How to Leave?!

[Idle Morgue]

Tell them that you went to a church service at your local christian church and during the service you realized:
"I put my reactive mind there and can control it - I believe I went CLEAR during that service" and feel like I am cause over matter, energy, space and time and can control everything in my universe and others!!" I am OAT TEA - and have been all along!

"I can now handle my problems, communicate with anyone and feel fantastic". That church really helped me so I am not interested in doing any more Scientology - it just is not worth the time and money!

That should complete your comm cycle with Scientology!!

 

[XenusChild]

well, it begins...the extension course supervisor just texted me, presumably for the lessons I had said I'd send to him this past weekend, and I had said he could call/text me on Monday about it...

 

[Freeminds]

I don't believe you need to tell them anything. Just get out, and stay out.

Nothing good can happen to you inside an Org. Nothing good can come from a relationship with a Hubbardite. They're taught to lie, and they exist for only two purposes: fundraising and the recruitment of more fundraisers.

Scientology is a dangerous fraud, and I'm very glad to know that another piece of their "raw meat" got out before they could get cooked. Scientology ruins lives - don't let it ruin yours.

 

[olska]

Maybe go up to a clam and say "Are you Clear?". When they say they are not, as most will admit to, then ask them "so you have a reactive mind?". They will nod and then ask them "Who is responsible for maintaining your reactive mind?". They will think about it for a second then say "I am". Then say to them "congratulations - you are now Clear".

Wow! I love this post!

And @ XenusChild... loads of good advice on this thread. Just leave.

You don't owe them anything, even if you did say you'd join staff, you'd buy something they're selling, or you'd complete a course you signed up for, it's ok to change your mind and your direction just because you want to. THAT is freedom!

You have not done anything wrong, don't let them guilt you into thinking you have. People change their minds about things alll the time in life, not because of "overts" on the subject or because they are "dillettantes" or for any reason except that the person got new information, or thought it through, and decided it wasn't for them, they wanted to do something different. Especially for a young person (which I'm guessing you are since you are in college) THAT is normal and usual!

Don't give them any more money, no matter what they say -- plead being broke, the economy, unexpected expenses, whatever. And think about whether or not to ask for a refund of your money -- if you want, now is the time to do it; but be prepared for a long hassle about it.

I spent a few thousand (things were cheaper then) and never asked for a refund, still have about $1,000 "on account" (never spent for services) with one of the orgs from 35 years ago when I drifted away... it wasn't worth it to me to fight about it. Along with a few other stupid financial mistakes I've made along the way, I wrote it off long ago as "tuition in the university of life."

(...Currently working on my Ph.D at that university...)

Best of luck to you!

 

[olska]

P.S. to XenusChild:

As a young, college age person, perhaps the "dedication to a worthy cause" aspect of scientology appealed to you? That was so for a lot of us who went through it, we were a bit adrift, looking for something meaningful to do with our lives rather than just running on the money-grubbing treadmill...

Scientology might APPEAR to be, but is indeed NOT a "worthy cause!" Don't be fooled by all that enthusiasm and dedication and "save the world" frenzy.

There are plenty of worthy causes out there in the world for a caring young person to take up and give their time, energy, resources, intelligence, creativity. If that's your thing, do some research into some REAL alternatives. Some are religious; some not -- they all can use a hand, yours will do just fine.

Again, best of luck to you.

 

[NoName]

I like your write-up.

However per the snip above. Why on earth does one need to answer the door or answer the phone or talk to somebody that communicates to one? Why put oneself in such a position? :confused2:

I'm talking about wog comm. Not the two way Scno comm. I would say, "You need to leave now because you are trespassing. I'm calling the police!" I certainly wouldn't wait for an ack to call the cops. Another favorite, "Concealed weapon permit holder! Get the fuck off my property!" The ack was when they ran for it.

 

[Jquepublic]

I think the advice to simply stop talking to them is bad advice - it leaves the door wide open for visits, letters, emails, calls, etc. It's better to get yourself blacklisted and make yourself off limits, especially if you have trouble saying no in the first place.

If someone can't stand the idea of a direct confrontation, then write a letter. But make sure you pull out all the stops and communicate in no uncertain terms that you want no part of Scn and don't want to be contacted again.

 

[Xenu's Boyfriend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8DdXXsSidY

This shit is so fucking scary....OMG. Thanks for posting.

 

[Xenu's Boyfriend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TER4h8_XuCw

 

[XenusChild]

thinking about how much money I've spent on Scientology, in a 4-5 month period:

With PE, BSM, STCC, Life Repair (2 intensives), HQS, Basics books, 2 basics lectures, a couple DVDs, Annual Membership, some money on account, I spent around $4000-$5000, maybe more! Then would come Purif and TRs/Obj for another $1650, then $1500 for basis courses, then another $2000+ for the rest of the basics lectures, then apparently when you're doing the training route to co-audit the Grades, you need to purchase an E-meter, and apparently a back-up E-meter too (so I was told by the reg), which would total over $6000...WOW! At least I don't have to worry about going into the negatives and maxing my credit cards anymore...

 

[BunnySkull]

For me, I think that if someone made it clear that the beginnings/intro services of Scientology can make sense/include some things that are true/applicable, and that that's how they rope you in, and before you know it you'll be stuck, paying for things you may not want to, etc., then I would've thought a lot harder about stepping in there "just to find out for myself". I'm sure info like that is out there, but I didn't really see it, maybe I didn't research enough beforehand.

I've never been involved in Scientology, my personal experience is limited to reading online, books and knowing some exes. I think that exes have made it pretty clear that the early stages are all about roping you in with pretty common sense stuff, love bombing, and feel good vibes. I know from older exes they all talk about the communication course being the big hook the cult used for years. Many people talked about "big wins" on it and then you could pretty much chart the fast and hard demise from there.

I'm glad someone asked you because I'm always interested in what a person who walks in as fresh meat into a org in this day and age is thinking, because even though raw meat are a tiny trickle today, I want total drought conditions. But in this case I think if you do any reading you will find most exes and websites are pretty clear about the "love bombing" and common sense stuff taught at a first as a means to hook people. It seems most exes can only point to their first months or year in the cult as the only truly happy, good time - and after that they were merely suffering and holding on hoping the elevated mood and wins of those first months would return if they just kept trying.

I remember one story broke my heart. This probably occurred in the late 1960's guy in his thirties, pretty unhappy, repressed life. He took the communication course. It was the first time he ever felt like people listened to him and that he was truly able to speak to others. He cried when he spoke about it, it was that big of a deal to him. (Something most of us totally take for granted and can't imagine being that repressed and isolated from others.) So even though he couldn't point to anything else really positive or good about his next 20 years in the cult, it was that one win which kept him holding on. It was so sad to me, made me so angry that the cult would take advantage of him. Had he only gone to a group therapy session or a any number of other venues he probably could have had the same experience, but Hubbard keyed in on this type of individual and his sales pitch and cult was uniquely tuned to not only address these matters but to then use it to control them. To use personal connection as a weapon is truly evil.

Anyway, I'm glad you are finally seeing the light or I should say that you're finally seeing under the initial veneer of the cult. You can always count on Scientologists behaving like Scientologists eventually. $$$$$$$!!!!

I remember when that mole from the SF org was giving reports it was mentioned one of the big problems the cult was having with raw meat was that the person would wander in, they would chat, and sign them up for a course. Then the person would never show up, not answer calls, Poof! At first they couldn't figure out why this kept happening, but then the answer was found - the internet was the culprit! These people would be convinced by the sales pitch and sign up, the go home and google Scientology and then run for the hills. I love it.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

thinking about how much money I've spent on Scientology, in a 4-5 month period:

With PE, BSM, STCC, Life Repair (2 intensives), HQS, Basics books, 2 basics lectures, a couple DVDs, Annual Membership, some money on account, I spent around $4000-$5000, maybe more! Then would come Purif and TRs/Obj for another $1650, then $1500 for basis courses, then another $2000+ for the rest of the basics lectures, then apparently when you're doing the training route to co-audit the Grades, you need to purchase an E-meter, and apparently a back-up E-meter too (so I was told by the reg), which would total over $6000...WOW! At least I don't have to worry about going into the negatives and maxing my credit cards anymore...

You got off lightly!

Please, just leave ...

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I don't believe you need to tell them anything. Just get out, and stay out.

Nothing good can happen to you inside an Org. Nothing good can come from a relationship with a Hubbardite. They're taught to lie, and they exist for only two purposes: fundraising and the recruitment of more fundraisers.

Scientology is a dangerous fraud, and I'm very glad to know that another piece of their "raw meat" got out before they could get cooked. Scientology ruins lives - don't let it ruin yours.

NEW SCIENTOLOGIST
I have the feeling that everyone here is trying to take all
my money. It feels like everyone here is a crazy cult member.

OT STAFF MEMBER
Scientology can handle that.

NEW SCIENTOLOGIST
Handle what? That everyone is crazy?

OT STAFF MEMBER
No, no, no.

NEW SCIENTOLOGIST
Handle that everyone only wants to take my money?

OT STAFF MEMBER
No, no, no. Handle that you are dramatizing.

NEW SCIENTOLOGIST
Really? And how would you handle that?

OT STAFF MEMBER
By getting your next level paid for.

NEW SCIENTOLOGIST
Wouldn't that be taking my money?

OT STAFF MEMBER
No, absolutely not. We would not take your
money, you would give it on your own determinism
after we find your ruin and cave you in.​

 

[NoName]

I think the advice to simply stop talking to them is bad advice - it leaves the door wide open for visits, letters, emails, calls, etc. It's better to get yourself blacklisted and make yourself off limits, especially if you have trouble saying no in the first place.

If someone can't stand the idea of a direct confrontation, then write a letter. But make sure you pull out all the stops and communicate in no uncertain terms that you want no part of Scn and don't want to be contacted again.

The OP came on here and started giving detailed personal information and reported about the CS texting him/her right after it happened. Give it time......

Since I didn't address snail mail earlier - you can mark it "refused" and stick it back in the mailbox. I've also known some people who have marked it "deceaed" rather than simply "refused".

 

[Claire Swazey]

I think the advice to simply stop talking to them is bad advice - it leaves the door wide open for visits, letters, emails, calls, etc. It's better to get yourself blacklisted and make yourself off limits, especially if you have trouble saying no in the first place.

If someone can't stand the idea of a direct confrontation, then write a letter. But make sure you pull out all the stops and communicate in no uncertain terms that you want no part of Scn and don't want to be contacted again.

I found when I left that talking to those idiots at all was problematic and stressful. Every call I took generated more of them. Like a Hydra.

I did not do the thing where you stonewall and don't talk to them and after having been expelled twice, as I have been- if I had it to do all over again, I would. I would walk out and not take any calls. I would not allow any argumentation or salvage attempts. Saying anything to these idiots just invites a lot of blah blah blah. If I were going to suggest saying to them that one wants nothing else to do with Scn, I would then have that be my VERY last statement ever, friendly or non. Every single call, every single communication gets documented and maybe forwarded to OSA. The person gets called in for meter checks, roll backs, HCO or DSA handlings- you name it.
Their student, pc and ethics folders are gone through. Maybe those folders would, anyway, but why give them any ammo?

I work in the legal field. My husband's former military police. One thing we know is that when you are in trouble in the non Scn world, you stonewall. You do NOT engage with the [STRIKE]pigs[/STRIKE] police or the DA. Now, in the non Scn world, you just refer them to your attorney. But you don't have that option in CofS. So you do the next best thing. Stonewall and don't give them anything to feed on.

Because, just like with a hostile DA or police detective who is trying to pin something on you, anything you say can and will be used against you.

There are numerous ways to handle situations, yes. Just because one may favor a different approach doesn't mean the other approaches do not work.

 

[Claire Swazey]

The OP came on here and started giving detailed personal information and reported about the CS texting him/her right after it happened. Give it time......

Since I didn't address snail mail earlier - you can mark it "refused" and stick it back in the mailbox. I've also known some people who have marked it "deceaed" rather than simply "refused".

I like that. The only caveat I'd have about putting "deceased" on there is that the post office may notice that and start not giving the person any of their mail cuz, hey, they're dead.

I like "refused" but I see why some people would want to say "deceased", because they want the cult off their backs.

One thing I did- I opened a po box. Now, I was gonna anyway, true. But I did. All my mail went there. Then, when things changed, I closed the po box leaving NO forwarding address. I manually changed my address with my correspondents and creditors. Obviously, I omitted the cult from that. I was a churchie then, but I already was thoroughly annoyed by their goddamn junk mail.

 

[Jquepublic]

If you're easily manipulated, then unless you hit hard enough, the next likely step is to offer you an ARCX session before and after which you will be love bombed within an inch of your life and coerced - "gently persuaded" - to remain rather than risk "upsetting" the good, caring people who only want to see you go free. I initiated leaving several times. It took me 10 years to make it stick and the only way I managed that was avoiding the usual lines.

I've been on both sides of this - I spent years on the recovery end, working to keep people in the fold so to speak - and if you want out, you can't leave any room for negotiation.

 

[Boson Wog Stark]

Yeah college and grad school are really important, and I'm not stopping school for anything. That's one of the things that has bothered me about some of the Scientologists I've talked to. They hint that Scn is more important than school, that I should become an auditor instead, it's as technical as what I want to study, etc.

College is important? I suppose that's why Hubbard flunked out of George Washington University and started a cult? Please read Russell Miller's Barefaced Messiah, to understand the history and development of the cult you're in, including Hubbard's colorful and true history -- not the one fabricated by the cult. Miller's book is free and legal online.

David Miscavige is a high school dropout. You're spending money on college the cult wants. This will never fly with them. If you have mental health issues, seek help from qualified counselors, not a brainwashing cult disguised as a religion.

 

[RolandRB]

This video will help. Just watch it and you will be seeing your future as it will be if you don't leave.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeihphUeXVs[/video]

Frightened a bit? I hope so.

I can't work out what is going on.

 

[NoName]

I like that. The only caveat I'd have about putting "deceased" on there is that the post office may notice that and start not giving the person any of their mail cuz, hey, they're dead.

I like "refused" but I see why some people would want to say "deceased", because they want the cult off their backs.

One thing I did- I opened a po box. Now, I was gonna anyway, true. But I did. All my mail went there. Then, when things changed, I closed the po box leaving NO forwarding address. I manually changed my address with my correspondents and creditors. Obviously, I omitted the cult from that. I was a churchie then, but I already was thoroughly annoyed by their goddamn junk mail.

Good point - I used a fake last name, so no biggie when I wrote deceased. Also, I started feeding the mail man baked goods, just to cover all bases.