How many people went type III (ie. had a Psychotic Break) in your org?

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lotus

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Scientologists who had Psychotic Breaks with surnames starting with "Q" "R" or "S": (Continued from post #873, Page 88)

James Stewart, 36, who suffered from epilepsy, was found dead 50 feet below a window at the Advanced Org in Edinburgh Scotland, in August 1968. He was on OT3, a class 7 auditor, and the Executive Director of the Durban Org. A few days before his death, had completed an Ethics Condition wherein he stayed awake for 80 hours. This prolonged lack of sleep apparently triggered an epileptic fit and James suffered a head injury during the fit.
The following notice was then posted on the org bulletin board: “James Stewart has been put in a Condition of Doubt for having seizures in public and thus invalidating Scientology. If there is any reoccurrence of these either consciously or unconsciously on his part he will be placed in a Condition of Enemy.”


If stories like this one don't make it obvious and evident that $cientology tech is a terminator technology to drive people in mental and emotional distress ...to me, it's evident we are facing a cognitive dissonance of unprecendented order of magnitude :confused2:

It's so much insane, inhumane, sadist, evil, sociopathic.... :unsure:

When '' nobodies lower rank'' cult followers do things like that to people...in order to save the planet from insanity...
they are really mindfucked...:unsure:
 
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Lurker5

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Everyone should go to Mike Rinder's Something Can Be Done About It - and read Andy Porter's story of finally reaching his limit, and getting out. Most enlightening tale, of how scno/co$ fucks with the mind, and drives people to psychotic break/psychosis, on this lrh bridge to absolutely nothing and nowhere.

This is WHY. :scnsucks:
 
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You don't really need to keep bumping it, unless your intention is to keep it in Today's Posts. The thread is already stickied and remains at the top of the Evaluating/criticising Scientology sub-forum.
 

Veda

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Every now and then, a person on lines went type III in our org. It was way too many for what I thought was the "only workable tech" on the planet. Excuses were made of course, and it was hushed up among the staff.

I am curious if this happened at other orgs and how frequently it occurred. I thought it happened only in our org and the auditor was poorly trained. S/he seemed to have a lot of pcs that went crazy. But because of the lack of trained tech terminals, s/he was quickly "repaired" and put back in the auditors chair.

OR is it simply the tech that makes someone spin in? Auditors do not need to be certified by law to give the general public mental therapy and I feel that is dangerous. Even a CPA has to be certified by law to do your business accounting, a painter, or contractor needs to obtain a license to service the general public.

Bump.

Others are invited to bump old threads to get meaningful content up front and visible for newbie lurkers resulting from the HBO doc. :)
 

clamicide

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Re: How many people went type III in your org?

I met Lisa at a New Years event at flag back in the day. She came pre-fragile, I would bet. Do you really want to know how that evil stuff happens? It's when the natural reproductive process is interfered with, especially early in a child's life.

The real problem with the cult and Lisa McPherson is that Laffy's drivel could never really help seriously mentally injured people. It was institutionalized incompetence. I know, I worked for them for years. It was all bluff and con. It only served to boost peoples egos. 'Look how far up the bridge I am!'

Actually, the folks I spoke with who knew Lisa when she first got in described her as anything but fragile. They were completely staggered by what happened later after they lost touch.

Type III? OMG--so many folks at our org went there. Fuck, wound up there myself when I first 'got out'--pretty much how I was ALLOWED to get out (as in omfg--get her away so this doesn't flap!). I can enumerate later when I'm not running out the door--but, yep, it happened way too often.
 

Knows

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A guy from the SEA ORG told me when I first got in that he HEARD "Lisa was a DB - a psych case and was a mess"

This is the "whispering campaign" we all get from Scientology when it does not work or goes really bad.

Scientology lies to members about other members to get the focus off of the Organization and the blame put on others.

KSW - standardly applied.:happydance:
 

JustSheila

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Something about TROLLS on ESMB makes me want to work on our list: :biggrin:

Scientologists who had Psychotic Breaks with surnames starting with "S" through "W": (Continued from post #938, Page 94):

[SIZE=+2]Robert Thorburn[/SIZE]
Posting by Neal Hamel
Los Angeles Times of 29 September '95
A Los Angeles man, in Las Vegas to attend the Soldier of Fortune convention, was killed with one of his own guns during a confrontation with two men, police said.
According to friends, Robert was married to Charlene and both were involved in Scientology, Charlene was involved very deeply. Charlene was a nurse in a chiropractic business.

There was a memorial service held for Robert at the Church of Scientology.
http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/robert_thorburn/t-burn1.html

Anyone have any other details?

Jimmy Jean Shumway and
Alexis Shumway

Murdered their Mother/Grandmother, Suzine Van Sickle
The Seattle Times of 23 August '91

79-year old Suzine Van Sickle's daughter and granddaughter were convicted of poisoning and smothering their 79-year old mother/grandmother. A King County jury found Jimmie Jean Shumway, 59, the daughter, and Alexis Shumway, 29, guilty of premeditated first-degree murder in the bizarre killing last November that they kept secret for three months.

The two showed no emotion as the verdict was read yesterday.

Deputy Prosecutor Lisa Marchese said that after the two depleted the $ 100,000 estate of the widowed Van Sickle, she was no longer was useful to them.... <snip>

...Marchese and Deputy Prosecutor Kerry Keefe brought evidence showing that the daughter, after getting power of attorney for
her mother in late 1987, wrote 30 checks to herself totaling $45,000.

More than $ 13,000 was donated to the Church of Scientology,the prosecutors said. Payments to the nursing home where Van
Sickle previously lived were overdue.
http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/others/sickle.html
 
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JustSheila

Crusader
Scientologists who had Psychotic Breaks with surnames starting with "S" through "W": (Continued):

Gene Trout or Traudt - Suicide in about 1980. Was an OT7.

Koos Nolst Trenite - In 1974, when Koos went to work for GO, he was “a normal, fun loving guy”. By 1979 he was dangerously unstable, showing symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia which persisted and which went untreated. On 25 December 1999 his daughter, then 19 years old, died in their home near Forchheim, Germany. Autopsy showed she had drowned. The father had the habit of torturing (or “treating”?) his wife with hot and cold jets of water. It was perhaps his version of the Purification Rundown. An infant daughter died in 1983 ten days after birth of an untreated respiratory infection. As far as is known Koos is still alive and still posting his very bizarre ideas, which identify Hubbard, not without reason, as the Devil.

Leah Theriery
- a Scientologist, attempted suicide sometime in May 1974.

Robin Clive Tweddell - Scientologist in New Zealand who committed suicide in 1989. Father of Aaron Saxton.
From public search on NZ National Archives:
"Coroners inquest files
COR/89/1030 Robin Clive Tweddell 1989"


Robert Thorburn
- died after being shot in the head in Las Vegas by James Duchesneau (30) and Frederick Weber (23) who had both been shot in the leg by Thorbum with the same gun.

David Voorhees of Washington State - went crazy in 1982 or 1983 in Los Angeles trying to audit the BTs and clusters. He was held captive in a room somewhere in Los Angeles for weeks and injected with Thorazine to calm him. David was told by his captors that he was getting Vitamin B injections. HEW 219.

Eric Vigeland - was in Scientology in Boston in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Eric had previously been in psychiatric care. Eric inherited some money, gave it all to the fund to help Mary Sue in the USGO/FBI lawsuit, and was then given a bunch of auditing as a “reward.” He was apparently not a very stable person, and even by Scientology standards, should not have been accepted for service..

Frank Vitkovic - of Queen Street, Melbourne, Australia. In 1987 Frank Vitkovic opened fire in a business building in Melbourne, Australia, killing eight people and wounding five others before he plunged to his death trying to escape. Two months prior to the attacks he had taken a personality test offered by the Church of Scientology, which was said to mean he was extremely depressed; it was the second-worst test result the Scientology volunteer had ever seen. It was argued at the inquest that the organization had not taken the appropriate measures indicated by their information, which could have prevented the massacre, and that the test possibly contributed to Vitkovic’s mental state at the time of the shootings.

Patrice Vic - The father of two young children, Patrice died in March 1988 in Lyon, France, when he jumped to his death from the 12th storey window of his children’s bedroom. He had spent all his money on courses with the CoS, and then borrowed 30.000 FFr (about $5000) to be able to take the Purification Rundown. The French court ruled that the local branch had driven Vic to suicide, and found its leader Jean-Jacques Mazier guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Fourteen other scientologists were convicted on related charges. He went to his death believing his debit card had been stolen by prostitutes, when in fact it had been stolen by the criminals running the Lyons Org.

Bruce Welsch - a crew member on the Apollo, had a psychotic break during the early 1970s. He was locked up in a port aft cabin by Stuart Moreau and Ron Anderson, two ship crew members. HEW 204.

Gregory Bradford Wisner - He was 27 when his body was found in the surf near Indian Rocks Beach, FL, on 20 January 2001. Judged an accident. Gregory was a cocaine addict born into a Scientology family. His father was a spokesperson for Narconon. Gregory attended Narconon in December 1997. He was raised in various Scientology families but all had disconnected from him.

Jim Whyte - died train-hopping while drunk.

Linda Walicki - “I just butchered my family.” Linda Walicki, an untreated schizophrenic aged 25, killed her father Michael (52), a “Sponsor for Total Freedom”, and her sister Kathryn (15) and seriously wounded her mother Sue (52), at Revesby, Sydney, Australia on 7 July 2007. The cause of the attack was later determined to be a psychotic episode brought on by replacing her prescribed anti-depressants and anti-psychotic medication with the Scientology method of treating psychosis by isolation and vitamins (see McPherson, Perkins). Linda was diagnosed with mental illness at Bankstown Hospital in late 2006 but treatment was discontinued because her parents were Scientologists. At that time a magistrate refused to sign an order to continue her treatment. Three weeks before the killings her parents were apparently worried enough to reintroduce her to the prescription medication but it was evidently too late. Linda was declared not guilty by reasons of insanity. Vicki Dunstan, for the CoS, at first denied the family were Scientologists. Virginia Steward, a local Scientology spokesmen, also denied any knowledge of the family, then claimed the tragedy was all the fault of psychiatrists who had interfered and caused damage. Then she blamed Linda’s breakdown on earlier intervention by psychiatrists. “Church of Scientology denies stabbed man ‘a recruiter'” (Fiona Connolly, Daily Telegraph, News.com.au, 10 July 2007). But it did not take local journalists long to find that a man with the same name as the dead father is listed on the Church of Scientology’s “Honour Roll” in the 2002 Impact magazine which glorifies members worldwide for their efforts in “signing more than 20 members to the church” or for donating $US20,000 ($23,200) or more. The “church” typically tries to disconnect from any potential source of embarrassment such as suicides, murders, and even the death of its members from natural causes. It never offers counselling, shows any respect for the dead or responsibility for what has happened, or helps bereaved families in any way.

https://theyshouldnothavedied.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/suicide-and-violence-o-to-z/

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Please provide any additional names or information you have to this thread.

So we never forget the damage of Scientology, or the people whose minds and lives were wrecked or ended because of it.

(More tomorrow)
 
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Glenda

Crusader
Scientologists who had Psychotic Breaks with surnames starting with "S" through "W": (Continued):

Gene Trout or Traudt - Suicide in about 1980. Was an OT7.

Koos Nolsr Trenite - In 1974, when Koos went to work for GO, he was “a normal, fun loving guy”. By 1979 he was dangerously unstable, showing symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia which persisted and which went untreated. On 25 December 1999 his daughter, then 19 years old, died in their home near Forchheim, Germany. Autopsy showed she had drowned. The father had the habit of torturing (or “treating”?) his wife with hot and cold jets of water. It was perhaps his version of the Purification Rundown. An infant daughter died in 1983 ten days after birth of an untreated respiratory infection. As far as is known Koos is still alive and still posting his very bizarre ideas, which identify Hubbard, not without reason, as the Devil.

Leah Theriery
- a Scientologist, attempted suicide sometime in May 1974.

Rob Twedell - New Zealand Scientologist suicide.

Robert Thorburn
- died after being shot in the head in Las Vegas by James Duchesneau (30) and Frederick Weber (23) who had both been shot in the leg by Thorbum with the same gun.

David Voorhees of Washington State - went crazy in 1982 or 1983 in Los Angeles trying to audit the BTs and clusters. He was held captive in a room somewhere in Los Angeles for weeks and injected with Thorazine to calm him. David was told by his captors that he was getting Vitamin B injections. HEW 219.

Eric Vigeland - was in Scientology in Boston in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Eric had previously been in psychiatric care. Eric inherited some money, gave it all to the fund to help Mary Sue in the USGO/FBI lawsuit, and was then given a bunch of auditing as a “reward.” He was apparently not a very stable person, and even by Scientology standards, should not have been accepted for service..

Frank Vitkovic - of Queen Street, Melbourne, Australia. In 1987 Frank Vitkovic opened fire in a business building in Melbourne, Australia, killing eight people and wounding five others before he plunged to his death trying to escape. Two months prior to the attacks he had taken a personality test offered by the Church of Scientology, which was said to mean he was extremely depressed; it was the second-worst test result the Scientology volunteer had ever seen. It was argued at the inquest that the organization had not taken the appropriate measures indicated by their information, which could have prevented the massacre, and that the test possibly contributed to Vitkovic’s mental state at the time of the shootings.

Patrice Vic - The father of two young children, Patrice died in March 1988 in Lyon, France, when he jumped to his death from the 12th storey window of his children’s bedroom. He had spent all his money on courses with the CoS, and then borrowed 30.000 FFr (about $5000) to be able to take the Purification Rundown. The French court ruled that the local branch had driven Vic to suicide, and found its leader Jean-Jacques Mazier guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Fourteen other scientologists were convicted on related charges. He went to his death believing his debit card had been stolen by prostitutes, when in fact it had been stolen by the criminals running the Lyons Org.

Bruce Welsch - a crew member on the Apollo, had a psychotic break during the early 1970s. He was locked up in a port aft cabin by Stuart Moreau and Ron Anderson, two ship crew members. HEW 204.

Gregory Bradford Wisner - He was 27 when his body was found in the surf near Indian Rocks Beach, FL, on 20 January 2001. Judged an accident. Gregory was a cocaine addict born into a Scientology family. His father was a spokesperson for Narconon. Gregory attended Narconon in December 1997. He was raised in various Scientology families but all had disconnected from him.

Jim Whyte - died train-hopping while drunk.

Linda Walicki - “I just butchered my family.” Linda Walicki, an untreated schizophrenic aged 25, killed her father Michael (52), a “Sponsor for Total Freedom”, and her sister Kathryn (15) and seriously wounded her mother Sue (52), at Revesby, Sydney, Australia on 7 July 2007. The cause of the attack was later determined to be a psychotic episode brought on by replacing her prescribed anti-depressants and anti-psychotic medication with the Scientology method of treating psychosis by isolation and vitamins (see McPherson, Perkins). Linda was diagnosed with mental illness at Bankstown Hospital in late 2006 but treatment was discontinued because her parents were Scientologists. At that time a magistrate refused to sign an order to continue her treatment. Three weeks before the killings her parents were apparently worried enough to reintroduce her to the prescription medication but it was evidently too late. Linda was declared not guilty by reasons of insanity. Vicki Dunstan, for the CoS, at first denied the family were Scientologists. Virginia Steward, a local Scientology spokesmen, also denied any knowledge of the family, then claimed the tragedy was all the fault of psychiatrists who had interfered and caused damage. Then she blamed Linda’s breakdown on earlier intervention by psychiatrists. “Church of Scientology denies stabbed man ‘a recruiter'” (Fiona Connolly, Daily Telegraph, News.com.au, 10 July 2007). But it did not take local journalists long to find that a man with the same name as the dead father is listed on the Church of Scientology’s “Honour Roll” in the 2002 Impact magazine which glorifies members worldwide for their efforts in “signing more than 20 members to the church” or for donating $US20,000 ($23,200) or more. The “church” typically tries to disconnect from any potential source of embarrassment such as suicides, murders, and even the death of its members from natural causes. It never offers counselling, shows any respect for the dead or responsibility for what has happened, or helps bereaved families in any way.

https://theyshouldnothavedied.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/suicide-and-violence-o-to-z/

Please provide any additional names or information you have to this thread.

So we never forget the damage of Scientology, or the people whose lives were wrecked or ended because of it.

(More tomorrow)


Thanks for the work on this Sheila.

We've got a typo in Rob Twedell - correct spelling is TWEDDELL.

Rob was Aaron Saxton's father.

From public search on NZ National Archives:

"Coroners inquest files

COR/89/1030 Robin Clive Tweddell 1989"
 
Something about TROLLS on ESMB makes me want to work on our list: :biggrin:

Scientologists who had Psychotic Breaks with surnames starting with "S" through "W": (Continued from post #938, Page 94):

[SIZE=+2]Robert Thorburn[/SIZE]
Posting by Neal Hamel
Los Angeles Times of 29 September '95
A Los Angeles man, in Las Vegas to attend the Soldier of Fortune convention, was killed with one of his own guns during a confrontation with two men, police said.
According to friends, Robert was married to Charlene and both were involved in Scientology, Charlene was involved very deeply. Charlene was a nurse in a chiropractic business.

There was a memorial service held for Robert at the Church of Scientology.
http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/robert_thorburn/t-burn1.html

Anyone have any other details?

Jimmy Jean Shumway and
Alexis Shumway

Murdered their Mother/Grandmother, Suzine Van Sickle
The Seattle Times of 23 August '91

79-year old Suzine Van Sickle's daughter and granddaughter were convicted of poisoning and smothering their 79-year old mother/grandmother. A King County jury found Jimmie Jean Shumway, 59, the daughter, and Alexis Shumway, 29, guilty of premeditated first-degree murder in the bizarre killing last November that they kept secret for three months.

http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/others/sickle.html

Scientologists who had Psychotic Breaks with surnames starting with "S" through "W": (Continued):

Gene Trout or Traudt - Suicide in about 1980. Was an OT7.

Koos Nolst Trenite - In 1974, when Koos went to work for GO, he was “a normal, fun loving guy”. By 1979 he was dangerously unstable, showing symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia which persisted and which went untreated. On 25 December 1999 his daughter, then 19 years old, died in their home near Forchheim, Germany. Autopsy showed she had drowned. The father had the habit of torturing (or “treating”?) his wife with hot and cold jets of water. It was perhaps his version of the Purification Rundown. An infant daughter died in 1983 ten days after birth of an untreated respiratory infection. As far as is known Koos is still alive and still posting his very bizarre ideas, which identify Hubbard, not without reason, as the Devil.

Leah Theriery
- a Scientologist, attempted suicide sometime in May 1974.

Robin Clive Tweddell - Scientologist in New Zealand who committed suicide in 1989. Father of Aaron Saxton.
From public search on NZ National Archives:
"Coroners inquest files
COR/89/1030 Robin Clive Tweddell 1989"


Robert Thorburn
- died after being shot in the head in Las Vegas by James Duchesneau (30) and Frederick Weber (23) who had both been shot in the leg by Thorbum with the same gun.

David Voorhees of Washington State - went crazy in 1982 or 1983 in Los Angeles trying to audit the BTs and clusters. He was held captive in a room somewhere in Los Angeles for weeks and injected with Thorazine to calm him. David was told by his captors that he was getting Vitamin B injections. HEW 219.

Eric Vigeland - was in Scientology in Boston in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Eric had previously been in psychiatric care. Eric inherited some money, gave it all to the fund to help Mary Sue in the USGO/FBI lawsuit, and was then given a bunch of auditing as a “reward.” He was apparently not a very stable person, and even by Scientology standards, should not have been accepted for service..

Frank Vitkovic - of Queen Street, Melbourne, Australia. In 1987 Frank Vitkovic opened fire in a business building in Melbourne, Australia, killing eight people and wounding five others before he plunged to his death trying to escape. Two months prior to the attacks he had taken a personality test offered by the Church of Scientology, which was said to mean he was extremely depressed; it was the second-worst test result the Scientology volunteer had ever seen. It was argued at the inquest that the organization had not taken the appropriate measures indicated by their information, which could have prevented the massacre, and that the test possibly contributed to Vitkovic’s mental state at the time of the shootings.

Patrice Vic - The father of two young children, Patrice died in March 1988 in Lyon, France, when he jumped to his death from the 12th storey window of his children’s bedroom. He had spent all his money on courses with the CoS, and then borrowed 30.000 FFr (about $5000) to be able to take the Purification Rundown. The French court ruled that the local branch had driven Vic to suicide, and found its leader Jean-Jacques Mazier guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Fourteen other scientologists were convicted on related charges. He went to his death believing his debit card had been stolen by prostitutes, when in fact it had been stolen by the criminals running the Lyons Org.

Bruce Welsch - a crew member on the Apollo, had a psychotic break during the early 1970s. He was locked up in a port aft cabin by Stuart Moreau and Ron Anderson, two ship crew members. HEW 204.

Gregory Bradford Wisner - He was 27 when his body was found in the surf near Indian Rocks Beach, FL, on 20 January 2001. Judged an accident. Gregory was a cocaine addict born into a Scientology family. His father was a spokesperson for Narconon. Gregory attended Narconon in December 1997. He was raised in various Scientology families but all had disconnected from him.

Jim Whyte - died train-hopping while drunk.

Linda Walicki - “I just butchered my family.” Linda Walicki, an untreated schizophrenic aged 25, killed her father Michael (52), a “Sponsor for Total Freedom”, and her sister Kathryn (15) and seriously wounded her mother Sue (52), at Revesby, Sydney, Australia on 7 July 2007. The cause of the attack was later determined to be a psychotic episode brought on by replacing her prescribed anti-depressants and anti-psychotic medication with the Scientology method of treating psychosis by isolation and vitamins (see McPherson, Perkins). Linda was diagnosed with mental illness at Bankstown Hospital in late 2006 but treatment was discontinued because her parents were Scientologists. At that time a magistrate refused to sign an order to continue her treatment. Three weeks before the killings her parents were apparently worried enough to reintroduce her to the prescription medication but it was evidently too late. Linda was declared not guilty by reasons of insanity. Vicki Dunstan, for the CoS, at first denied the family were Scientologists. Virginia Steward, a local Scientology spokesmen, also denied any knowledge of the family, then claimed the tragedy was all the fault of psychiatrists who had interfered and caused damage. Then she blamed Linda’s breakdown on earlier intervention by psychiatrists. “Church of Scientology denies stabbed man ‘a recruiter'” (Fiona Connolly, Daily Telegraph, News.com.au, 10 July 2007). But it did not take local journalists long to find that a man with the same name as the dead father is listed on the Church of Scientology’s “Honour Roll” in the 2002 Impact magazine which glorifies members worldwide for their efforts in “signing more than 20 members to the church” or for donating $US20,000 ($23,200) or more. The “church” typically tries to disconnect from any potential source of embarrassment such as suicides, murders, and even the death of its members from natural causes. It never offers counselling, shows any respect for the dead or responsibility for what has happened, or helps bereaved families in any way.

https://theyshouldnothavedied.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/suicide-and-violence-o-to-z/

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Please provide any additional names or information you have to this thread.

So we never forget the damage of Scientology, or the people whose minds and lives were wrecked or ended because of it.

(More tomorrow)

I had some idea of what goes on behind the closed doors of scientology cover ups (Lisa McPherson) but this is beyond anything I imagined. :omg::angry::ohmy:
 

exbritscino

Patron with Honors
While on Mission staff I went type 3 and became a suicide case.

Another guy who was at the same Mission, later joined the Sea Org and went type 3. Again, an attempted suicide case.

A public member went type 3, ended up being on nanny watch by HCO for a few days, then finally was admitted to a nearby specialist mental health hospital. Amazingly enough the Mission managed to get him out for one evening to attend an event so they could increase their 'bodies in the shop' stat!

Another young lady at the Mission also went type 3, again an attempted suicide/self harmer.

Since I left the nut job cult in '97, there have probably been quite a few more incidents like these.

Don't forget, this was in a MISSION, over a 4 year period.......
 
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