How to deprogram a scientologist.

Gib

Crusader
Warning: unpopular viewpoint follows. Very likely to offend the faithful here. You have been warned.

There is no such thing as deprogramming. There is, however, reprogramming. Those of you who push this "deprogramming" notion are really engaged in reprogramming Co$ victims into soldiers of the Anti-Scientologist army - with some success, too. :eyeroll:

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
email: [email protected]
facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mhobson2011

You know, Mr. Michael A. Hobson, Independent Scientologist, that you are. A scientologist that is somebody who clams "knowing how to know".

What do you know?

Do you only know Hubbard's scientology? Or do know other religions, or philosophies, or other lines of thought?

Have you make a research to compare?
 

TheSneakster

More Skeptical Than You
Do you only know Hubbard's scientology? Or do know other religions, or philosophies, or other lines of thought?

Have you make a research to compare?

Is this an honest question? I very much doubt you will care for the honest answer.

I'd be willing to bet I had expended far, far more hours in literature review of psychology, spiritualism, behaviorism, philosophies, parapsychology, science and technology, religion(s), mythologies, history and just about everything else by the time I was 19 years old and first became exposed to Dianetics and Scientology than the average Anti-Scientology "critic" have in their entire life.

That was an extremely condescending and insulting question that suggests the same sort of highly prejudiced arrogant mindset that can be found in most Co$ "Scientologists".

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
email: [email protected]
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mhobson2011
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
One measure of how well Scientology works, is to look at its practitioners.

Use Scientology's own "Doubt Formula" against them. What are their own personal "stats" like? Are THEY "winning" in life? Has Scientology made them happy? Are they doing well financially? Do they have happy families? What are the observable RESULTS of Scientology being part of their lives?
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
It's been awhile when I last looked at FDS, I probably should before I post this post, but what the hell, I'll do it anyways.

Maybe false data stripping should include missing data.

I think OP was talking about wising them up rather than using formal FDSing. But formal FDSing can include missing data. In two ways:

1. Example: One of the initial questions, "Is there something in (subject) which never made any sense to you?", where the subject is Scientology, might yield the missing-data answer, "Yeah, why hasn't Hubbard returned by now?" The follow-up question "Have you been given any false data regarding this?" then gets into the procedure proper.

2. After FDSing on a topic is completed for now, the person is supposed to study the "true data" on that topic. In the cult, this is often some Hubbard text. But outside the cult, anything goes. So if the topic is Hubbard/Scientology, that means sources like ESMB or respected critical books/documentaries etc, maybe all of which would have been missing data to the person.

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Clearbird's version of the FDSing bulletin:
http://freezoneearth.org/Clearbird/Clearbird2004/sub1/class0/part3/56fds.htm

PaulsRobot FDSing module:
http://paulsrobot3.com/scn/fds/index.htm

Paul
 

This is NOT OK !!!!

Gold Meritorious Patron
Is this an honest question? I very much doubt you will care for the honest answer.

I'd be willing to bet I had expended far, far more hours in literature review of psychology, spiritualism, behaviorism, philosophies, parapsychology, science and technology, religion(s), mythologies, history and just about everything else by the time I was 19 years old and first became exposed to Dianetics and Scientology than the average Anti-Scientology "critic" have in their entire life.

That was an extremely condescending and insulting question that suggests the same sort of highly prejudiced arrogant mindset that can be found in most Co$ "Scientologists".

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
email: [email protected]
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mhobson2011

A+ for applying "always attack, never defend"
 

Thetaman

Patron
Warning: unpopular viewpoint follows. Very likely to offend the faithful here. You have been warned.

There is no such thing as deprogramming. There is, however, reprogramming. Those of you who push this "deprogramming" notion are really engaged in reprogramming Co$ victims into soldiers of the Anti-Scientologist army - with some success, too. :eyeroll:

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
email: [email protected]
facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mhobson2011


Isn't the theme Dianetics that the mind is a computor.
After dianetics auditing others for 1000s of hours and now looking back at what was really going on?
The mind is most definitely programable.
 

phenomanon

Canyon
Welcome to ESMB. :)

Don't forget the cult disconnection policy: the more you try and get family members out the more likely you are to become a target for disconnection. If you push it too far then it becomes for them a you-or-Scn decision. I'm not saying do it or don't do it, just be aware that it happens and act accordingly.

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Have you ever literally FDSed the subject of Scientology? That would be a no-no within the cult, although I found it useful. The first four FDS session worksheets at http://paulsrobot3.com/1st/sample-sessions.htm cover a thetan, metering, and Scientology as topics. These session notes are only intended to show the kinds of thing that could come up, not for suggesting any general truths.

Paul

That was fun, Paul. Thanks .
 

Gib

Crusader
Is this an honest question? I very much doubt you will care for the honest answer.

I'd be willing to bet I had expended far, far more hours in literature review of psychology, spiritualism, behaviorism, philosophies, parapsychology, science and technology, religion(s), mythologies, history and just about everything else by the time I was 19 years old and first became exposed to Dianetics and Scientology than the average Anti-Scientology "critic" have in their entire life.

That was an extremely condescending and insulting question that suggests the same sort of highly prejudiced arrogant mindset that can be found in most Co$ "Scientologists".

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
email: [email protected]
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mhobson2011

well thanks for answering my questions. I find it fascinating that you read all that and still got involved with dianetics/scientology and call yourself an independent scientologist.

Can you expand on what you actually read b/4 your involvement in dianetics/scientology?

I'm interested to know what books or research you did while a 19 year old, I'd like to look at them and review them and further our discussion.
 
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TheSneakster

More Skeptical Than You
Can you expand on what you actually read b/4 your involvement in dianetics/scientology?

The thread topic is the so-called "deprogramming" of Scientologists, not an detailed inventory of Mike Hobson's non-Scientology studies. :duh:

How about an on-topic response to my first comment on this thread instead of changing the subject, Gib? :eyeroll:

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
email: [email protected]
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mhobson2011
 

TheSneakster

More Skeptical Than You
Isn't the theme Dianetics that the mind is a computor.
After dianetics auditing others for 1000s of hours and now looking back at what was really going on?
The mind is most definitely programable.

The thread topic is cult "deprogramming". The last time I checked, nobody engaged in this "deprogramming" is using Dianetics to do so. One of the anti-Scientology critic stable data is that there is no such thing as a Reactive Mind, either. Therefore engrams and their content are not and never were part of this particular discussion. :eyeroll:

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
email: [email protected]
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mhobson2011
 

Thetaman

Patron
Isn't the theme Dianetics that the mind is a computor.
After dianetics auditing others for 1000s of hours and now looking back at what was really going on?
The mind is most definitely programable.

Hey we're you going to reply to this one or do you like your domination in a more silent manner?
 

TheSneakster

More Skeptical Than You
Isn't the theme Dianetics that the mind is a computor.
After dianetics auditing others for 1000s of hours and now looking back at what was really going on?
The mind is most definitely programable.

Hey we're you going to reply to this one or do you like your domination in a more silent manner?

OK, so I'm out to provide an alternative viewpoint on the topic of this thread for civil discussion and you "Thetaman" aim to somehow dominate me instead of discussing the matter? Really? How is that supposed to work ?

Also, I had already replied to you when you posted this bit of nastiness.

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
email: [email protected]
Facebook: https://www.
 

Free Being Me

Crusader
Warning: unpopular viewpoint follows. Very likely to offend the faithful here. You have been warned.

There is no such thing as deprogramming. There is, however, reprogramming. Those of you who push this "deprogramming" notion are really engaged in reprogramming Co$ victims into soldiers of the Anti-Scientologist army - with some success, too. :eyeroll:
Utter codswallop. Ex's self-deprogram from Elcon's $cientology mind control cult free to lead their lives as they choose. As for the rest you've been drinking Marty's fictitiously labeled "ASC" (isn't any such thing) smear and slander kool aid which is pretty funny you would try trolling here with that crap. :roflmao:

OK, so I'm out to provide an alternative viewpoint on the topic of this thread for [HIGHLIGHT]civil discussion[/HIGHLIGHT] ...
No, you already demonstrated on this thread you're not here to be civil. :no:
 
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dchoiceisalwaysrs

Gold Meritorious Patron
https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=...i57.21758j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

29,000 hits in 0.35 seconds

I guessed sneakster is correct but wait on page 4 ( just skip the earlier entries as they deal with deprogramming the mind and are danger
And evidence of thousands of people not trapped up in semantics.


So sneakster let's just focus on de-re- programming

However since higher than normal voltage is required to erase or De-program an eprom or eeprom I think it advisable to avoid such activity for its danger to the existing chip. It might clear that chip of all program or memory then what?
 

George Layton

Silver Meritorious Patron
OK, so I'm out to provide an alternative viewpoint on the topic of this thread for civil discussion and you "Thetaman" aim to somehow dominate me instead of discussing the matter? Really? How is that supposed to work ?

Also, I had already replied to you when you posted this bit of nastiness.

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
email: [email protected]
Facebook: https://www.


LOL, you're beginning to sound like Marty. Maybe the key to de-programming lies in dismantling the paranoia that scientology creates in the mind.
 

Elronius of Marcabia

Silver Meritorious Patron
Scientolgy is deprogramming by way of disassociation from the very natural
experience of maturing as a human being.

My observation is people leave when they have simply had enough abuse and usually
its some personal afront to themselves, and the realisation they are doing it themselves
like Jason Beghe said in his classic video.

I don't believe anyone can be talked out of scientology even with the best of logic :coolwink:

Just be a friend and treat them as you would anyone else and laugh at the absurdity
not at them but hopefully with them :thumbsup:
 

Thetaman

Patron
The thread topic is cult "deprogramming". The last time I checked, nobody engaged in this "deprogramming" is using Dianetics to do so. One of the anti-Scientology critic stable data is that there is no such thing as a Reactive Mind, either. Therefore engrams and their content are not and never were part of this particular discussion. :eyeroll:


Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
email: [email protected]
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mhobson2011


Dianetics was the foundation for the mind control. You don't have a very strong understanding of how the mind control works. Believe me when I say that there are very specific and important factors at work that are capturing your mind and programming it to think a certain way. You seriously think that sitting in the chair at the command of someone else for 100s to 1000s of hours isn't control? You should try and look deeper into possible meanings and implications of auditing.
 

Gib

Crusader
The thread topic is the so-called "deprogramming" of Scientologists, not an detailed inventory of Mike Hobson's non-Scientology studies. :duh:

How about an on-topic response to my first comment on this thread instead of changing the subject, Gib? :eyeroll:

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
email: [email protected]
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mhobson2011

actually, I thought having a conversation with you fits in nicely with the tread tropic.

Before my involvement with scientology, I am the opposite of your education. I knew nothing of psychology, spiritualism, behaviorism, philosophies, parapsychology, religion(s), mythologies, history; but I did know of science and technology. I was a clean slate to write upon and I read all the scientology basic books and listened to a lot of the lectures including the pdc's.

When I left, I read Napoleon Hill, Dale Carnegie, Autobiography of Ben Franklin, The Story of Philosophy Will Durant, a little of Aristole and Plato, a little of Mein Kampf, Lectures on Rhetoric and Belles Letters by Hugh Blair, A Philosophical Inquiry Into Our Origin of Our Ideas of the Sublime and the Beautiful by Edmund Burke, some English Rhetoric by Dean Wilbur, Le Bon's two books The Crowd & The Psychology of Revolution a few others I can't remember now and lots of websites.

oh, and A piece of Blue Sky, Madman or Messiah, Ruthless, Troublemaker, Counterfeit Dreams, some of Jenna's book, scobee's, wright's, and reitman.

I have to tell yah, that book by Burke and Blair are just fantastic once I got my wits around Sublime, I could not quite get it at first. IMHO, anybody that is a writer or in Hollywood should read those books.

I read all the above in 3 years time, not to brag or anything like that, I just got into, gung ho, from the POV I wanted to read others since I had only read Hubbard and I wanted to compare and see how Hubbard trapped us, or programmed us if you will.
 
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