How I got my IAS refund

Happy Days

Silver Meritorious Patron
Has anybody asked the IAS for a statement? And did they send you one? I don't know how much I paid for my & husband's lifetime memberships. It was a very long time ago. I think I may even be a "sponsor" (is that an IAS level?), because I remember having some kind of "sponsor" pin that I threw away. I don't even know my status! Do they have a local phone number, or we can only write to them?

Yes, I requested a full breakdown back in June 09 and received a copy by email within a couple of days from the IAS listing our contributions. Of course I had made the request before we publicly announced our departure.

However, as a member you do have a right to request this information, whether this Church recognises your rights or not is another issue.

Here is the email address I sent my request to:

[email protected]
 

MrNobody

Who needs merits?
Sure, that would be great.

TP

Yes, and it would be another PITA for the "church", and an expensive one. :D All it would take is one or more very dedicated ex(es), a good lawyer and 1/4 century of time. :omg: As my simple sample calculation shows, within 10 years, the interests pile up to almost 1/4 of the original amount of money at the meager interest rate of 2% that I used in that calculation. However, I fully understand why Kathy (I'mOut) said in her money thread recently, that it isn't worth it and that it's more important to get your life back.
 

apple

Patron Meritorious
Yes, interest payed on the amount donated would be good. Then, Scn. is not a bank and there was no agreement to pay interest on the amount deposited. So the money donated was used and maybe Scn. collected the interest for itself when it put it in the bank for itself. What we got was a service payed for and locked in at that price.
 

MrNobody

Who needs merits?
Yes, interest payed on the amount donated would be good. Then, Scn. is not a bank and there was no agreement to pay interest on the amount deposited. So the money donated was used and maybe Scn. collected the interest for itself when it put it in the bank for itself. What we got was a service payed for and locked in at that price.

Ah , there is the trap! Well, donations might be a completely different animal, from a legal point of view. Someone with a much better knowledge and understanding of the laws than I have, would have to look into that.

Thanks for making me aware of that.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
http://exscnforum.com/index.php/some-govt-registration-data-t48.html

http://exscnforum.com/index.php/some-govt-registration-data-t48.html

Posted 11 September 2009 - 08:40 PM

The IAS goes under different names depending upon the agency or location; In CA, the name is IAS Administrations, Inc. The IRS pub 78 lists it as " US I. A. S. Members Trust in Los Angeles CA USA " Currently it's charitable registry is pending with the state of CA. Hopefully they are being audited. lol You can see that and other info on the IAS entities, below.

In FL, it is registere as FOUNDATION INT'L MEMBERSHIP SVCS ADMINISTRATIONS
dba IAS ADMINISTRATIONS CLEARWATER BRANCH OFFICE

xenu-directory.net has data on the IAS as "Foundation International Membership Services Administrations, Inc."

http://www.xenu-dire...istrations.html
http://www.xenu-dire...ons.pdf#page=10
http://www.xenu-dire...istrations.html
"Foundation International Membership Services Administrations, Inc."
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IRS pub 78 " US I. A. S. Members Trust Los Angeles CA USA -- A public charity with a 50% deductibility limitation.
US I. A. S. Members Trust not listed at CA AJ http://ag.ca.gov/cha...s/statutes.php+
__________
Corporation
FOUNDATION INTERNATIONAL MEMBERSHIP SERVICES ADMINISTRATIONS
Number: C1967046 Date Filed: 4/23/1996 Status: surrender
Jurisdiction: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES
Address
VAN ENGELENWEG 21A
BOX 3335
CURACAO, NETHERLANDS
Agent for Service of Process
SHERMAN LENSKE
6300 CANOGA AVE STE 315
WOODLAND HILLS, CA 90027
The information displayed here is current as of "SEP 04, 2009" and is updated weekly. It is not a complete or certified record of the Corporation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.google.co...G=Google+Search

Florida:
http://www.sunbiz.org/pdf/CH001255.pdf
http://www.sunbiz.org/pdf/10902951.pdf
FOUNDATION INTERNATIONAL MEMBERSHIP SERVICES ADMINISTRATIONS

Summary

Address
FOUNDATION INTERNATIONAL MEMBERSHIP SERVICES ADMINISTRATIONS
210 S FORT HARRISON AVE
CLEARWATER, FL 33756-5109

Financial Snapshot
Revenue: $0
Assets: $0

Codes
EIN: 980136014
NTEE: -
ERI NTEE: Y99 - MUTUAL/MEMBERSHIP BENEFIT ORGANIZATIONS, OTHER N.E.C.
Group Exemption Number: 0000
SubSection: 03 - Charitable Organizations
Affiliate: 3 - Independent - This code is used if the organization is an independent organization or an independent auxiliary (i.e., not affiliated with a National, Regional, or Geographic grouping of organizations).
Classification: 1 - Corporation
Deductibility: 2 - Contributions are not deductible.
Foundation: 17 - Organizations operated solely for the benefit of and in conjunction with organizations described in 10 through 16 above.
Filing Requirement: 130 -
Activity Code(s): 004 - Religious Activities
927 - Other Purposes and Activities
000 -

Fictitious Name Detail
Fictitious Name
IAS ADMINISTRATIONS CLEARWATER BRANCH OFFICE

Filing Information
Document Number G97044000264
Status ACTIVE
Filed Date 02/13/1997
Expiration Date 12/31/2012
Current Owners 1
County PINELLAS
Total Pages 3
Events Filed 2
FEI Number 98-0136014

Mailing Address
P.O. BOX 1230
CLEARWATER, FL 33757
Owner Information
FOUNDATION INT'L MEMBERSHIP SVCS ADMINISTRATIONS
VAN ENGELENWEG 21A
CURACAO-NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, FL
FEI Number: 98-0136014
Document Number: F96000001900

http://www.sunbiz.or...um=G03255900204
http://www.sunbiz.org/pdf/80644104.pdf
http://www.sunbiz.org/pdf/356012D2.pdf
http://www.sunbiz.org/pdf/479011C2.pdf

California: The Attorney General’s Registry of Charitable Trusts is pleased to announce its new online search feature. The new search feature allows you to search for information on charities, charity fundraising professionals, and raffle registrants that are registered with the Registry. It also allows you to view some basic information regarding charities that either are not currently registered with our office or are exempt from registration and reporting to the Registry.

Registrant Information

Full Name: IAS ADMINISTRATIONS, INC. FEIN:
Type: 0 Corporate or Organization Number: 3088075

RCT Registraton No:
Record Type: Charity Registration Type: Charity Registration
Issue Date: Expiration Date:
Registration Status: Pending Date This Status: 3/4/2008
Date of Last Renewal:

Address Information

Address Line 1: 1311 N NEW HAMPSHIRE AVE Phone:
Address Line 2:
Address Line 3:
Address Line 4: LOS ANGELES CA 90027
Annual Renewal Information
No Related Documents
http://rct.doj.ca.go...nse_id=1359712&

The information displayed here is current as of "SEP 04, 2009" and is updated weekly. It is not a complete or certified record of the Corporation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Corporation
IAS ADMINISTRATIONS, INC.
Number: C3088075 Date Filed: 8/27/2007 Status: active
Jurisdiction: DELAWARE
Address
1311 N NEW HAMPSHIRE AVE
LOS ANGELES, CA 90027
Agent for Service of Process
SHERMAN LENSKE
6400 CANOGA AVE STE 315
WOODLAND HILLS, CA 90027


To check a charity:
http://rct.doj.ca.go...aspx?facility=Y


■The Attorney General also offers guidance to help Californians make important personal decisions on charitable giving. These resources include the Guide to Charitable Giving for Donors, pdf and searchable databases to learn about specific charities and charitable fundraising professionals in the state. Among the databases are Registry Search, for registrants generally, and CFR Search, which provides information and documents regarding commercial fundraisers for charitable purposes. For help using and interpreting the results from Registry Search, please review Registry Search Feature – What do the codes mean?
Charity Research ToolA searchable database of the information returns that charities file annually with the IRS (Forms 990, 990-PF, and 990-EZ) is available on the Attorney General’s website.

Form 990 Library http://ag.ca.gov/cha...ocation:Default
 

AnonKat

Crusader
Epic necromancy is epic

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All right. Here is how I got my money back from the IAS (International Association of Scientologists). I got the check for $5,350 last Saturday, Nov. 1st, 2008. Doesn’t get much more recent than that. This included annual and lifetime memberships going back to the 80’s. No, I didn’t ask for interest – didn’t want to push my luck!

As you’ll see, I had a pretty good ace card to play with them – the saga of my then wife, in my opinion; going, being and staying insane at the hands of arrogant Scientologists and Sea Org members; particularly OSA (that's another story for another day). I’m not sure if I needed it or not to get my money back. I know someone else around 2003 that got their donations back saying basically that the money wasn’t used for what they were told, etc.

I used the basic format from my Flag repayment and Dallas Org repayment/refund (that will be a separate thread later). Also, I googled Greg and Deb Barnes and found the letters that they sent – they got back $40,000 several years ago. :thumbsup:

Why the IAS gave me back the money, I don’t really know. I’m not sure what part or parts compelled them to "refund" (return actually) my donations. It took them about a month to reply to me. I sent it to their L.A. office (address in the letter in the next post below) and also sent a copy to the IAS in England. Thier letter back to me said the IAS in UK but the letter was postmarked from Los Angeles, CA. Once I sent the signed waiver back (to their address in LA), they sent me the check within about a week. As far as all the other people I CC’d in the letter, including my attorney, pick whoever you think is appropriate - the more the merrier! As far as actually sending them copies, that’s up to you. :coolwink:

As far as signing the Release and Waiver, there could be some implications for you. I don't know if they'd give you your money back without it. Good luck with that. Keep in mind that the IAS would be one of the entities that could possibly be sued if it indeed can be proven that the Freewinds exposed and caused people to get cancer from asbestos exposure. I do not know if this is the case or if it could be proven. Signing the waiver might prevent you from suing them down the road. I really don't know if their waiver is legal or not. BTW, they did not request that I have the waiver notarized.

The next three posts will be as follows: 1) My letter to them. 2) Their reply and 3) The Release and Waiver they sent. I don't have a scanner so I retyped their letters so the format is not exact but the wording is the same. I removed the name of some of the Scientologists that were involved - some of them were probably actually trying to help at the time.

GOOD LUCK ON GETTING YOUR REFUND FROM THE IAS!!!!

Any questions, please reply on this thread. Hopefully, myself or someone else will know the answer. You can PM me instead if you wish.

Without further ado, here is how I got my refund from the IAS...

go here http://www.carolineletkeman.org/

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/ias-scientology-refund.59288/

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/refund-demand-ias.htm

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/refund-finally.htm

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=8526

Thanks so much everyone for your replies. To the message sent asking to meet I have replied "no not interested". That was down to you guys so big thanks.

Didn't get a reply for 9 hours then recieved a message saying "ok would you prefer to continue having the upset you have with what or who"? mmmmmm don't think they mean giving me the £££££££ I am in debt for back some how do you!!!!!

Shall I just ignore now as it doesn't seem to matter how many times I try to say I am not interested they don't want to listen. The thing is when I ignore they turn up at the door.

Loved the idea of a video camera I do have one so can use that if they show at the door I don't think they would stick round long when I mention filming for Youtube!!
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
Very very pleasing to see this thread !

It is so good to see good people hounding the IAS about the misdeeds of the IAS.

Get YOUR money back !

Those bastards have gotten away from fraud for far too long !

Bust the IAS !

Wish this thread get tacked to the top of page one !
 

ThetanExterior

Gold Meritorious Patron
I'm bumping this thread for two reasons. Firstly because I think it's important and secondly to add my input.

I got all of my IAS donations refunded about 10 years ago. I think it was about $50,000.

My first letter to them got the standard reply about donations being non-refundable. Then I sent a second letter with a list of complaints which mainly attacked their stated purpose: "To unite, advance, support and protect the Scientology religion and Scientologists in all parts of the world, so as to achieve the aims of Scientology as originated by L. Ron Hubbard."

Within a few days I received my check. It was easier than I thought.
 
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