Hubbard - OT VIII

The Sloth

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Most are familiar with the version of "ot VIII" that was denounced by the CoS, but recently validated on Tony O's blog.
For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure he has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and other typical Marcab PR.

http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/24/up...ot-8-but-was-its-first-version-really-a-hoax/




Recently, another Vatican priest was busted in the Catholic Church sexual abuse scandal:
http://mic.com/articles/99972/forme...assive-cache-of-files-on-his-vatican-computer

A former archbishop placed under house arrest by the Vatican on Tuesday allegedly had 100,000 child pornography videos and images hidden on his work computer at the Holy See's compound in the Dominican Republic, according to a report in Italy's Il Corriere della Sera.

The Vatican arrested Jozef Wesolowski on Tuesday under allegations of paying for sex with minors while serving as papal ambassador in the Dominican Republic. Wesolowski, who was defrocked by a Vatican tribunal in June, was been placed under house awaiting a criminal trial, Reuters reports. This was the Holy See's first-ever arrest inside Vatican City on charges of pedophilia.
"A gallery of horrors was kept on his laptop," Il Corriere della Sera reports. "You see children aged between 13 and 17 humiliated in front of the camera, filmed naked, forced to have sex with each other and with adults."

Is this perception or just a weird co-incidence?

In any event, it is yet another example of an organized religion imploding in the present.
 

Leland

Crusader
Most are familiar with the version of "ot VIII" that was denounced by the CoS, but recently validated on Tony O's blog.


http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/24/up...ot-8-but-was-its-first-version-really-a-hoax/




Recently, another Vatican priest was busted in the Catholic Church sexual abuse scandal:
http://mic.com/articles/99972/forme...assive-cache-of-files-on-his-vatican-computer



Is this perception or just a weird co-incidence?

In any event, it is yet another example of an organized religion imploding in the present.

I was on the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course for 3 1/2 years.

On that course....among many other things....is something called "The Wall of Tapes." ( a joke on "the wall of fire" [ot 3], I presume)

Anyway, there are 447 lectures.....all over one hour each....

On one of these lectures LRH does claim to have been "Lucifer" or the "Devil" perhaps...I can't remember exactly. Then he ties to make a joke about having said it....and laughs it off. (one can hear uncomfortable laughs from the audience...)

Theses 447 lectures were recorded between 1961 and 1966.......At Saint Hill , in England.......many many years before OT 8.......

Also on the BC tapes....LRH claims that Jesus, as we know of him historically.....was an implant....and there had been "many Jesus on the whole track" and that it was a "game played so many times.....that the playing cards were getting thin."

Also...

LRH wrote and had published "Hymn of Asia" around 1955? In it he claims to be THE Buddha....reincarnated. And that he foretold of this happening when he had been Buddha. (though I have never tried to verify this in any Buddhist writings.)

So.....as far as this original OT 8.......Released in 1988........all I am trying to say is that LRH had been cooking it up for many decades.....a long time.


On another take.....it is interesting that HubTub....jokes about Jesus...and that it is an old old game.....

and then on the other hand......in this original OT 8 information.....he VALIDATES the Bible....and says it is true.....and that he was Lucifer....and will come back and be the Anti-Christ.....and Bla Bla Bla......

TYPICAL Scientology HubTub mind fuck.....twist one way....then twist the other way....

Of course as HubTub validates the Bible....and that he "will come back as the Anti-Christ".....then is that not also "an implant" .....if it is a game that has been played so many times before?
 
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Hatshepsut

Crusader
I have put some thought into this OT VIII thing. I reviewed about six videos from those graduating off it on the Freewinds. I thought they were 'underwhelmed'. Either that or they were paid actors. :whistling:

From the processes given in the two internet copies of the level, I think it is all about being buttered all over the universe. It's funny though that auditing encourages you to 'connect' with old disassociated identities and their scattered masses. Then it encourages you do dis-identify and disconnect from those significances and masses as they are only your old creations. (Identities or beingnesses you are mocking up?) Its about recouping the lifeforce that is truly YOU. :unsure:

A History of Man is used on the OT courses. It suggests that in the timestream there are heirarchies of postulates to be and this culminates in further divisions downstream. So as long as one is interiorized with a timetrack he cannot back out without hitting his previous connections.:confused2:
 
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Wants2Talk

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Being a Scientology certainly damned me. I lost my relationship with any higher power, my career, my inheritance and my children. Ron peddles Eden's apple. IMHO - just saying. I am so glad to be out.
 

Mystic

Crusader
I really like OT VIII. It is so fked up helps to guarantee folks realizing the Hubbard thing was full of wet, runny obama.
 

BunnySkull

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If you know anything about Ron's early history the original OTVIII makes perfect sense. Ron subscribed to the black magik BS of Crowley and his band of merry occultists.

Ron created a "religion" which was to make everyone their own personal god. Ron didn't want to be some turn the cheek pacifist like Jesus Christ. From his affirmations we know Ron badly wanted to be an all powerful, totally dominating, controlling, sexual beast - and the closest thing in mythology we have to such a creature is the anti-christ, the devil, satan, etc... All the dark forces wrapped up into one entity.

In fact, the big reveal of OTVIII was completely predictable and typical of such a cliched, hack sci-fi writer as Ron. If it was a movie or book people would decry such a formulaic ending. But, sadly, this wasn't just bad fiction instead it was a very bad cult.

It's a bit surprising that so many people were so shocked and bewildered when they did the original OTVIII, but I guess it goes to show that many people joined Scientology for very different reasons than why Ron created Scientology. One of the posters on Marty's blog that confirmed the authenticity of the original OTVIII wasn't taken aback or terribly disturbed by the level, he seemed to take in stride and it wasn't an earth shattering revelation to him at all. However, there was a very different reaction from others, so many so that the level was quickly yanked and revamped. It would explain why the upper OT levels are such a let down for so many, Ron's big dramatic ending was squashed.

One surprising thing however was that apparently the level even shook up DM. According to Marty - though he did not read the level himself - DM confided in him that it was "too much" and he gives the impression that DM was bewildered by it. Given what we know about DM and his history you would think he'd be thrilled to discover he was serving the anti-christ and his mission of total world domination. Guess DM's early catholic upbringing stuck with him a little deeper than he cares to admit, maybe enough to put the literal fear of god in him for a bit lol.
 

Operating DB

Truman Show Dropout
Most are familiar with the version of "ot VIII" that was denounced by the CoS, but recently validated on Tony O's blog.
For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure he has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and other typical Marcab PR.

Here's the newly revised and reissued updated version.
For those of you whose Scientology toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the histrionic L. Ron Hubbard was not nearly the sainted figure he has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred that belied the general message of control, brainwashing and other typical Scientology PR. --Hell Wrong Hu666ard
 
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Lermanet_com

Gold Meritorious Patron
I have put some thought into this OT VIII thing. I reviewed about six videos from those graduating off it on the Freewinds. I thought they were 'underwhelmed'. Either that or they were paid actors. :whistling:

From the processes given in the two internet copies of the level, I think it is all about being buttered all over the universe. It's funny though that auditing encourages you to 'connect' with old disassociated identities and their scattered masses. Then it encourages you do dis-identify and disconnect from those significances and masses as they are only your old creations. (Identities or beingnesses you are mocking up?) Its about recouping the lifeforce that is truly YOU. :unsure:

A History of Man is used on the OT courses. It suggests that in the timestream there are heirarchies of postulates to be and this culminates in further divisions downstream. So as long as one is interiorized with a timetrack he cannot back out without hitting his previous connections.:confused2:

FROM OT8 REVEALED (included document history)

"He (Ron DeWolf) drove non-stop cross country, popping bennies (benzidrene) a brand of amphetamine popular back then to stay awake, bennies were also known in the 60's as 'black beauties'. He drove nonstop cross crountry between wichita kansas and Pheonix Arizona was a two lane blacktop affair... no superhighways back then... The trip would have taken days...1168.02 miles at 30 mph...or 40 mph or 38 hours driving time

So picture this, L Ron Hubbard Jr Ron DeWolfe ... wild eyed and up for 2 DAYS driving whacked on speed....

Arrives in Pheonix.. His dad immediately starts 'auditing him' and digs up, between him and Mary Sue, all those incidents which became the core of "HISTORY OF MAN"....

So History of Man is based almost entirely upon the delusional withdrawal symptoms of benzidrene which is chemically Amphetamine Sulfate related to METHEDRENE which produces psychotic episodes of paranoia during withdrawel. "


the auditing that became History of man was conducted under the influence of amphetamines

"Sworn testimony by Ron DeWolfe from 82 Hearings HERE) Ron Dewolfe: Then, I arrived in Phoenix, Arizona in early '52. He had just arrived from Wichita with Mary Sue. And the very first day -- the very first day I arrived, he wanted me audited immediately. But I had been -driven all night and I was eighteen years old. I knew nothing about Scientology. All I had read was Dianetics*: The Modern Science of Mental Health, and it never really interested me very much as a book when I was young. So, after about a couple of weeks there, we got involved -- he asked me to sit down on the couch, and I was high on Benzedrine, Bennies. And we started doing, quote, "research" on a book called History of Man. So, we spent a couple, three days on that. Here's the book here, The Scientology History of Man; here's a copy of it. And all the incidents -- he did a few with Mary Sue, but the majority of incidents in it were off the top of my head, as I had upwards of twenty, thirty milligrams of Bennies in me.

[ Bennies = Speed = amphetamines ] "

And this from my old friend Warrior on FB, who used to work across the hall from me in 1972:

"Benzedrine often helps a case run."
- L. Ron Hubbard, "The Intensive Processing Procedure," 1950 LINK


More like this HERE OT8 REVEALED:


The proof History of man is a wad of Drug induced DELUSION is the CLAM incident

"Now the clincher... is the "CLAM" incident...

All that talk about making your 'jaws' ache if you 'restimulate' the 'clam incident'..

Bollocks...

One side effect of any of the amphetamine family, especially with prolonged use to stay awake, is that one will begin to clench ones teeth... so much and for so long that for days after coming off of 'speed' one's jaws will hurt like heck, and yeah your 'jaws' will hurt because they are tired from being 'clenched' for days...(note)

Hubbard was and is a complete fraud. "

Arnie Lerma


PS: I ate a few dexedrines in the 60's, and your jaws do ache for a week after being up for a couple of days on speed...which is why I feel it is absolutely appropriate to call believers in $cientology "CLAMS" 'cause when they ask "Why do you call scientologists clams" you get to explain the above...
 
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Mystic

Crusader
Well, yes, but according to Scientology (like in the infamous grade chart). :)

Well, yes, but there is no validity in anything scientology. After 10 years away from that so-called 'church' but still hanging in there auditing, auditing, auditing (lots of NOTS), I had the final cognition: This is either an absurd futility or a futile absurdity and it doesn't make any difference which.

I terminated auditing at that point, forever.
 

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
EP of OT VIII according to the old grade chart

Ability to be at cause knowingly and at will over thought, life, form, matter, energy, space, and time subjective and objective.

I don't believe that he got this crazy idea from nowhere (but it is insanity).
 

HelluvaHoax!

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I really like OT VIII. It is so fked up helps to guarantee folks realizing the Hubbard thing was full of wet, runny obama.



LOL

I don't know what wet, runny obama has to do with anything, but I am certain that Ron predicted it on OT VIII!


FROM CONFIDENTIAL OT VIII MATERIALS
"I will soon leave this world only to return and complete my mission with another identity. Although I long to stretch my arms back in repose on some distant star in some distant galaxy, it appears that, that is one dream that will have to wait…I will return not as a religious leader but a political one." -L. Ron Hubbard
 

Helena Handbasket

Gold Meritorious Patron
EP of OT VIII according to the old grade chart

Ability to be at cause knowingly and at will over thought, life, form, matter, energy, space, and time subjective and objective.

I don't believe that he got this crazy idea from nowhere (but it is insanity).
From HCO B 5 MAY 1980:

Another aspect of this GE-line implant is that the body becomes in effect a sort of theta trap that kicks in heavily on the being should he attempt to expand his horizons beyond that of pure physical universe reality. There can be temporary key-outs which we have all experienced in varying degrees, but until this area is handled it can honestly be said that there is no hope for continued expansion. The good news is that once this is run out, expansion becomes rather effortless and almost automatic.

I suppose that's what was supposed to happen. It (call it Mystery Babylon if you like) didn't.

Instead, all the original OT VIII students got was a rather unusual assertion of who's good and who's bad.

Helena
 

Hatshepsut

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Originally Posted by Lermanet_com

The proof History of man is a wad of Drug induced DELUSION is the CLAM incident

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programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
From HCO B 5 MAY 1980:



I suppose that's what was supposed to happen. It (call it Mystery Babylon if you like) didn't.

Instead, all the original OT VIII students got was a rather unusual assertion of who's good and who's bad.

Helena


I disagree for that being the basis of the EP of OT VIII.
Does that HCOB mention the grade chart EP of OT VIII? No.

SCN apologists can be VERY clever about both denying and affirming this EP.
(Iffy this and Iffy that.)
 
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