How to Wipe Out Miscaviage

IMMORTAL

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Oh, there's an answer. a PR answer... something along the lines of 'a new leader will be chosen by a (mythical) council of Church Elders". If I had to guess.

Or..... LRH looked down the track and named his successors all the way up to the date of "his" return. They are the chosen ones.

(Ooops. Now I see HH just covered that, too!)
 
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Lovinglife625

Patron with Honors
I think it will be CST managing from then on, and maybe no single person ever again.

Actually CST was set up to be a last resort that could start organized scientology all over again should RTC, CSI and the like go down. See a posting I did about how to remove Miscavige corporately which includes a note about what CST could do:

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...porate-power-how-guide-osa-64955/#post1215279

On the 1,000 to 1 chance that someone from OSA who has doubts will read this and want to look into it, here are some thoughts for you about legally removing David Miscavige. Hi David!


"To OSA folks who lurk here and who in their hearts would like to see David Miscavige removed from power:

As a corporate, legal matter it could be quite easy to remove Miscavige.

All you really need is the support of whoever are the RTC Trustees and a copy of the RTC bylaws that show how to remove board members including the Chairman of the Board.

If it is still like it was in my day when I helped design such corporate papers, RTC is legally run and controlled by three “bodies”: the trustees, the directors and the officers.

You may find that it is still true that there are between 3 and 7 trustees and that their sole purpose is to elect the board of directors. Trustees must be given access to all records of the corporation, they fill vacancies in the board and they have the power to remove a board member. I believe that to remove a director the trustees must vote unanimously to do so and they can remove a director when the director no longer qualifies to be a member of the board. Possibly though you only need a majority of trustees to do this. Check your current bylaws.

As far as directors go, there are maybe 3-5 of them as per the bylaws and one is listed as the Chairman of the Board (which will be Miscavige). As per the bylaws, at least this was true of the bylaws we prepared in the early 80s, no director can be a trustee.

The board members have normal corporate powers generally assigned to board members. This includes them appointing the normal corporate officers such as president, secretary and treasurer.

The senior most power in those three groups within RTC (the trustees, the directors and the officers) is thus the trustees through their power to control the directors who in turn control company business via the officers or otherwise.

As David Miscavige is a director he could not also be a trustee unless the RTC bylaws were changed on this point since my days in there. This means the trustees can remove Miscavige and he only controls them through intimidation and the like.

Reasons for removal of a director by a trustee can be found in the RTC bylaws. They used to, and probably still do, include such things as:

1) no longer being in good standing with the mother church (CSI);

2) no longer a proven executive as shown by statistics (your empty orgs betray the fact that there must be horrible key statistics under Miscavige’s reign);

3) violating the goals and purposes of RTC as will be laid out in the bylaws. Check them out. They likely include things like having to follow the creed of scientology, having to comply with the laws and having to follow some listed star-high goals of RTC. Easily you will find reasons here to remove Miscavige.

So you OSA legal folks who want to remove Miscavige with a view towards stopping the horrid abuses he oversees and/or carries out just need to get the trustees to remove him.

Perhaps do something like this:

a) find out who are the trustees and board members of RTC and list them;

b) just for the heck of it, do the same for the “mother church” CSI;

c) find who on those lists are no longer still active in the management of organized scientology or who otherwise are not there and thus no longer meet the qualifications of the positions as per the bylaws;

d) now see who is left as the trustees and directors of RTC and CSI once you take off the list those covered in “c” above;

e) what you have left are the current trustees and directors of RTC and CSI. Look at the trustees of RTC. Can you trust them as ones who could potentially stand up to Miscavige?

If the answer to “e” is “yes” do up a unanimous written consent of the trustees pointing out how Miscavige is no longer qualified to be a director and removing him as Chairman of the Board. Do the same for any other directors in his camp also doing abuses.

Take this and those trustees and any director willing to fight with you to one of the main scientology corporate attorneys saying you are the main officials of the corporation, you are hiring him/her to help you remove this cancer from your organization and want it carried out immediately. Having an officer with you, like maybe the president, could also be helpful although not mandatory. If you know any top corporate scientology attorneys who already show they dislike the abuses it would be a plus to go with them. Probably best to stay away from attorneys who have also personally represented Miscavige and who anyway are not likely highly competent corporate attorneys (like Yingling or Drecher).

He/she can tell you exactly how to do it. Work out the details of carrying this out such as escorting Miscavige off the premises, getting his keys to company cars, houses, etc. removing him as signatory of any accounts and the like. As well include the internal PR of announcing it to all staff.

It would be a plus if you also could get the trustees/directors of CSI to declare Miscavige no longer in good standing with organized scientology. This alone would legally disqualify him from being a board member of RTC.

Once you have done the above, clean up the trustees/directors in CST and CSI to ensure you just have people who are not abusive and not puppets to Miscavige.

(As a side note, if you could only get to the trustees/directors of CST who want to see the abuses end, there is a clause in a CST/RTC contract where CST can cancel the contract to RTC and the intellectual property rights that go with same should RTC place the rights in danger. I suggest Miscavige has placed them in danger in many ways, not the least of which is the utter collapse you are seeing in scientology worldwide. The attorneys who could have helped on this matter were Sherman Lenske, Meade Emory and Leon Misterix but that goes way back to the early 80s. I don't know if any are still around though. I could give more details of this as well if needed. Doing this would be poetic justice as CST is really setup to be the way to start organized scientology all over again should the current structure with RTC. CSI, etc collapse. It was designed that way with a view towards defending against attacks from outside the structure. How just would it be if it was used from the inside to oust the bad guys as above).

OK look, I know this may not be possible as perhaps none of you OSA types who read this will have the courage to try it. And anyway who knows who are the trustees/directors now? Maybe none of them have the courage to do this either.

But it’s worth looking into and possibly would be a lot less difficult than you might think. Plus, this posting is likely going to end up in some OSA files somewhere and who knows who will read it some time down the line and realize how easy it really is to remove an abusive dictator like Miscavige or even, through CST, start organized scientology all over again.

I have been asked a number of times to help support removing Miscavige from power through some form of coup and declined each time. That is not because I did not care. I declined because I wish to have nothing to do with organized scientology in the future and have no desire to be a scientologist in any way. I also advised against the plans suggested to me as I felt that they were ill advised if not illegal.

The above is my final response as someone who helped design the whole corporate system, who once ran OSA and who ran legal outside of the courts for more years than anyone else.

Once again, those running organized scientology in a destructive way are far easier to remove from the inside than from the outside.

If you want to take out the great abuser, get some courage and do it. Check out the above as a possible legal way to carry it out if you and some trustees are willing.

If it doesn’t work fine, figure out your own way. Just stop complaining about Miscavige and his abuses if you are in a position to do something about it yet choose to do nothing.

This corporate stuff is really designed to stop attacks from outside of it be they civil actions or governmental actions. It is not nearly as strong for stopping attempts from inside of it to remove bad leaders. It’s doable if the trustees agree. You just have to have some courage and do it!!

Realize that Miscavige is truly a coward and controls you through fear and intimidation. Get over it and do something, legally of course. If you don’t and you are in a position to do something, you become just as responsible for the abuses as Miscavige IMO.

FWIW, some random thoughts.

Larry Brennan"

Another front anyone?

CST was part of a corporate puzzle set up by the same team that brought you CSI and RTC. That it was designed to be a backup was not a new strategy as we were setting up backup corporations as far back as 1975 to take over should the then corporations of organized scientology go under. At the time they were known as the "Greater Churches of Scientology". CST was just a far better worked out plan, legally, to do the same.

I know as I directly worked on both back up plans as well as many other corporate contingency plans.

The problem with getting trustees/directors from CST to take control from Miscavige is the same as getting trustees/directors from RTC to otherwise take control. And that primarily is for one of three reasons IMO: 1) they are afraid to make a move and fight Miscavige, 2) they are so "mind controlled" as to think Miscavige is good for scientology and/or should not be removed or 3) they do not know that they actually have the power to remove him instantly.

I don't believe that there is anyone left in OSA, for example, that truly understands their corporate structure nor how to "beat it" from inside.

Another posting I made later on the above thread was:

I think you get this quite well. Miscavige probably is dumb enough to finish the job of wiping out the very people who have spent good portions of their lives to support him and keep him in power. He has proven this over and over again for decades. He was the most immature in a group of immature kiddies who made Hubbard their god and did his bidding no matter how wrong or insane. Hubbard often turned on them (like the parts of the GO that never committed crimes, many CMO execs, etc.) and Miscavige does the same. For those interested in seeing abuse, lies and the like end I agree this can be win win no matter which way it goes.

Also can you just imagine the entertainment value should there be an internal "holy war" with two or more sides spending millions of organized scientology money to fight for control of it all? Courts try not to get involved with "religious disputes" but they would be forced to get involved with this one if only to decide who had what corporate powers and thus the right to appoint or remove people.

One of the many things that Miscavige is too dumb to grasp is that he could win every single legal battle (labor cases, fending off inquiries, criminal actions started by government departments, even suits for control of the "empire", etc.) and STILL completely lose the war. This would be because of the truth getting out in these actions causing orgs to empty, big donors to leave and organized scientology to die the death of cash starvation. As long as the actions are legal and get out the truth and help stop the many horrors found in organized scientology I for one support them.

Nothing may come of this particular suggestion but it does have high entertainment potential if nothing else.

Anon of the Opera!!!

FWIW to you
Larry
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
Actually CST was set up to be a last resort that could start organized scientology all over again should RTC, CSI and the like go down. See a posting I did about how to remove Miscavige corporately which includes a note about what CST could do:

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...porate-power-how-guide-osa-64955/#post1215279



CST was part of a corporate puzzle set up by the same team that brought you CSI and RTC. That it was designed to be a backup was not a new strategy as we were setting up backup corporations as far back as 1975 to take over should the then corporations of organized scientology go under. At the time they were known as the "Greater Churches of Scientology". CST was just a far better worked out plan, legally, to do the same.

I know as I directly worked on both back up plans as well as many other corporate contingency plans.

The problem with getting trustees/directors from CST to take control from Miscavige is the same as getting trustees/directors from RTC to otherwise take control. And that primarily is for one of three reasons IMO: 1) they are afraid to make a move and fight Miscavige, 2) they are so "mind controlled" as to think Miscavige is good for scientology and/or should not be removed or 3) they do not know that they actually have the power to remove him instantly.

I don't believe that there is anyone left in OSA, for example, that truly understands their corporate structure nor how to "beat it" from inside.

Another posting I made later on the above thread was:



FWIW to you
Larry
Thanks very much Larry :)
 

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Ned Kelly

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Hi Larry,

Great post.

I was wondering what the legal requirements are with the establishment of a trust and the recording and reporting requirements of said trust? Does the trust have to lodge corporate information such as appointments and resignations of trustees to any governing body? This would also go for any changes in the trust's by-laws.

Furthermore, if such records must be lodged with a government body under what circumstances would that government agency by required to release that information to an inquiring public or parishioner?

Also, who was the settlor on the creation of CST? And as CST is a trust, then who is/are the beneficiaries?

If there are beneficiaries, which it would seem to me there have to be for a Trust to exist, then would not the beneficiaries have the legal right to argue that the Trustee's are not acting in the best interests of the beneficiaries?

I have very little knowledge of trust law, and none regarding trust law in the US. So please excuse me if my questions are inane.

Thanks
 

IMMORTAL

Patron Meritorious
Actually CST was set up to be a last resort that could start organized scientology all over again should RTC, CSI and the like go down. See a posting I did about how to remove Miscavige corporately which includes a note about what CST could do:

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...porate-power-how-guide-osa-64955/#post1215279



CST was part of a corporate puzzle set up by the same team that brought you CSI and RTC. That it was designed to be a backup was not a new strategy as we were setting up backup corporations as far back as 1975 to take over should the then corporations of organized scientology go under. At the time they were known as the "Greater Churches of Scientology". CST was just a far better worked out plan, legally, to do the same.

I know as I directly worked on both back up plans as well as many other corporate contingency plans.

The problem with getting trustees/directors from CST to take control from Miscavige is the same as getting trustees/directors from RTC to otherwise take control. And that primarily is for one of three reasons IMO: 1) they are afraid to make a move and fight Miscavige, 2) they are so "mind controlled" as to think Miscavige is good for scientology and/or should not be removed or 3) they do not know that they actually have the power to remove him instantly.

I don't believe that there is anyone left in OSA, for example, that truly understands their corporate structure nor how to "beat it" from inside.

Another posting I made later on the above thread was:



FWIW to you
Larry


Larry, this is brilliant! Thanks for posting this. Hopefully, someone who can will take it and run with it!
 

Thrak

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Successor?

Trying to think of who looks and acts crazy enough to properly represent the Church of Scientology, mankind's only hope for salvation.

And the winner is...........................


NORMAN "StarkRavingMad" STARKEY

I vote Gary Busey

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Lovinglife625

Patron with Honors
Hi Larry,

Great post.

I was wondering what the legal requirements are with the establishment of a trust and the recording and reporting requirements of said trust? Does the trust have to lodge corporate information such as appointments and resignations of trustees to any governing body? This would also go for any changes in the trust's by-laws.

Furthermore, if such records must be lodged with a government body under what circumstances would that government agency by required to release that information to an inquiring public or parishioner?

Also, who was the settlor on the creation of CST? And as CST is a trust, then who is/are the beneficiaries?

If there are beneficiaries, which it would seem to me there have to be for a Trust to exist, then would not the beneficiaries have the legal right to argue that the Trustee's are not acting in the best interests of the beneficiaries?

I have very little knowledge of trust law, and none regarding trust law in the US. So please excuse me if my questions are inane.

Thanks

Hey Ned. Actually CST is not a trust, it is a non profit corporation legally similiar to RTC, CSI, CofS FSO, etc.

As far as I remember, like RTC, it had trustees who appointed directors, directors and officers with the exception that it also had "Special Directors". These "Special Directors" were attorneys who actually had no real power and who could be removed by the scientologists who were the trustees and/or regular directors. The regular directors who had to be in good standing with CSI (the "mother church") could overrule all decisions of the special directors who anyway were restricted to dealing with very limited matters such as obtaining and keeping tax exempt status with the IRS. The special directors were window dressing to help get tax exempt status from the IRS.

There were many trusts in organized scientology which were mainly glorified bank accounts. A founding document of the trust would be drawn up saying who runs it (the "trustees") and it would include language to help pass the IRS' "organizational test" for tax exempt status (EG: saying no inurement of its monies to private individuals, no lobbying, etc. as per the rules of section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code).

We would literately dream up these trusts as "safe pools" of money such as a trust to get percents of moneys from orgs for their use of the scientology films, or a trust to collect a percent of FSO's money to help fund management, whatever. One of the main trusts back then (CSRT or "Church of Scientology Religious Trust") was an idea I took up with me to Seattle one of the many times I met with Leon Misterix and Meade Emory who were two of our key attorneys (btw they were also two of the special directors of CST) who drafted the trust document.

Seriously the main purpose of most of the trusts were to get monies out of one area (say from local orgs or from the public) and put it in a pool that could be controlled by management under some trust document which we felt could insulate the money better from potential litigants or claims of inurement than should, for example, those monies had just gone to the main management corporation - CSI.

Trusts were used like this in a big way as part of and after that whole 1981-1983 "corporate sortout". But they were also used years before that to a more limited degree. For example in the mid 70s we completely dreamed up the "United States Churches of Scientology Trust" and put monies into it that were in dicey corporations/accounts previously that would have cost us dearly with the IRS. We lied that that trust document was a "memoralization of a verbal trust" and it was always intended that the money from Flag etc. would be held accordingly.

The corporate evolution of the early 80s while far exceeding the levels of sophistication of previous corporate shell games was not unique. We've been playing such shell games, lying about the real controls, hiding money, etc. long before that corporate sortout.

The corporate sortout could have been the end to the lies but Miscavige made it even worse than before by taking over total dictatorial control of the organizations, the staffs and the monies making an even bigger sham of the corporate structure than even what it was when the GO covertly controlled all the legal fictions.

Long story really but the above is the basic, bottom-line simplicity of it.

Larry
 

Ned Kelly

Patron
Hey Ned. Actually CST is not a trust, it is a non profit corporation legally similiar to RTC, CSI, CofS FSO, etc.

As far as I remember, like RTC, it had trustees who appointed directors, directors and officers with the exception that it also had "Special Directors". These "Special Directors" were attorneys who actually had no real power and who could be removed by the scientologists who were the trustees and/or regular directors. The regular directors who had to be in good standing with CSI (the "mother church") could overrule all decisions of the special directors who anyway were restricted to dealing with very limited matters such as obtaining and keeping tax exempt status with the IRS. The special directors were window dressing to help get tax exempt status from the IRS.

There were many trusts in organized scientology which were mainly glorified bank accounts. A founding document of the trust would be drawn up saying who runs it (the "trustees") and it would include language to help pass the IRS' "organizational test" for tax exempt status (EG: saying no inurement of its monies to private individuals, no lobbying, etc. as per the rules of section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code).

We would literately dream up these trusts as "safe pools" of money such as a trust to get percents of moneys from orgs for their use of the scientology films, or a trust to collect a percent of FSO's money to help fund management, whatever. One of the main trusts back then (CSRT or "Church of Scientology Religious Trust") was an idea I took up with me to Seattle one of the many times I met with Leon Misterix and Meade Emory who were two of our key attorneys (btw they were also two of the special directors of CST) who drafted the trust document.

Seriously the main purpose of most of the trusts were to get monies out of one area (say from local orgs or from the public) and put it in a pool that could be controlled by management under some trust document which we felt could insulate the money better from potential litigants or claims of inurement than should, for example, those monies had just gone to the main management corporation - CSI.

Trusts were used like this in a big way as part of and after that whole 1981-1983 "corporate sortout". But they were also used years before that to a more limited degree. For example in the mid 70s we completely dreamed up the "United States Churches of Scientology Trust" and put monies into it that were in dicey corporations/accounts previously that would have cost us dearly with the IRS. We lied that that trust document was a "memoralization of a verbal trust" and it was always intended that the money from Flag etc. would be held accordingly.

The corporate evolution of the early 80s while far exceeding the levels of sophistication of previous corporate shell games was not unique. We've been playing such shell games, lying about the real controls, hiding money, etc. long before that corporate sortout.

The corporate sortout could have been the end to the lies but Miscavige made it even worse than before by taking over total dictatorial control of the organizations, the staffs and the monies making an even bigger sham of the corporate structure than even what it was when the GO covertly controlled all the legal fictions.

Long story really but the above is the basic, bottom-line simplicity of it.

Larry
Thanks for clarifying Larry.

I suppose where I am going is really trying to find an avenue by which we could get our hands on a list of the current CST Trustees. If the Trustees elect the Directors, including the Chairman, and the Directors cannot be a Trustee, then are not these the people who need to be convinced.

If it is a corporation, then I presume that there is a shareholder or holders. I am guessing that to make matters a little convoluted and to ensure the Trustee's toe the line, that the shareholder/s are probably one or more of the director's. Sort of circular in structure so that the Directors can only be nominated by a Trustee, and the Director is arms length from the Trustee, but controls who is appointed as a Trustee.

Purely speculation on my part but maybe you can shed some light.

Anyway it seems it would be through the Trustees that one could oust DM. But to do that the first step would be to know who these Trustees are, and how they are appointed? Can you shed any light on this?
 

Ulf K. Maier

Patron Meritorious
To Mr. Larry Brennan

Actually CST was set up to be a last resort that could start organized scientology all over again should RTC, CSI and the like go down. See a posting I did about how to remove Miscavige corporately which includes a note about what CST could do:

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...porate-power-how-guide-osa-64955/#post1215279



CST was part of a corporate puzzle set up by the same team that brought you CSI and RTC. That it was designed to be a backup was not a new strategy as we were setting up backup corporations as far back as 1975 to take over should the then corporations of organized scientology go under. At the time they were known as the "Greater Churches of Scientology". CST was just a far better worked out plan, legally, to do the same.

I know as I directly worked on both back up plans as well as many other corporate contingency plans.

The problem with getting trustees/directors from CST to take control from Miscavige is the same as getting trustees/directors from RTC to otherwise take control. And that primarily is for one of three reasons IMO: 1) they are afraid to make a move and fight Miscavige, 2) they are so "mind controlled" as to think Miscavige is good for scientology and/or should not be removed or 3) they do not know that they actually have the power to remove him instantly.

I don't believe that there is anyone left in OSA, for example, that truly understands their corporate structure nor how to "beat it" from inside.

Another posting I made later on the above thread was:



FWIW to you
Larry

Hello, Larry, and thanks so very much for the clarifications you've made. I read your declaration, and it was the correct indication all around. Well done!

I have a question, if you'd care to respond:

Based on the information I've read, Russ Bellin of CST is currently in the RPF/Hole at Int. Wouldn't he have had to have been in the SO, not to mention appointed by Miscavige, to find himself in this predicament?

Speculation:
Maybe Bellin's not a director or trustee of CST, or got busted somehow or other. Maybe Miscavige has suitable blackmail on him, and so can coerce compliance.
 

Lovinglife625

Patron with Honors
Thanks for clarifying Larry.

I suppose where I am going is really trying to find an avenue by which we could get our hands on a list of the current CST Trustees. If the Trustees elect the Directors, including the Chairman, and the Directors cannot be a Trustee, then are not these the people who need to be convinced.

If it is a corporation, then I presume that there is a shareholder or holders. I am guessing that to make matters a little convoluted and to ensure the Trustee's toe the line, that the shareholder/s are probably one or more of the director's. Sort of circular in structure so that the Directors can only be nominated by a Trustee, and the Director is arms length from the Trustee, but controls the who is appointed as a Trustee.

Purely speculation on my part but maybe you can shed some light.

Anyway it seems it would be through the Trustees that one could oust DM. But to do that the first step would be to know who these Trustees are, and how they are appointed? Can you shed any light on this?

Hey again Ned

One point to clarify is that just because both CST and RTC (as well as other scientology corporations) have "trustees" who appoint directors, does not make them trusts. They are non profit corporations, not trusts.

There are no shareholders nor members of CST, just the trustees, directors and officers.

There are no shareholders in the other main "church" corporations such as RTC, CSI and the orgs. They too are non profit corporations. Instead of shareholders that you will get in for profit companies, they have "trustees" who appoint directors and do not hold that position as trustees for money, or otherwise comtemplation of profit.

Check out the below link for how to find out who are officers, directors and trustees of California corporations:

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-...rate-power-how-guide-osa-64955/2/#post1215814

CST, RTC and CSI are all California non profit corporations and using a couple different hotlinks contained in the above link could help anyone find out who currently holds the above positions.

And yes, per my original post it would be the corporate trustees who could best do something about removing David Miscavige from corporate authority.

I hope this helps. Am off to bed....

Larry
 

Lovinglife625

Patron with Honors
Hello, Larry, and thanks so very much for the clarifications you've made. I read your declaration, and it was the correct indication all around. Well done!

I have a question, if you'd care to respond:

Based on the information I've read, Russ Bellin of CST is currently in the RPF/Hole at Int. Wouldn't he have had to have been in the SO, not to mention appointed by Miscavige, to find himself in this predicament?

Speculation:
Maybe Bellin's not a director or trustee of CST, or got busted somehow or other. Maybe Miscavige has suitable blackmail on him, and so can coerce compliance.

Hey Ulf

There are others with first hand information about Russ/the hole and I would rather not speculate.

I don't know how to explain it more simply than to say do not look at the corporate structure to try to understand the real powers and controls in organized scientology. Also, do not look at command charts to understand it either.

That is because they are covers to mask the real control by David Miscavige. He completely controls organized scientology in part through the unincorporated Sea Org.

He does and since 1981 always has bypassed the command channels and corporate structures to secretly run organized scientology.

It's a shell game Ulf and it does NOT respresent the truth. Miscavige has even perjured himself lying about how the corporate command structures are real and that he does not really control it all. In fact I even wrote a book on it which you can see as the first part of my blogspot: larrybren.blogspot.com

I hope this helps. Got to go.
 

Ulf K. Maier

Patron Meritorious
Hey Ulf

There are others with first hand information about Russ/the hole and I would rather not speculate.

I don't know how to explain it more simply than to say do not look at the corporate structure to try to understand the real powers and controls in organized scientology. Also, do not look at command charts to understand it either.

That is because they are covers to mask the real control by David Miscavige. He completely controls organized scientology in part through the unincorporated Sea Org.

He does and since 1981 always has bypassed the command channels and corporate structures to secretly run organized scientology.

It's a shell game Ulf and it does NOT respresent the truth. Miscavige has even perjured himself lying about how the corporate command structures are real and that he does not really control it all. In fact I even wrote a book on it which you can see as the first part of my blogspot: larrybren.blogspot.com

I hope this helps. Got to go.

Yes, thanks! :hattip:
 

riptide

Patron with Honors
I vote Gary Busey

gary-busey.jpg

Oh thats sad...this probably because of his motorcycle accident. This photo reminds me a photo of Ron Hubbard taken in the 80's, that appeared in a magazine article, forgot which one. Hubbard was half toothless, long scraggly patches of hair, horrible skin and the most crazed bizarre smirk on his face....it was revolting and he was obviously insane just by looking at him. Gary looks about 500% better than Hubbard did in that photo. I'm sure DM feels the church has a much better image with him at the helm than Hubbard was, especially since he probably saw Hubbard and his condition after he died.

That probably was not pretty.
 

Kathy (ImOut)

Gold Meritorious Patron
I had to think about a response to this thread for a bit of time.

How to wipe out Miscaviage? Stand him in a big open field here in TX and let our nasty 60 mph gusts of wind blow him away. He's not all that big. And unless he's gotten fat, it shouldn't be a problem. And just maybe a fluke tornado will drop him in the middle of some ocean where a great white is just waiting for a little morsel of food.

Sorry, I just can't be serious about this thread.

Since being on this message board and reading various books from Ex SO members, I'm surprised that 10 guys at Int haven't just flattened him.

I know what it's like to be physically and emotionally abused and I understand that fear that goes with that. But NOTHING, not even "eternity" is worth the crap that DM pulls and gets away with.
 

oneonewasaracecar

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There *is* no answer. There can't be. If there were, Davey would have to have him murdered :)
You are absolutely right. That is why his departure and the ensuing brouhaha might well spell the end for the organization.

Also, I would give anything to see the look on his face when the question was asked even more than hearing the answer.
 
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