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How do you explain past lives?

Voltaire's Child

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I'll be just a little bit facetious here...

Here goes

Ummmm...with life in the SO as it generally is, would YOU want to come back?

I do think that on a "theta level" the being, reborn, would be thinking "Hell, I want some FUN in THIS life. No way I'm going NEAR that effing place."
 

Iknowtoomuch

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I'll be just a little bit facetious here...

Here goes

Ummmm...with life in the SO as it generally is, would YOU want to come back?

I do think that on a "theta level" the being, reborn, would be thinking "Hell, I want some FUN in THIS life. No way I'm going NEAR that effing place."


:lol:
No wonder Ron didn't want anyone to talk about their case. He didn't believe what he had written himself.:D
 

KnightVision

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If you take any set of circumstances and 'twist' them together with a few facts and lots of belief... you can 'create' anything you wish! Voila! Past lives... as many... as often... as you'd like. Just don't make the absurd statement that you can prove the existence of past lives; lest you find yourself brainwashing and thought reforming followers so that they'll never dare ask for proof... or anything logical of the sort....

What are you doing up so late anyway?

HAHAHAHA!!! I have wondered this about KV myself. Maybe he's an insomniac like me.

Glad you asked!! It's easy... I'm a time traveler and as such I have all my 'lives' and 'selves' available to me 24/7. Consider me as my own private army of unlimited beings, times and places.... and yes... a BIT'O 'SPACE' OPERA too... :p
 
Scientologists are convinced that they lived past lives and claim to even remember who they were and what they did, so what happens when people leave the Church (leave without joining freezone) do they continue to believe in past lives or do they believe they were brainwashed by the auditor?

I can understand how you would conclude that Scientology is false and that everything you were told was a lie, but how could you be so convinced that you lived before and even remember it, and then suddenly deny it?


A. First point: it's not just scientologists who have such considerations concerning past lives. They are quite common in a variety of cultures & spiritual practices. Many similar spiritual techniques exist in a variety of practices which cause individuals to consider the prospect of prior existences as quite likely.

B. Other spiritual possibilities exist which can be used to explain the phenomena which are experienced as past life recall. As an example: "tapping into Akashic Records". What those "records" are, or to "whom" they may belong are both subject to variant interpretations. Most such explanations are far more complex to relate or more difficult to "test" than is the basic idea of reincarnation. So reincarnation tends to dominate as per "Occam's Razor". :coolwink:

C. Strictly speaking "past lives" are not taught by scientology, nor are they necessary to "explain" the process of running out charge associated with case phenomena. You are free to believe in any particular explanation or not as you may wish. What matters in session is locating charge & running it out. Because of the simplicity of the "past life" concept and it's readiness in providing a framework for understanding prior to this life time case phenomena it is an explanation that scientologists & others frequently adopt, but it isn't absolutely necessary.

D. One aspect of case changes due to auditing is that an individual will often experience a "re-calibration" of his "stable data" after he has experienced a change in his viewpoint resulting from some particularly significant insight obtained through an auditing session, study, or personal meditation. From a spiritual perspective, one can argue, that the "rocking" of "stable data" is innately valuable and a sign of "spiritual growth". This needn't be confined to practicing scientologists. :coolwink:

E. Even Buddhists argue whether or not "reincarnation" actually takes place. :)


Mark A. Baker
 

HappyGirl

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Glad you asked!! It's easy... I'm a time traveler and as such I have all my 'lives' and 'selves' available to me 24/7. Consider me as my own private army of unlimited beings, times and places.... and yes... a BIT'O 'SPACE' OPERA too... :p
That's the ticket. I'm a time traveler, not an insomniac!! :thumbsup:
 
Oh, I actually think he did, but like any murdering, mistress taking, fund appropriating medieval pope, he chose to ignore the consequences of his own actions.


That's a LIE!

Medieval popes granted themselves absolution so there would be no adverse consequences to their actions. One of the key perks of "doing god's work". :thumbsup:


Mark A. Baker :coolwink:
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
That's a LIE!

Medieval popes granted themselves absolution so there would be no adverse consequences to their actions. One of the key perks of "doing god's work". :thumbsup:


Mark A. Baker :coolwink:


Ah...but deeep down inside, really really really DEEP...they knew that raping nuns wasn't REALLY very nice...
 
Are you joking? Please tell me you are kidding me.
(Would you like some quotes?)


No joke. The thing to remember is that it is fundamentally inappropriate to evaluate for another and that it is perfectly acceptable to run "past life incidents" as wholly imaginary. The fact that Hubbard & most scientologists accept(ed) them as real is incidental to how they occur in the theory associated with scientology auditing.

The "past lives" references within the scientology material are substantial. There is certainly a bias towards accepting "past lives" as real. However, they certainly are not essential to an understanding of the process of auditing.


Mark A. Baker
 

Neo

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No joke. The thing to remember is that it is fundamentally inappropriate to evaluate for another and that it is perfectly acceptable to run "past life incidents" as wholly imaginary. The fact that Hubbard & most scientologists accept(ed) them as real is incidental to how they occur in the theory associated with scientology auditing.

The "past lives" references within the scientology material are substantial. There is certainly a bias towards accepting "past lives" as real. However, they certainly are not essential to an understanding of the process of auditing.


Mark A. Baker

So past lives are not necessarily considered real in Scientology despite all the references? What else in Scientology is not real? If you are auditing a past life, and they are not real, then what are you auditing? Don't you want to know? Scientology is the science of knowing how to know, isn't it?

Past lives, BTs, Reactive Mind, Creed of a Scientologist - is any of this real?

Neo
 

gomorrhan

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Of course Scientology talks about past lives as though they were real, and practically, there aren't any scientologists who don't believe in past lives unless they haven't been introduced to the idea (which probably means they've been a "scientologist" for about five minutes).
 

uncle sam

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Hello Kevin

I think past lives are fantasies created in present time, almost like dreams, trying to come up with symbolic representations that would explain a current attitude.

I think if both people are aware that it isn't about what is real, it's about chasing down a feeling to the place where you are generating it in your mind. That place probably has nothing to do with reality, and as you confront that, it can help to realize where you really are, and how you deviate from confronting reality, and hopefully change that.

I just happen to agree with your post regarding "past lives"-well said.
 
Of course Scientology talks about past lives as though they were real, and practically, there aren't any scientologists who don't believe in past lives unless they haven't been introduced to the idea (which probably means they've been a "scientologist" for about five minutes).


I know a few who acknowledge other possibilities. Past lives, however, are more readily understood & accepted.


Mark A. Baker
 
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