How is it that scientologist keep denying....

[Churchill]

Scientologists are conditioned to elevate their subjective reality and truth above objective reality and truth.

By stating Reality is agreement,and then surrounding the person with others who are all in complete agreement, the delusions that comprise the body of Scientology are able to eventually assume a dominant status in Scientologists minds.

Further, Scientology uses "ethics" to censor, or block any information that runs counter to Scientology belief.

It it is a very serious "ethics offense" for a Scientologist to even look on the Internet at material that is critical or negative, including newspaper, magazines or books.

This becomes so ingrained, that most Scientologists practice "self-censorship", a mental "invisible fence" which sets the boundaries of allowable, or permitted information.

It is self-evident that a mark of totalitarian organizations would be found in their desire to limit or prevent access to information conduits, such as the Internet.

Curiously, the terrorist group Al Shabaab, in Somalia has decreed that the Internet be banned in Somalia, and doubtless, plans to enforce this edict with the savage violence the group is known for.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/09/al-Shabab-ban-internet-somalia_n_4567534.html?utm_hp_ref=world

Worldwide, Scientology has also repeatedly attempted to simultaneously, censor negative, but factual information from the Internet, using "lawfare" and criminal harassment as tools of repression, and at the same time, make use themselves of the Internet in an attempt to attract new followers.

All empirical evidence suggests that this disastrous policy has resulted in an enormous contraction of the cult's membership, and that yet more draconian measures will be used by the cult to shore up the crumbling wall of separation between "Church and Truth"

Scientology is in a perpetual state of war with objective truth.

 

[at3ist]

Yeah, hubbard cleaverly and evilly made " what you think is true, is the real true" into " I tell you whats true or not"

 

[Gib]

I also must admit that I did the best in my business when I was in Scientology (just being honest). So I contributed my all of my success to Scientology. So at that time I would never have listened to anything you said to me. Why should I? You want to take away from the very thing that I think is helping me.

I think the real reason that I did well when I was in Scientology was that it turned me into a single minded robot. Scientology does teach you to WORK. AND WORK I DID. All I thought about was Scientology and my business and it kept me really focused. I think being connected to any group can do this.

I'm on the same page with you Reasonable.

The scientology bridge in essence gives everybody a goal to attain. That would be each so called "EP" of every "Grade" on the "Brdige". Including the "OT" levels.

And each "Grade" gives one delusions of grandeur as Deena pointed out above, and as you point out, the grades EP are over-hyped

So as a person works & works to make more money to go up the Bridge, chasing those "wins"

why I too realized I'm making more money, but yet at the same time I'm not saving any money as it's all going towards the next Bridge action to do. And then add in the Hard Sell for donating to the IAS and the other front groups,

why I realized I was constantly chasing a carrot on a stick.

If one is like Bob Duggan or some rich celebrity, why money ain't the problem. But the Church advertising and PRing these folks as successful appliers of scientology, why a person can think he too can be like these celebrity's and whales.

But the small business owner, the working stiff person, is indeed chasing a carrot on a stick - goals and/or EP's to had, and glorified "states of awarness".

Presently I know a few OT7's spending $20-30k per year doing their OT7, and they are making good money, but they are spending it all on the auditing and other donations. These folks are middle aged.

And when a person does the entire Bridge that is available now, up to OT8, guess what, there is nothing left. Hubbard never did OT9 and above. So all these folks going up the Bridge are doing so for nothing, as there are no OT levels above OT8.

Marty explains it here:

"Pat Broeker used the threat of never turning over the alleged OT 9 and OT 10 in an effort to get Miscavige to allow him to exercise control in Scientology Inc. I was a part of three separate forcible search-and-seizures Miscavige directed in order to get at the alleged OT 9 and 10 at Broeker hideouts. Each time we came up empty-handed, and finally concluded there were no such things. This was validated by the senior technical officer of Scientology since L Ron Hubbard’s death, one Ray Mithoff. Mithoff audited Hubbard during his final week of life. Mithoff acknowledged in my presence that Hubbard had nothing intelligible to say about any levels that might exist above OT 8, let alone gave any indication that anything had been written up about them."

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/transcend/

And I clearly see why DM is not so much changing the tech, but he is pushing people downwards on the "Bridge to Total Freedom" to retrain and re-do auditing actions all under the guise of "lost tech", or found missing pieces of tech,

all because there are no OT levels above OT8. DM has no choice, and that is how he is keeping the scam working, or "Keeping Scientology Working".

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

Good post Gib, and yep, it is like riding a perverted/insane merry-go-round, always grabbing for the gold ring (which turns out to be tarnished brass anyways), with a few minor (?) exceptons, like when ya want to get off.... *thinkin' back to childhood* we got off the 'real' ones alive and our brains intact, an' no bullies trying to throw us back on it.



Promises of salvation has been the bread and butter of many a scammer, and in this respect ol' Mother Hubbard was pretty smert, having spread his delusions into something that goes on-and-on until *plop*... you are incapable, and ya know what the old windbag said about folks who are incapable, basically 'Get thee deaded and go away!'

My wee returning 0.02$ worthlessness

 

[Gib]

Good post Gib, and yep, it is like riding a perverted/insane merry-go-round, always grabbing for the gold ring (which turns out to be tarnished brass anyways), with a few minor (?) exceptons, like when ya want to get off.... *thinkin' back to childhood* we got off the 'real' ones alive and our brains intact, an' no bullies trying to throw us back on it.



Promises of salvation has been the bread and butter of many a scammer, and in this respect ol' Mother Hubbard was pretty smert, having spread his delusions into something that goes on-and-on until *plop*... you are incapable, and ya know what the old windbag said about folks who are incapable, basically 'Get thee deaded and go away!'

My wee returning 0.02$ worthlessness

yep, hubbard even said in zero to infinity being a circle. LOL

 

[Wants2Talk]

That hubbard was a degenerate a**hole that only used his cult for personal benefict, how are they able to not see it. Especially how did you guy did it when you were members?

Because they want to believe. "What is true for you" puts them at cause. Accepting an undesired fact as true puts them at effect.

 

[Panda Termint]

I don't consider my years in scientology as wasted time. I learned some stuff, I changed my mind about a lot of things, I met some great people who remain my friends to this day... it was the path I took and I doubt that I'm ever gonna regret having trod that path.

 

[Lone Star]

I don't consider my years in scientology as wasted time. I learned some stuff, I changed my mind about a lot of things, I met some great people who remain my friends to this day... it was the path I took and I doubt that I'm ever gonna regret having trod that path.

N-N-N-N-N-N-N-N-N-No-Not-Not-......

Hmmmmm....I can't quite seem to get the word out this time for some reason. :confused2:

Noted

 

[Commander Birdsong]

That hubbard was a degenerate a**hole that only used his cult for personal benefict, how are they able to not see it. Especially how did you guy did it when you were members?

i never bought in to the "mankind's greatest friend" thing. in fact i spent two days at the library going over everything i could find and i knew much of the case against ron before i even started

and i'm not now going to buy in to the "hubbard was a degenerate a**hole" thing either...

the man produced a substantive body of work which contains enduring value; he advanced the scrum in our practical understanding of the spirit

 

[AnonKat]

i never bought in to the "mankind's greatest friend" thing. in fact i spent two days at the library going over everything i could find and i knew much of the case against ron before i even started

and i'm not now going to buy in to the "hubbard was a degenerate a**hole" thing either...

the man produced a substantive body of work which contains enduring value; he advanced the scrum in our practical understanding of the spirit

He stole everything and what he didn't steal he made up

Dianetics is a total rip off for starters with mocked up cases. Edit: All cases in dianetics are pulled out of his ass trufax


He left a vast body of blah blah blah

 

[uncover]

i never bought in to the "mankind's greatest friend" thing. in fact i spent two days at the library going over everything i could find and i knew much of the case against ron before i even started

and i'm not now going to buy in to the "hubbard was a degenerated a**hole" thing either...

I know a man who was in prison for more than 10 years. You can say, in this time he became an expert on the criminal mind. One day he said to me:
"uncover, you make a big mistake: you believe in the good in man. But if you look long and hard enough, you will find in everybody something good"

So I have to say:
Commander Birdsong, you make a big mistake: obviously you believe in the good in man. But if you look long and hard enough, you will find in everybody something good - even in El con Hubbard.

 

[Commander Birdsong]

I know a man who was in prison for more than 10 years. You can say, in this time he became an expert on the criminal mind. One day he said to me:
"uncover, you make a big mistake: you believe in the good in man. But if you look long and hard enough, you will find in everybody something good"

So I have to say:
Commander Birdsong, you make a big mistake: obviously you believe in the good in man. But if you look long and hard enough, you will find in everybody something good - even in El con Hubbard.

i never met the man and i start from swinging with our judeochristian view of man as "evil"; bestial, selfcentered, eminently corruptible. yet capable of good. capable of an inner world of light...

i know i wasn't conned. i bought training and training was delivered and it was pretty good training...

 

[uncover]

I never met the man and I start from swinging with our judeochristian view of man as "evil"; bestial, selfcentered, eminently corruptible. yet capable of good. capable of an inner world of light...

You should consider joining Zappalogy:
http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/The_Zappa_Legacy

Frank Zappa mastered one of the greatest things that anybody can master in life: He treated all human beings equally. ..... I called him on this once. I said, "You know, you're quite a character, because you treat people equally." He laughed and said, "Yeah. Everybody is an asshole until proven differently."

So where is the proof concerning El con Hubbard ?

I know I wasn't conned. I bought training and training was delivered and it was pretty good training...

I wasn´t conned too. I also bought training, and the training was delivered etc..... but this doesn´t change anything on the fact that most of what was delivered was useless and the rest was stolen.

Thats comparable to: I paid for a pretty horse, the seller even brought me the pretty horse. Unfortunately the horse was already dead....

 

[at3ist]

Under Hitler command a lot of young kids were trained in a very real set of skills, a lot of them became great men and were able to command others in the german laws, they were little kids and 5 years later were entering houses and being the law, they were powerful and people listened to them, they really were trained to do that, cuz when they started they were afraid, a lot of them came from poor families and in a matter of years were rich themselves and were able to help others, most of them joined cuz they were eager to help others and were raised since they join the german army in a lot of great morals and speaches about how they were superior, they grow and keep growing and became men that others admired, they learned how to raise their hands when a superior passed by, they were little punks in the streets probably in the way to become thiefts, but a couple of years latter they were strong men, with a pourpose and direction, the german army gave them classes, they learned about life and about a lot of other subjects, hitler didnt wanted stupid soldiers, no he wanted skilled people and they gave them skilled people.

Those great men, with all those great skills were aligned and started to become more powerful, they were send to battle with the best weapons money could buy at the time, they were the best army in the world, those little punks when trained the proper way and in the proper ideologies were invinsible in the battling field, the whole world was in danger cuz hittler was good at training his people, and he really cared about his army motivation, he cared so much that he himself killed a few of them and blamed the enemy, to give his army a reason to fight, he gave them an enemy once they were trained and were loyal to him and his empire.

So I dont doubt there are guys outhere that learned stuff from scientology a lot of them are really good at selling the thing cuz they believe it themselves, what commander birdsong says is like saying "you know what?, charles manson was not a bad guy cuz he trained his girls and they seem relaxed and driven" oh, yes they were relaxed and driven cuz he needed them that way. so relaxed and driven that when he told them to fix a problem for him, they were able to think about killing the guys, "we are all going to die some day anyway".

And as much as scientology is a subject and is stuff to learn, at the end of the day they havent proved anything, there is not OTs, theres not even clears, and they refused to be a science and became a religion in order to say whatever they want whitout any concern, learning scientology is like learning from the manual to survive a zombie apocalipse and an alien invation, you will become an expert in a field that is mostly bulls***t.