Hubbard on sex with little boys

[TomKat]

I have been confused by that idea myself. It brings to mind Manson. How did he do it?

In spite of all the high-fallutin' policy, on staff, the loudest yeller has always been considered the biggest thetan. DM had the most ferocious personality in the game of winner take all. He wore out Mary Sue, remember.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

There is conned and there is forced/bad controlled, both methinks

Seriously? I thought OT's were supposed to be well above all that ... (most non cultic people would be above all that and would certainly have resolved things by now!).

 

[Koot]

In spite of all the high-fallutin' policy, on staff, the loudest yeller has always been considered the biggest thetan. DM had the most ferocious personality in the game of winner take all. He wore out Mary Sue, remember.

I have read several stories along that line. I still don't know why 4 or 5 execs don't just walk in and handle him by force. Boot his ass out and declare him! Stinks of other factors like gov. goons etc.

 

[Koot]

Seriously? I thought OT's were supposed to be well above all that ... (most non cultic people would be above all that).

One would hope, but, then there is the proof of the pudding. I have to conclude that there are OTHER forces at work here.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I have read several stories along that line. I still don't know why 4 or 5 execs don't just walk in and handle him by force. Boot his ass out and declare him! Stinks of other factors like gov. goons etc.

I know why ... they're robots (until they escape the cult and start to take back their personalities).

 

[I told you I was trouble]

One would hope, but, then there is the proof of the pudding. I have to conclude that there are OTHER forces at work here.

Like being robotic?

 

[Koot]

Suggest you read the leaks provided, notably Brainwashing Manual Parallels.

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Messiah or Madman?​

The book L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? has been published in three English language editions, each further revised and updated
(1987, 1992, and 1996.) There is also a hardbound Russian language edition that became available in 2005.

Unlike most other books on Scientology, 'Messiah or Madman?' examines both the "positives" and "negatives" of the subject. Part of its purpose was to inoculate others from the tricks and abuses of Scientology.

An excerpt from the book flap for the 464 page 1996 edition:

"I have high hopes of smashing my name
into history so violently that it will take a
legendary form even if all the books are
destroyed. That goal is the real goal as far as
I am concerned. Things which stand too
consistently in my way make me nervous.
It's a pretty big job. In a hundred years
Roosevelt will have been forgotten - which
gives some idea of the magnitude of my
attempt. And all this boils and froths inside
my head...
"Psychiatrists, reaching the high of the
dusty desk, tell us that Alexander, Genghis
Khan and Napoleon were madmen. I know
they're maligning some very intelligent
gentlemen."

L. Ron Hubbard wrote these words in a letter to
his first wife in 1938.

In 1950 he wrote the bestseller 'Dianetics, the
Modern Science of Mental Health. This inspired a
layman oriented mental health movement which,
ultimately, developed into Scientology, the most
profitable of the money-making new religions.

Hubbard's early Dianetic and Scientology writings
borrow freely from Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, and
the founder of General Semantics, Alfred Korzybski.

And P.T. Barnum appears to have been an inspiration.

Hubbard also took much from the writings of Aleister
Crowley - self-proclaimed "Beast 666." This is a source
of embarrassment for the Scientology Church, which
is determined to achieve broad public acceptance.

In the 1960s Hubbard incorporated Brainwashing
methodologies into the subject. He established the
"Fair Game Policy" which states that an "enemy" of
Scientology "may be deprived of property or injured
by any means by any Scientologist, without
discipline of that Scientologist. May be tricked,
sued, lied to or destroyed."

He also became the Commodore of his own private
navy, and began to refer to himself as "Source."

L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? exposes
as never before the dark side of Scientology, yet
contains an in-depth examination of the potential
positives of the subject and their actual origins.​

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'Brainwashing Manual Parallels in Scientology', a.k.a. 'Revisiting the Textbook on Psycho-politics' http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/ambry1.html​

Table of Contents

Examining the 'Brainwashing Manual' http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg with the purpose of better understanding Scientology 4

Introduction: A Brief Outline of Scientology Doctrine, Public and Confidential 6

"White Scientology" - The Battle Tactics Doctrine - Brainwashing Manual Tech - Scientology is Multi-layered - Exploiting the Positives: the Cheese in the Trap -

Background 9

Origin of the word "brainwashing." and of the "Russian Brainwashing Manual"
L. Ron Hubbard writing to Scientologists on the subject of the Brainwashing Manual
Departing briefly from the Manual: A look at private tactics later shared with insiders
A publicized statement
A private explanation
Hubbard vs. the "Asiatic Hordes"
Back to the Brainwashing Manual: Excerpts from Hubbard's third public statement on it
Kenneth Goff's 1956 version of the Manual
Scientology's "No-answer answers."

Excerpts from the Brainwashing Manual/Textbook on Psycho-politics 14

"Editorial Note": Hubbard. assuming the guise of the phantasmal "Charles Stickley"
"An Address by Beria": Hubbard, pretending to be Lavrenti Beria, chief of the Russian Secret Police
The Main Text of the Manual: Hubbard, masquerading as an arrogant Russain Brainwashing expert
"Pain-Drug-Hypnosis"

The Layers of The "Scientological Onion"

http://exscn.net/content/view/178/105 17

Brainwashing Manual Parallels in Modern Scientology 19

Correspondences between the Brainwashing Manual and the Battle Tactics policy
On “Survival”
On Surviving the Atomic Bomb
On an individual Scientologist influencing leaders
Scientology is devious by design

Front Groups - Layer Zero of the “Scientological Onion” 20

“It is not necessary that the term ‘Communism’ [Scientology] be applied at first…”

Layer One - The publicized portion of Scientology 23

“White Scientology”
Scenario: (An application of “White Scientology”)
“By reason alone”
Auditing

Descending into Layer Two of the “Onion”: The “In-Organization” Strata 27

“…[Scientology] under the guise of [‘White Scientology’]…”
Exploitation of the process of abreaction
Playing one thing off another or “counter-playing”
“Loaded language”: the seemingly enlightened “counter-played” with the manipulative
Tone 4, “entheta,” “theta,” Suppressive Person
The Thought Limiting clichés of Scientology
Publicized, “In-organization” and Confidential Scientology “Ethics”
“…aligning the individual against the desire not to conform…”
Side effects of “critical thoughts”
Dominion over the loyalties of individuals

Layer Three of the “Onion”: The Confidential “Upper Levels” of the “Bridge to Total Freedom” 33

“…avoid the understanding of the layman…”
Highest of the “upper levels” must remain a mystery to the membership
Operating Thetan or O.T.
Aleister Crowley, Head of the O.T.O.
O.T. III, The “Wall of Fire” into which Hubbard “took the plunge” to save Mankind
Exploitation of the paranormal

Layer Four: “…a well trained individual who serves in complete obedience…”
The Sea Organization, the Rehabilitation Project Force, and the Five Card System 36

The Sea Organization: “Custodians of the O.T. Levels”
“…the only loyalty which should exist… is to the State [Scientology].”
Sea Org Ethics under Commodore Hubbard on the Flagship
“Refusal to let them sleep over many days…”
The Rehabilitation Project Force
“Filthy food, little sleep, nearly untenable quarters…”
“…the first loyalty [to himself]… is destroyed…”
“Degradation and conquest…”
The children’s and teenagers’ RPF
“A certain amount of fear…”
The RPF’s RPF
The Five Card “Team Share” System
“The technologies of psycho-politics…”

Layer Five: Confidential Scientology Policy and Tech for “handling” uncooperative outsiders 46

The Fair Game policy and “philosophy”
“…find or manufacture enough threat…”
“Direct the attention of the authorities…”
Scientology’s unscrupulous use of the legal system
“We will no longer put up with our religion being criticized…”
Discourage inquiry
Defamatory data on file; “Culling”: Searching “religious confessional” (auditing) files for embarrassing or intimidating items
Background: The Commodore’s Intelligence Network
The policy of covert attack and publicized PR “defense lines”
Scientology’s Multi-layered Public Relations tech
Scientology Intelligence tech
Data collecting, and Attack or “support” Intelligence
Creating incidents that reflect badly on others
“Data needed by Ops on each located who”
Attack or “support” Intelligence - The Covert Ops study course and checklist
“Persons in his vicinity to whom he is emotionally involved…”
Coerce them into signing prepared “retractions” or “confessions”
Plenty of bogus “documentation”
One justification for unscrupulous covert methods
Treatment of VIPs and celebrities
Goal of talking over “mental health” and “political guidance”
Full knowledge of Intelligence tech must be denied to the general membership
“Deception, chicanery, lying, manipulation and outright criminality”
“She over there, those pink legs sticking out, didn’t like me”
Scientologists believe in a planet-wide conspiracy against L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology
The Scientology Hierarchy

Layer Six: The Core of the “Scientological Onion” 69

“…virtually a pathological liar…egotism… lust for power, and vindictiveness…”
“We must be like the vine upon the tree…”
The elusive “1000 page” official L. Ron Hubbard biography
“It’s a trap not being able to prevaricate”
Conscience as an “impediment”
The L. Ron Hubbard Fan(atic) club

Epilogue 74

Freeing the Positives

Addendum 76

"Dr. Hubbard's" FBI letters written concurrent with the appearance of the Brainwashing Manual 77

L. Ron Hubbard assumes the identity of Dr. Hubbard Ph.D DD - Patriotic Concerned Citizen
Letter of 29 July 1955
From a letter dated 7 September

A further look at Scientology's Covert Intelligence Tech 79

"Categories of Data Needing Coding"
A glimpse at a covert operation, and of public strata "policy" used as a cover for applied covert policy
An example of public strata "policy" used as "cover" - this time used on Scientologists by Scientology
"Ops Planning"
What to "Vet" or delete from sensitive internal messages that may be scrutinized by outsiders

Bibliography 82

Notes 87

____________​

Quoting from the 'Brainwashing Manual Parallels' Epilogue:

Epilogue
Freeing the Positives

"....Examining and 'sorting out' the subject would be worthwhile task. Doing so would not only educate as to the details of its dominant 'dark side', but would also make possible the freeing of what good may be found within it."

__________​

The "positives" - separated from the over-all subject - would no longer be Scientology, but another subject.

_______________​

When confronted by a person, who is in the process of being lured into Scientology, and has just pleasantly used his newly acquired "Comm Course" skills to establish communication with, and happily extrovert, a withdrawn little old lady neighbor, and is very pleased with himself about his good deed, and equally as impressed with his success applying the "tech," don't go

on the person, because that probably won't help free him from the sucking power of Scientology.

The fact is the little old lady did feel better, and was cheerfully extroverted.

Recognize that, and then take it from there.

I find the excerpt at the top to be quite inspirational.

 

[Koot]

Like being robotic?

No, like government(the real one)agents.
I guess you could call them robots too.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

No, like government(the real one)agents.
I guess you could call them robots too.

Sigh ... have it your own way.

I hope you hang around by the way, you have a nice way with you and you don't run away from questions.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I said way, waaaaay too many times!

Ah well.

 

[FoTi]

Read more carefully. I never accused Hubbard of "diddling little boys."

It's more likely that Hubbard was the little boy who was "diddled."

Here's the young L. Ron with his pal Commander "Snake" Thompson

It certainly was on his mind during the early 1950s, and also thirty years later when he wrote:

Oh, a soldier's life is the life for me;
Tuma-a -diddle; tuma-a-diddle, paw-pata
In camp and plain, I'm always free
To tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-paw~
No women ever spoil my view
With tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-pam
They're always wanting something new
Not tuma-diddle; tuma-diddle, paw-pam
For it is the men that I enjoy
To tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-pav.~
The best there is I find is boy!
Oh, tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle; paw-pam
The enemy I do not mind
If tuma-diddle, tuma-diddl4 paw-paw
Can go on in my behind
With tuma-diddle; tuma-diddle, paw-pa~
And if my bunkmates all are kind
With tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-pam
Surrounded by ten thousand (bleeps)
That tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-pa~
All passionate and hard as rocks
To tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-pazt~
Eager to slide in my buttocks
And tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-paw!
So (bleep), (bleep), (bleep) and (bleep) in me!
Tuma-diddle, tuma-diddl4 paw-pam
And let me (bleep) and (bleep) in thee
With tuma-diddle, tuma-diddk, paw-pam
Oh, what a love-ul-lee Arm-ee!
With its tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle;
OH! BOY!​

LRH wrote this in 1980? Sounds like he was gay., or bi.....why would he write this or even think about it? Do men usually think about having sex with another guy?....or even write a poem about it?

 

[Type4_PTS]

Sounds like we are on the same page. sorry for any mis-communication on my part.

No Problem. I see how I can easily come across as rabidly antagonistic towards Scn and Scientologists.

And certainly there are things within Scn I take issue with. But most Scientologists got involved with Scientology to begin with in order to help themselves and others, and in my book that is an admirable quality. I certainly don't look upon them as the enemy. However, I believe that when we were all in that we developed some big blind spots; that what we were led to believe was the greatest good was in fact far from it.

 

[FoTi]

No Problem. I see how I can easily come across as rabidly antagonistic towards Scn and Scientologists.

And certainly there are things within Scn I take issue with. But most Scientologists got involved with Scientology to begin with in order to help themselves and others, and in my book that is an admirable quality. I certainly don't look upon them as the enemy. However, I believe that when we were all in that we developed some big blind spots; that what we were led to believe was the greatest good was in fact far from it.

I didn't develop some big blind spots.....I already had them or else I would not have blindly believed the things that I did. I had no idea, really, if what was presented to me was true or not.....I just wanted them to be true.....It all sounded so good....a world without insanity or war...and reading all those OT success stories in the Advance Magazine.....it was so easy to follow that piper.....it was such a beautiful dream...total spiritual freedom. What a beautiful life it was going to be.

I always did like fairy tales with happy endings.

Unfortunately this one didn't turn out that way.

I feel for those who are still in, still believing , and still trying to "make it go right", while going nowhere , except down the rabbit hole.

 

[Koot]

No Problem. I see how I can easily come across as rabidly antagonistic towards Scn and Scientologists.

And certainly there are things within Scn I take issue with. But most Scientologists got involved with Scientology to begin with in order to help themselves and others, and in my book that is an admirable quality. I certainly don't look upon them as the enemy. However, I believe that when we were all in that we developed some big blind spots; that what we were led to believe was the greatest good was in fact far from it.

Hear Hear

 

[Enthetan]

I have been confused by that idea myself. It brings to mind Manson. How did he do it?

By getting the Sea Org to accept the need for lying. Look up "shore story". Look up "acceptable truth". Look up Fabian, and then re-read the text of RJ67.

In the SO, we accepted the need to have to lie about LRH's degree of actual involvement in the day to day control of Scientology. Once that was in place, then whoever had the job of relaying his orders, could substitute his own.

Now, a bigger question for you: Hubbard himself placed Miscavige in that post. What does that tell you about Hubbard as an OT judge of character?

 

[ThetanExterior]

Hubbard wasn't a genius or anything even close. He was a larger-than-life character with low ethics/morals who was prepared to use and abuse people and tell outrageous lies to get what he wanted.

Yes, this kind of person can appear to be a genius until you look behind the smoke and mirrors. If there is anything good in scientology it almost certainly came from someone else and Hubbard took it and pretended that he had discovered it.

Eventually his lying and cheating caught up with him. He had no OT powers and no friends. He died in his trailer, hiding from the law and with long-standing physical and mental problems. This is the true story of scientology.

 

[Koot]

By getting the Sea Org to accept the need for lying. Look up "shore story". Look up "acceptable truth". Look up Fabian, and then re-read the text of RJ67.

In the SO, we accepted the need to have to lie about LRH's degree of actual involvement in the day to day control of Scientology. Once that was in place, then whoever had the job of relaying his orders, could substitute his own.

Now, a bigger question for you: Hubbard himself placed Miscavige in that post. What does that tell you about Hubbard as an OT judge of character?

YOU accepted that Lie. So, what exactly was LRH's actual involvement in the day to day control of THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY, Inc. (Please give dates) What Orders did you lie about or see being lied about? I do not think DM was placed by LRH AND What makes you think an OT is a good judge of character? OTs created this trap and trapped themselves too , HA! SUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jim Dandy]

I don't see your point.

T

Sigh ... have it your own way.

I hope you hang around by the way, you have a nice way with you and you don't run away from questions.

I agree. I called him a Fuck Turd earlier in a term of endearment kinda way.

I do that all the time IRL. In fact a few days ago I called my loveable postman that and he smiled and gave me a thumbs up. (Most call him a miserable SOB so he really appreciates FT. It's different and has a nicer ring to it.)

But I'm also considering that I might have past life overts on coots. (Yes I know he spells it with a "K" but my reactive mind doesn't differentiate.)

 

[guanoloco]

Worthy of examination but hardly an indictment. Lots of hearsay surrounds this book that has no Hubbard on it. Just accusations from others.

Koot,

Seriously? Read Dianetics and then this book back-to-back. The hearsay goes away...especially the way both books talk about cells.

 

[guanoloco]

Have you read the links?

Most of Hubbard's writings (instructions to Scientologists) are not in books, they are found in the secretive LRH orders database of Scientology's INCOMM computer system.

_____​

As concisely, and as simply, as I can state it, here's my view on the difficulty re. examining the topic of Scientology.

IMO, those who perceive Scientology's negative core often can't see the positives that - amongst the hype and soft manipulation - speckle the outer display layer of the subject. Their explanations are often incomplete, as they can't see those parts of the display coating that are truly positive.

Those who perceive the positives - in the outer display layer - often are unable to see the negatives at its core. Their explanations tend to be extremely naive.

Conveying the idea that there is both a positive outer display coating which is ultimately subordinate, and also a negative hidden core which is ultimately dominant, can be difficult. It seems that the laws of nature, the laws of the human mind, and perhaps the laws of the human nervous system make recognizing both aspects difficult.

Scientology is a secretive and manipulative doctrine with a truth-coating. The truth-coating is displayed while the negatives are often hidden or disguised; or, when they no longer can be denied, are rationalized or "spun."

The "Scientology package" is both positive and negative. Scientology is a carefully crafted (by its founder) mix of "Black Scientology" and "White Scientology," resulting in Scientology.

Since the negatives are hidden, disguised, or denied, it becomes necessary to focus on the negatives. However, I've also acknowledged and spent time describing the positives.


Usually, Scientologists can grasp the notion that "Black Scientology" might be used on "Suppressive Persons," but not the idea that Scientology's founder used "Black Scientology" on his own loyal followers. This is difficult to explain to Scientologists, since Scientology (Hubbard's teachings and "applied philosophy") is regarded as a "gift" from Hubbard for their benefit. Yet Scientology, as crafted by Hubbard, is a devious mix of "Black" and "White" Scientology, and this mixture is what makes Scientology a trap.

Currently, about as far as "Independent" and FreeZone" Scientologists can venture is to assert that corporate Scientology's current leader, David Miscavige, uses "Black Scientology." Beyond that, things become foggy for them.

In his confidential writings, Hubbard taught that Scientology's enemies should be subjected to "enemy tactics," and to the various mechanisms of the mind (and "reactive mind"), and Hubbard, in writings and lectures, would sometimes describe these and, on a few occasions (usually at lectures), even warn the wide eyed and eager Scientologists that some evil force (not him of course, but the communists, Nazis, psychiatrists, the "12 bankers," etc.) could use Scientology to enslave - such is "the power the tech," etc. FZ and Indy Scientologists are fond of quoting these warnings. This, while remaining subject to many of the manipulative ideas and methods woven into Scientology by its founder.

Here are a few examples. There are many.

L. Ron Hubbard described himself as "Mankind's Greatest Friend," etc., so his writings and comments about "aberrative mechanisms" and "enemy tactics" never came across as a warning about himself. If anything, it made others more inclined to trust him.

For example, in Dianetics, what's "aberrative"? Something that equates to "survival." The "held down 7s" are "aberrative" because they're identified with the person's survival. "Survival," as a "mechanism" becomes "aberrative."

Even in 1950, Dianetics was presented as being a "race with the atomic bomb." The message was plain enough: Dianetics = Survival. No Dianetics = Doom.

And this continued into Scientology. One of many examples: In 1956, Hubbard wrote, "With Man now equipped with weapons sufficient to destroy all Mankind and Earth... The primary race on Earth is... the one being run between Scientology and the atomic bomb."

How many Scientologists read Hubbard's descriptions of Dianetics and Scientology as essential for Mankind's "Survival!" - and their own "Survival" - and thought, "Oh, Ron's using the 'Survival mechanism' to manipulate me" ?

Another example from 1950 Dianetics is the "ally computation." Someone comes out of the blue and helps another person, helps the other person in some way or other. The "help" could be indifferently offered, or insincerely offered, but if the needy person regards it as aiding in his "Survival!" (or well being, or the alleviation of pain or the attainment of pleasure or relief), then (so the theory goes) the "ally" mechanism is in place and in effect. For example, an uncle, who may not be a particularly nice fellow, gets his little nephew a glass of water when that nephew is sick in bed and thirsty. The uncle (in the mind of the little nephew) becomes an "ally," and the uncle become identified with "Survival!"

Now, who would have thought that "Mankind's Greatest Friend," on whom the "Survival!" of Mankind, and the "Survival!" of each person (Scientologists, through Ron's "Bridge") depended, would use the "ally computation" and the "Survival mechanism" in order to deceive, manipulate, and exploit? Nah, that could never happen.

However, it did happen, and not only years later, but sometimes the same day, or previous to Hubbard mentioning a deceptive, manipulative or destructive mechanism or tactic.

But it was disguised, and so wasn't recognized. Hubbard's warnings about the race between Dianetics or/and Scientology and the atomic bomb were regarded by Scientologists as warnings by their, and Mankind's, #1 "ally," L. Ron Hubbard. Who amongst Scientologists suspected? Yet, the warning noted above - from 1956 - was less than a year after Hubbard had published, and distributed, his fake "Russian Psychopolitics textbook" http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg (which of course denounced Dianetics), a "textbook" that, amongst the haughty "Russian Commie"-sounding rhetoric, and references to psychiatrists practicing lurid sex with their (unconscious) patients, "Pain-Drug-Hypnosis," shock treatment, lobotomies, etc., was a compendium of enemy ("Russian Communist") ideas and practices for "asserting and maintaining dominion over thoughts and loyalties."

From Hubbard's "Russian Textbook":

"The failure of Psychopolitics might well bring about the atomic bombing of the Motherland. The psychopolitical operative must succeed for his success means world peace... The end thoroughly justifies the means."

Even "Survival!" - used to manipulate - was mentioned in the fake "Russian Textbook":

"It is pointed out in many early Russian writings that this is a survival mechanism. It [the "Survival!" mechanism] has already been well and thoroughly used in the survival of Communism."

Hubbard's 1955 "Russian Textbook" was loaded with manipulative and exploitative ideas and practices, many of which were being used on Scientologists themselves - used on them by their "Greatest Friend" and ally, L. Ron Hubbard - ideas and practices which were, ultimately, from the 1960s onward, formally incorporated, by Hubbard, into Scientology doctrine and practice.

Yet, who suspected? Yet, it was right there. And because it was right there it was unthinkable.

​

This is the best portrayal of Hubbard hiding in plain sight. Add to this, Veda, another example: the trap of Total Freedom as laid out in Fundamentals of Thought...and then what does he do? Constructs a Bridge to....Total Freedom!