How I got My Money back from Scientology

[Magoo]

People call me often (or ask on-line) how I got my money back.

Someone asked me recently----in another thread, but since I think it's an
important one....here ya go.

First off, I didn't get ALL of my money back, by any means.
I got back what I had "on account"------plus my IAS money.

IAS was first.

I wrote to them and told them they had NOT delivered the products they had promised for IAS and I wanted my membership money back.
They sent a waiver I had to sign.
I indicated on it, this didn't absolve ALL of C of S, just the IAS.
They sent my money, and I cashed it RIGHT AWAY.

Next? ASHO: I had paid for my Briefing Course years ago----
and had that money on account, all those years, dreaming of doing
The Briefing Course. I did get trained as a Class 4, HSSC, FPRD auditor.
I never did the BC, as by the time I was ready---The Golden Age
of CRAP came out. I knew that was it for me.

By then I was a "Declared SP" by C of S, so my only terminal
was the IJC.
I spent from Jan----June trying to contact the IJC, never once hearing
from he or she.

Ok, finally I joined Pre-Paid Legal (a legal service you can join on-line,
get help and then quit. It only costs $20-30/mo and you DO have access
to tons of excellent attorneys.

I spent quite a bit of time writing up what was money spent (services used)
vs. Money on account (Like a savings account) and that under NO uncertain
terms could they weasel out of that.

They wrote the letter to ASHO. Within 24 hours, OSA called, telling me:
"We have your check, you just need to sign a waiver".

I called my attorney, who said, "yes, whenever you get money back,
you have to sign a waiver".

So I said, "Fax it to me".
She did---and it was this gross "I promise NEVER to talk on the net,
do this, do that---many of my freedoms stopped". I called
My attorney---she said I had to sign in.

I told her: "You've never seen a waiver like this"
She: "Fax it to me"

I did----------she called me, furious. She said:
"I want you to call them and tell them NOT only did your attorney
tell you NOT to sign that---it's an illegal waiver".

So I did--------telling Pam Shannon I'd merely sign a waive that I
won't sue ASHO. PERIOD.

We agreed to meet, the next day.
We met at a local restaurant, and I brought a witness.

I sat down with she and some attorney.
He got out the "Waiver".
It was the same Crap ass'd one I'd just said I wouldn't sign.

Pam gave this super 1.1 smile and said: "I thought you'd say that.
Here's the other one". And it was the one as I'd agreed.

I got my check, and immediately brought it down town to their bank
to cash.

Oddly enough, the TELLER there got out white gloves, put them on,
took the signed check, put it in an envelope---and THEN
gave me my cash.

HOW WEIRD IS THAT??????????

I say to ANYONE: ***IF*** you have ANY money on account----GET IT.

There is TONS of money on account, and that IS your money.

I hope that helps some.

Tory/Magoo

 

[byte301]

Tory,

Glad you got some of your money back!

The bank teller thing is strange. Like she didn't want to get any other fingerprints on it maybe? That is really interesting.

 

[nexus100]

The teller probably figured the check was covered in anthrax.

 

[byte301]

The teller probably figured the check was covered in anthrax.

Could be. lol Just makes you wonder why she would do that and be so blatant about it. I would have asked if she thought I had cooties or did DM instruct them to follow that very weird procedure.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I think you got IAS money back, too, right? I thought you mentioned that once on a.r.s. If you did, could you mention that? A couple people were asking about doing that.

 

[Magoo]

First off, I didn't get ALL of my money back, by any means.
I got back what I had "on account"------plus my IAS money.

IAS was first.

It's in there, Fluffy. Check above, again.

One thing to note, re I.A.S. is that when I asked for it back, from what I've heard...it was a bit of a timing thing----where they were just firing out checks.
Then, from what I've heard, it backed up and they stopped giving it.

I'd say push on it-------as they DIDN'T deliver what they promised. Much of the money we all gave to "help mankind" was used by C of S to pay off people TONS of money, as well as legal funds. I say get it!

More and more people I've talked to have had success, over the years.

Give it a try---------and again--------and again. GET IT...it's yours.

And good luck! nthephone: >>>>>to>>>

Tory/Magoo~~

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Cool. Anyone who wants to get their money back from the IAS, pls have a look. I hope you can get it.

 

[Magoo]

Just makes you wonder why she would do that and be so blatant about it. I would have asked if she thought I had cooties or did DM instruct them to follow that very weird procedure.

I did---------

First off, it was a man, and it FELT like he worked for C of S.

I could tell he'd been instructed to do this, and my guess is it was their attempt to introvert me, scare me, remind me of Paulette Cooper and their infamous attempt to put her in prison by way of using her own fingerprints---to write
a phony bomb threat to the gov't. I certainly thought of it----believe me, I did. However, thankfully, the Net was out--and their days of true terror
are O V E R. ((AND OSA? SCREW YOU IF YOU EVEN TRY ANYTHING RE MY HOME, MEST, or self.
THE FBI CANNOT WAIT___AS WELL AS MEDIA AROUND THE WORLD,
so don't say I didn't warn you). Religion? MY ASS!

She went through HELL re that---and thank whomever all helped, God AND the F.B.I the Guardian's office was
busted, they found "Operation Freakout", and 11 Scientologists went to
JAIL, including Mary Sue Hubbard, FTR for any new people who may be lurking. (Google it---the story is on the net).

Thank GOD and the NET and many helpful critics, and X-Scios, including you all,
I'm out of there, free and have fun people to chat with!

Tory/Magoo~~

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

+Eleventybillion on getting your money back. Sucking them dry is a great thing right now.

 

[Magoo]

Thanks!

T

 

[tookmeawhile]

Hi Tory,

I've never "etalked" with you but I've seen your videos and pictures at protests. You're very much an inspiration and really appreciate all of your comm.

It's funny you wrote this thread and mentioned the IAS. I have already gotten repayment from Flag and my local Org. Last thing is lifetime membership from the IAS. Just a small question/verification. Would you (or anyone) happen to know if this is the correct address to write them to? I live in the U.S.A. I have searched for another address on the internet and can't find one. I haven't gotten their mag, IMPACT, for years. Kind of think that's another outpoint, amongst others, too.

INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SCIENTOLOGISTS
c/o Saint Hill Manor
East Grinstead
West Sussex, England
RH19 4JY

 

[Magoo]

Tookmeawhile........

HI

That wasn't where I wrote to---I think I just wrote to IAS via the Los Angeles
office, with a CC to OSA, Int (and DM/RTC) that IF they didn't pay me back, I was
going to charge interest-----for EVERY SINGLE YEAR THEY HAD MY MONEY.
Since I'd been a LIFETIME Member since 1970 I think (*H.A.S.I.) and then later LIFETIME, etc. since it was re-created---that adds up!

I think that's part of the link I've forgotten to tell people. I just remembered
that key point!

Nice to e-chat with you!!

My best

Tory/Magoo~~

 

[byte301]

I did---------

First off, it was a man, and it FELT like he worked for C of S.

I could tell he'd been instructed to do this, and my guess is it was their attempt to introvert me, scare me, remind me of Paulette Cooper and their infamous attempt to put her in prison by way of using her own fingerprints---to write
a phony bomb threat to the gov't. I certainly thought of it----believe me, I did. However, thankfully, the Net was out--and their days of true terror
are O V E R. ((AND OSA? SCREW YOU IF YOU EVEN TRY ANYTHING RE MY HOME, MEST, or self.
THE FBI CANNOT WAIT___AS WELL AS MEDIA AROUND THE WORLD,
so don't say I didn't warn you). Religion? MY ASS!

She went through HELL re that---and thank whomever all helped, God AND the F.B.I the Guardian's office was
busted, they found "Operation Freakout", and 11 Scientologists went to
JAIL, including Mary Sue Hubbard, FTR for any new people who may be lurking. (Google it---the story is on the net).

Thank GOD and the NET and many helpful critics, and X-Scios, including you all,
I'm out of there, free and have fun people to chat with!

Tory/Magoo~~

Never even thought of that Tory. It could have been like the Paulette Cooper thing. Wild. Evil stuff.

Glad they didn't try that with you!

 

[byte301]

I read somewhere that if you got a lawyer they were more likely to get you the re-fund faster. So Tory did it right.

Also some website I went to about refunds said you don't have to sign any waiver at all legally. It would seem all you would have to sign is a statement saying you received all your money. (This was a website by some guy in Europe who had helped a lot of people get their refunds.) When you get your money back at a store when you return something you sure don't have to sign a stupid waiver.

I wonder how legal it is really?

 

[Magoo]

My attorney said: "It's standard procedure when you get money back
from an organization, to sign some form of waiver". (Of course it ISN'T
Scientology's stopping of free speech "Waiver"---but more like
what you're saying: You were paid, it's over.

(And re Scientology...........at least for THAT ORG. I took it place by place...
and that worked). Hi OSA

Tory/Magoo! (your local, friendly, SP)

 

[Feral]

Thanks so much Tory.

Your guidance is invaluable.

Money going to the cof$ is easy and fast.

Money coming out from the cof$ is very hard and slow.

There is so much implied threat, special conditions and duress implied. As well as all the hoops to jump through. They are truly the most self serving and impossible business...oops I mean "church" in the world.

It is very oddly nerve wracking to apply for any payment at all from them, I am grateful for the time you took to write this

 

[Dulloldfart]

I did---------

First off, it was a man, and it FELT like he worked for C of S.

Hmmm. I wonder how the bank manager or Head Office would feel about it if a customer complained about the treatment. Because it does sound like a deliberate introversion tactic, and I can't think of any legitimate bank reason for doing such a thing.

Paul

 

[Kathy (ImOut)]

Tory,

Thank you so MUCH for posting this. I've sent the link to my husband, since it's his money with the IAS (gave them $$$ long before I knew him).

We were successful in getting our money on account back from all the various orgs we had had service at.

And that is one of my "stats" - how many people have I helped to get their money back. I think the number is at 4. But the $$$ amount is huge - over $200K.

Thank you, Tory.

 

[Pitbull]

This was an issue that I obnoxiously brought up earlier, with no reply.

Since each case is different, its important to understand the facts on the ground.
We all know the church will delay like hell when it comes to the return of money.
But we also know they have returned cash not only "on account" but
spent on services.

Not to be rude. And lord knows, I'm NEVER, rude, but when you forked
over money to the Church for your account, was it from a personal
account of yours? Or was it a joint account or paid for by your loving hubby?

This just brings the question. Does the church needs to get permission from "both" parties in order to even consider the return of such funds?

 

[Dulloldfart]

This just brings the question. Does the church needs to get permission from "both" parties in order to even consider the return of such funds?

Unless they changed it, there are no "joint" advance payment accounts in the CofS. If it is Joe's account, and Joe is an adult, then Joe has total control over it, whatever the source of the funds.

Having said that, if Sugar Daddy is the obvious source of the funds, he would probably be consulted, but if push came to shove in legal terms, I don't know the actual legal position. I would think that the account would by default belong to the person whose name it was in, but like gifts given to a person on the understanding that marriage would occur, if some underlying agreement between the parties is broken then it could be grounds for a suit or arbitration.

Paul