerating on the bright part!

 

[KnightVision]

without wanting to be insulting (I'm not) it's almost like hearing Ronald Reagan go Zen

Not that hard a stretch.

Zinj

Sorry I don't mean to appear dense... but, could you oblige me and elaborate on that?

 

[Power Change]

This reminds me of a golden moment in my life; the day I decided that Scn., the Co$ and Hubbard were completly utterly full of sh*t!!

I was in my office working and this IAS reg. calls wanting a donation (AGAIN) and I told him "look, I'm busy with a project and I have expenses- I don't have any money to give you". He persists, asking me "What is the greatest purpose in your life?"... I said "right now it's succeeding with my business plans". He says "I'm going to be honest with you kV , you're wrong... The greatest... blah, blah, blah is clearing the planet... blah, blah, blah, let me read you something from LRH... blah, blah". NEEDLESS TO SAY, BY THIS TIME I'M PISSED... So I told him... "I'm going to be honest with you now, ASSHOLE- you are calling me at my office, where I am the boss; I'm really glad you were honest with me... cause I just realized something!! YOU think that your goals are so much more legitimate than mine that I should subjugate everything I want and do for your goals. You need to wake up buddy- I pay for services to learn things so that I can use to do better at life! That's the arrangement I agree to! So now that I know that the reason you call me, ask me for money, get your commission and so forth is because you're certain that although my goals are petty, if I GIVE YOU SOME MONEY- THEN YOU'LL THINK THAT MY PURPOSE IS GOOD ENOUGH!!!???. He's completely silent at this point, as the previously stated was delivered with sticky venom , so I continue "Just so that we have a clear understanding... until you put in writing, an apology to me and state that you clearly understand and agree with me that when you call and talk to ME, that my goals are paramount... and you will never ask me to give you money or listen to your jargon if it would in any way jeopardize my goals... Until you are willing to put that in writing and follow it as strict policy- YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE, DON'T F*CKING CALL AGAIN OR EVER ASK ME FOR MONEY!!... Is that clear?". He said he understood and hung up. Fortunately he never called again.

That day I realized that Scn./Co$/LRH was all about itself and had nothing to do with helping me be MOAR ME. I never returned.

That is awesome ! There were at least 3 moments with IAS reg's that I now wished you were in my head for.

 

[Power Change]

Nexus, the best feeling I ever had was when I realised that I didn't have to be responsable for somebody else. It wasn't a get fucked attitude or an irresponsible attitude it was merely a view that they had their life to live and I hope they did well and I'd be there if needed.

Hubbardian teachings make you be responsible for the setting of the sun. Just letting it be and just living is alright.

so true. And after reading this I don't think the 'not being responsible for everyone else' has totally left me yet.... and here I thought I was cured! Thanks Mary!

 

[gomorrhan]

What part of that could you be responsible for?

 

[KnightVision]

What part of that could you be responsible for?

 

[Pixie]

What part of that could you be responsible for?

 

[Power Change]

^^^^^This^^^^^ plus

 

[RolandRB]

Scientologists are convinced that they lived past lives and claim to even remember who they were and what they did, so what happens when people leave the Church (leave without joining freezone) do they continue to believe in past lives or do they believe they were brainwashed by the auditor?

I can understand how you would conclude that Scientology is false and that everything you were told was a lie, but how could you be so convinced that you lived before and even remember it, and then suddenly deny it?

I used to "remember" past lives when I was in. Even after I left I could "get back" amazing tiny details. But I had my doubts they were actual, even though they seemed very real. And I'll tell you what is missing. You'll get nothing inventive out of any of them. There was no scientific discoveries to give to the world through these "memories". Even if your "memories" of past lives were mundane, such as being a serving soldier, there was no card game or dice game to remember and market. Nothing. So although they might seem real, they are not real.

 

[KnightVision]

I used to "remember" past lives when I was in. Even after I left I could "get back" amazing tiny details. But I had my doubts they were actual, even though they seemed very real. And I'll tell you what is missing. You'll get nothing inventive out of any of them. There was no scientific discoveries to give to the world through these "memories". Even if your "memories" of past lives were mundane, such as being a serving soldier, there was no card game or dice game to remember and market. Nothing. So although they might seem real, they are not real.

Thats quite astute of you! It's like OT powers- where's the beef????


Ummm, let's see if we can't sell these guys a little piece of blue sky....

 

[a original angel]

I used to "remember" past lives when I was in. Even after I left I could "get back" amazing tiny details. But I had my doubts they were actual, even though they seemed very real. And I'll tell you what is missing. You'll get nothing inventive out of any of them. There was no scientific discoveries to give to the world through these "memories". Even if your "memories" of past lives were mundane, such as being a serving soldier, there was no card game or dice game to remember and market. Nothing. So although they might seem real, they are not real.

That in my opinion is the problem.
Many went looking for powers and miss the beef
I look at past lives in order to see my errors, not solved problems which can help me be at cause in my universe. regain control of my mind and understand how my mind work.
what I learn I apply it to my self not others.
Rom went for power he ended . very reactive. Lust want that which you cannot have. I.1 on the scale.
I go in to past lives in order to know my self better day by day I'm more comfortable.
So is it illusion or is it delusion?
it is irrelevant as long as it help the self me be more.

original angel

 

[spray]

past lives - Buddhists version

our brothers from the Buddhist community at the E-sangha forum are sometimes discussing about past lives too

look at this thread for example :

http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showtopic=71769&st=0

 

[Smitty]

I agree that past lives and reincarnation exist. That said:
My experience with past lives in scientology auditing is that I have found it often to be delusional. I could find no evidence that such a person uncovered in session existed when I investigated. I have encountered some past lives running Idenics, but after running out the identity, I have no interest in the life of that identity. Furthermore, I consider past identities, and thus past lives, to be interesting, but irrelevant.

Smitty

 

[Operating DB]

Scientologists are convinced that they lived past lives and claim to even remember who they were and what they did, so what happens when people leave the Church (leave without joining freezone) do they continue to believe in past lives or do they believe they were brainwashed by the auditor?

I can understand how you would conclude that Scientology is false and that everything you were told was a lie, but how could you be so convinced that you lived before and even remember it, and then suddenly deny it?

When it came time to go into past lives in auditing I had a resistance and difficult time in doing so. I felt that I ended up making it all up and in the end it did nothing for me. In fact, I felt slightly worse off like I was betraying my own belief system. Before scn I felt that we lived one life and that was it; nothing, nil, no existence. Then when I got in scn I was educated to believe I was a spiritual being separate from the mind and body. This was a new and interesting way of thinking for me and seemed to make sense for awhile. Now after years of exploring and living life I'm more likely to think back to my original thought that we live once and that's it. I now think that we have one and only one identity forever and our one life is a combination of soul, mind, body and our experiences in one life for one time for all eternity. Who really knows what really happens when we die. No one has ever had an answer and probably never will. So there! (raspberries!) So how do you live them apples?

 

[KnightVision]

If you take any set of circumstances and 'twist' them together with a few facts and lots of belief... you can 'create' anything you wish! Voila! Past lives... as many... as often... as you'd like. Just don't make the absurd statement that you can prove the existence of past lives; lest you find yourself brainwashing and thought reforming followers so that they'll never dare ask for proof... or anything logical of the sort....

 

[Operating DB]

If you take any set of circumstances and 'twist' them together with a few facts and lots of belief... you can 'create' anything you wish! Voila! Past lives... as many... as often... as you'd like. Just don't make the absurd statement that you can prove the existence of past lives; lest you find yourself brainwashing and thought reforming followers so that they'll never dare ask for proof... or anything logical of the sort....

What are you doing up so late anyway?

 

[HappyGirl]

What are you doing up so late anyway?

HAHAHAHA!!! I have wondered this about KV myself. Maybe he's an insomniac like me.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

When it came time to go into past lives in auditing I had a resistance and difficult time in doing so. I felt that I ended up making it all up and in the end it did nothing for me. In fact, I felt slightly worse off like I was betraying my own belief system. Before scn I felt that we lived one life and that was it; nothing, nil, no existence. Then when I got in scn I was educated to believe I was a spiritual being separate from the mind and body. This was a new and interesting way of thinking for me and seemed to make sense for awhile. Now after years of exploring and living life I'm more likely to think back to my original thought that we live once and that's it. I now think that we have one and only one identity forever and our one life is a combination of soul, mind, body and our experiences in one life for one time for all eternity. Who really knows what really happens when we die. No one has ever had an answer and probably never will. So there! (raspberries!) So how do you live them apples?

As a PC, I never went track. As an auditor I had two PCs go track WITHOUT PROVOCATION. I was just as surprised as the PC

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Right. I do see some posts every now and again which opine that pcs are pushed into going whole track by their auditors or by the processes. However, although this may be true of, say, OTIII, it isn't true of all processes or pcs. Here you mention pcs going whole track without any urging or prompting. I rest my (fluffy) case.

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

I know there is something more to this life but because I have yet to see anyone be able to prove who they were last life I doubt it.
Specially any Sea Org members. You'd think by now that there'd be at least one that could say who they were last lifetime. But that is not the case. At least since I was there. :confused2: