Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
I think the real problem with Hub and children is that he was self interested and hypocritical. He wrote some nice stuff in Child Dianetics but didn't abide by it. I don't think you can blame his writings (about children) for anything that goes on in the cult re children. It's a cult, they're greedy, they're mean, they don't abide by any of their directives and policies when it gets in the way of someone's power trip or getting money in. Simply put, tech and policy really don't mean anything to them. I'm not saying that tech and policy are these great enlightened things- I just think that, hey, it's a cult.
It's a bit like when one sees some true crime thing or an appalling news story about someone doing something abusive and batshit crazy and there's all this agonizing about why did the person do that. Well, short answer- he or she was a nut. That's all you need to know. Why did that guy kill all those people in the theater in July? He's a nut. Why did Columbine happen? They were a pair of nuts. Why does CofS do that stuff? They're a cult. They suck. They're never going to refrain from sucking or from bieng a cult. Not if Marty takes over, not if Marty doesn't take over, not if DM stays, not if DM leaves, never ever. There's your answer.
I'm going to talk about a couple of things I've said about Hubbardism and children that had garnered some fervent responses.
1) The "children are thetans in small bodies" precept.
Of course a Scn'ist would think that. "Thetan" means spirit. Soul. Everyone is one/has one. Nobody in any religion believes that a soul goes through infancy, puberty, young adulthood, middle age adulthood, then old age with possible senility then death. Yes, they believe in spiritual development but they don't believe in cute little pre school souls that one day will end up being crotchety old man you kids get off my lawn souls.
2) Hubbard's infamous little kids and psychos reference. I take that to mean that he thought kids were pretty bad on impulse control and don't conduct themselves as adults would. As I said before, Lord of the Flies comes to mind (as does the South Park episode where the kids are cut loose by their dimwitted parents to fend for themselves). Yes, fiction, but fiction is a reflection of societies and current opinions.
If four year olds ran the world, there'd be a lot of hitting and probably killing.
So why did Hubbard abuse (yes, I said "abuse". Because he did) and neglect children and foster/allow/implement the same in the cult?
Because he didn't care about you. He didn't care about me. He didn't care about his family. He didn't care about the other guys' family.
What did he care about? Himself only.
DM's the same. He doesn't like people. Not his family, not senior staff, not people who do everything he wants them to do, not people who defy him, not people who agree with him, not people who help him- nobody.
Children are in his way. Adults are in his way. Adolescents are in his way.
Same with Hubbard.
Someone believing in a soul that does not go through pupal/larval stages, so to speak, or in the very lengthy and arduous psychological development of children is not mutually inclusive with someone just looking for an excuse to neglect or hurt a child.
They already have that excuse. In the cult.
It. Is. A. Cult.
Cults. Are. Mean.
It's a bit like when one sees some true crime thing or an appalling news story about someone doing something abusive and batshit crazy and there's all this agonizing about why did the person do that. Well, short answer- he or she was a nut. That's all you need to know. Why did that guy kill all those people in the theater in July? He's a nut. Why did Columbine happen? They were a pair of nuts. Why does CofS do that stuff? They're a cult. They suck. They're never going to refrain from sucking or from bieng a cult. Not if Marty takes over, not if Marty doesn't take over, not if DM stays, not if DM leaves, never ever. There's your answer.
I'm going to talk about a couple of things I've said about Hubbardism and children that had garnered some fervent responses.
1) The "children are thetans in small bodies" precept.
Of course a Scn'ist would think that. "Thetan" means spirit. Soul. Everyone is one/has one. Nobody in any religion believes that a soul goes through infancy, puberty, young adulthood, middle age adulthood, then old age with possible senility then death. Yes, they believe in spiritual development but they don't believe in cute little pre school souls that one day will end up being crotchety old man you kids get off my lawn souls.
2) Hubbard's infamous little kids and psychos reference. I take that to mean that he thought kids were pretty bad on impulse control and don't conduct themselves as adults would. As I said before, Lord of the Flies comes to mind (as does the South Park episode where the kids are cut loose by their dimwitted parents to fend for themselves). Yes, fiction, but fiction is a reflection of societies and current opinions.
If four year olds ran the world, there'd be a lot of hitting and probably killing.
So why did Hubbard abuse (yes, I said "abuse". Because he did) and neglect children and foster/allow/implement the same in the cult?
Because he didn't care about you. He didn't care about me. He didn't care about his family. He didn't care about the other guys' family.
What did he care about? Himself only.
DM's the same. He doesn't like people. Not his family, not senior staff, not people who do everything he wants them to do, not people who defy him, not people who agree with him, not people who help him- nobody.
Children are in his way. Adults are in his way. Adolescents are in his way.
Same with Hubbard.
Someone believing in a soul that does not go through pupal/larval stages, so to speak, or in the very lengthy and arduous psychological development of children is not mutually inclusive with someone just looking for an excuse to neglect or hurt a child.
They already have that excuse. In the cult.
It. Is. A. Cult.
Cults. Are. Mean.
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