How many people went type III (ie. had a Psychotic Break) in your org?

[Terril park]

I'll add my experiences here. Prior to being in Scn age 8-14
I very often compulsively went exterior. Eventually I was able to
go in or out at will after much struggles.

Problem solved.

I then did nothing more on this which I now consider a mistake.
Have often gone ext since but not so much at cause.

On leaving staff as FEBC they really wanted me to stay. What a blow
to stats! So possibly on a false or irrelevant read did ext int. Did
nothing for me. In fact after many sec checks at St Hill I stayed for 3 months as a gesture of amends.

They probably didn't want an FEBC around who wanted to leave.
What message did that send? They were good people in London then.

 

[uniquemand]

I'll add my experiences here. Prior to being in Scn age 8-14
I very often compulsively went exterior. Eventually I was able to
go in or out at will after much struggles.

Problem solved.

I then did nothing more on this which I now consider a mistake.
Have often gone ext since but not so much at cause.

On leaving staff as FEBC they really wanted me to stay. What a blow
to stats! So possibly on a false or irrelevant read did ext int. Did
nothing for me. In fact after many sec checks at St Hill I stayed for 3 months as a gesture of amends.

They probably didn't want an FEBC around who wanted to leave.
What message did that send? They were good people in London then.

You know you're in a cult when you need to make amends for leaving.

 

[JustSheila]

On leaving staff as FEBC they really wanted me to stay. What a blow
to stats! So possibly on a false or irrelevant read did ext int. Did
nothing for me.

Terril, I am in complete and utter shock. I may need a liedown.

That is the most negative thing I have ever seen you write about one of your personal experiences with Scientology tek.

 

[Terril park]

Terril, I am in complete and utter shock. I may need a liedown.

That is the most negative thing I have ever seen you write about one of your personal experiences with Scientology tek.

You can lie down with me anytime

In general half my auditing experiences in CO$ did nothing. Possibly
similar for most.

Bridge actions as opposed to repair, correction, and ruds for fuckups
usually worked out fine to revelatory. Actions in the FZ were incredible.

Feel my finger

 

[sallydannce]

I'm glad it was helpful to you, Lotus. I spent months mucking around on ESMB trying to sort out what happened. RogerB was a big help.

I refer to "Black Scientology" as those actions that are purported to do one thing that do exactly the opposite. A person wants to leave, the Int R/D is done, not to address the desire, but to splatter the intention and pervert it so that a person is confused and once again subjugated to the will of the org and stays. The Int Rundown combined with imprisonment on the RPF caused my psychotic break.

Objectives are similar. The purported purpose is to to get a person to control themselves. The real purpose is to get the person to believe that when the auditor is controlling the person, it is really the individual and thus accept the auditor's control unconditionally.

My bolding.

Fcuk yeah! It was done when I wanted to leave staff (I think, my memory is still hazy but a bell is ringing. Was it a direct result of the leaving staff routing form? I don't remember). Hah. Another piece of the puzzle to work with. Thank you Sheila.

Though I was not sea org - and subjected to the hell of the RPF - I still can't bear being in a locked room without having full access to keys/door handles. Whenever I work with a therapist I always sit closest to the door. It's empowering to know I can walk out the door any damn time I like. Flying presents interesting re-framing work. I talk myself through it.

It was like living in a reverse universe. Everything "they said" was for a particularly purpose, was a lie. Freedom - a trap. Ability - to serve the cause and only the cause. Love (they called it affinity) - learning how to hate, learning how to marginalise, devalue, compartmentalise, all with a glossy fake smile.

 

[Enthetan]

Your post Sheila enlightened me on what happened that I couldn't even remember.
Many things now finds explanations.

I don't think black $cientology exist though - only $cientology, as LRH intended it!

Exactly. The purpose of Scientology auditing was NOT to "free" beings -- it was to subvert the PC's will and make the PC more compliant towards org authority.

 

[Lurker5]

 

[scooter]

Heard today of a public $cientologist who committed suicide approx. 6 months ago in Sydney and the cult of course spun it as an accident rather than the deliberate waste of a life so that the insurance money could be gotten and the person could return to the Bridge for next lifetime rather than face the disaster that being a financially over-committed cultie can be.

If that's not a mental and emotional collapse then I don't know what is. But it's happened before in Sydney that I know of (and that I subsequently reported to the relevant authorities.)

Also got more details of one of the stories I briefly told earlier in this thread about folk who went "Type III." Again, it's a disaster for all concerned.

But that's exactly what "Standard Tech" is - a disaster for all concerned.

FUCK YOU, HUBBARD - YOU EVIL, FAT FRAUD !!!

AND FUCK YOU, OSA !!!

 

[sallydannce]

 

[Lurker5]

And bumpity

ATTN: All ye who want to join . . . or are messing around here on some kind of amends - or osa op . . .

 

[pkatz]

Probably the wrong thread to post this, but...a young man came to see me at the FOLO in LA in the early 70's. I was the Cont Justice Chief (yeah, right!).

He said he had been declared TypeIII at his org and wanted to come back on lines in an org. For no reason I threw him out of my office. He came to me for help and I refused.

Mister, if you are out there, I am so, so sorry. I could be such an asshole back then.
-pk

 

[JustSheila]

pkatz,



Not the wrong thread. I understand.

We've all done things of which we are not proud, back when we were Scientologists.

Scientology would not have helped him and may very well have made him worse.

 

[Lermanet_com]

Probably the wrong thread to post this, but...a young man came to see me at the FOLO in LA in the early 70's. I was the Cont Justice Chief (yeah, right!).

He said he had been declared TypeIII at his org and wanted to come back on lines in an org. For no reason I threw him out of my office. He came to me for help and I refused.

Mister, if you are out there, I am so, so sorry. I could be such an asshole back then.
-pk

I remember your name, I was in FBO US Office in early 70's, with Pat Broeker, Mike Goldstein, Gary Lowe and FBO US Mike Smith, Charlie Hodges, Holly and David Judd, Ross Anderson and Chris Rutkowsky

but, though I've tried, I haven't attached a face to your name yet in my mind.

Your post deserves more acknowledgement that just the THANKYOU button
because of the relative rarity of public apology for prior misdeeds from ex-members.

I'd venture that what you wrote above made you feel a bit more whole as a human being..

Another notable apology was Gary Weber's apology to the citizens of Clearwater, and Mayor Gabe Cazares.
Gary was the guy in the nazi uniform pictured here, working for the GO/OSA at the time in CW:


LINK to 1979 front page article of Clearwater Sun Newspaper

His apology is HERE

When I realized that my dedication of time and effort in $cientology and Sea org contributed to all the pain and suffering they caused afterwards.. I became motivated to at least try to do something about it
to try to stop the monster that I was lied to, hypnotized, and then tricked into helping.

I strongly believe that there is enough pain and suffering merely being alive as a human in this world, and that to inflict pain and suffering upon another with intent to do so is the definition of evil, and $cientology makes that metaphor pale in comparison to its own conduct - inflicting pain and suffering upon others for THE PROFIT.

sorry, I entered rant mode, i feel a bit better now too, thank you.



“That hatred springs more from self-contempt than from a legitimate grievance is seen in the intimate connection between hatred and a guilty conscience. There is perhaps no surer way of infecting ourselves with virulent hatred toward a person than by doing him a grave injustice. That others have a just grievance against us is a more potent reason for hating them than that we have a just grievance against them. ……Self-righteousness is a loud din raised to drown the voice of guilt within us.”
Eric Hoffer, "True Believer"

 

[Lurker5]

 

[Helena Handbasket]

No, the int r/d is different to the isolation (introspection) r/d. I am referring to the auditing I had for "out-int".

I think the Introspection Rundown is abbreviated Intro RD.

Helena

 

[Claire Swazey]

Those CofS labels are as hard to get removed as duct tape residue.

 

[Helena Handbasket]

In my org the Int. Rundown became a bit of a status symbol.

The idea was that if you had aches/pains/headaches etc then they could be caused by you as a thetan having difficulty being interiorized into your body.

I had problems with high TA. They decided I was out-Int and put me on the Int Rundown.

They said I must have gone exterior. I kept telling them I didn't go exterior. They didn't care about data from the PC.

I went through the whole rundown. When I was finished, there was no change in my TA.

Helena

 

[strativarius]

I had problems with high TA. They decided I was out-Int and put me on the Int Rundown.

They said I must have gone exterior. I kept telling them I didn't go exterior. They didn't care about data from the PC.

I went through the whole rundown. [highlight] When I was finished, there was no change in my TA[/highlight].

Helena

No, but I suspect that there was some change in your bank account, ( or, to put it another way, all you had left in it) which is the only change those at the top really care about.

 

[Lurker5]

Where I come from TA means something else . . . Breasts and buttocks, only in slang. Oh wait, that's T&A . . . .

All these scno abrevs and gobblety gook - :smoking: and can

THIS IS WHY

 

[Lermanet_com]

Where I come from TA means something else . . . Breasts and buttocks, only in slang. Oh wait, that's T&A . . . .

All these scno abrevs and gobblety gook - :smoking: and can

THIS IS WHY

That is a universal truth... as opposed to an esoteric truth...