Hubbard's biggest withhold

Hatshepsut

Crusader
Ron Hubbard sure pumped up the illusion "LRH construct" a hot air balloon

Exactly. :yes: He decided to take the magic tact of 'owning' the God viewpoint. From that perspective we were all squatters in his universe 'construct' ....and he probably thought unknowingly under his pervasive influence.

The trouble with this is that it was booby trapped a long time ago as it's the oldest trick in the book. It may have been factual at one time that we were all basically split off or individuated from some Great Unmanifest source. BUT...the decision to be an INDIVIDUAL is like the decision to be 'born'. Once you are born you cannot be unborn. You have entered in ..or is it out? (and isn't it telling that Ron donned the hat of SOURCE)

I look at the characteristics involved with LRH sometimes. He wanted to dominate the universe. He wanted to usurp individuals' wills. He wanted to be Fabian so as to escape domination by others. He made policy that made himself right. All biggies like the FBI, the IRS, Xenu, etc were his competitors. Ha....but they could've just as easily have been his alter egos. Master of the Universe is a game he may have played less covertly in today's world...as it is par for the course. He coulda had many more actual players to go up against instead of having to mock up half.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...ggest-withhold&p=600149&viewfull=1#post600149



Originally posted by Jachss99

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I think a withhold could've have been that he was messing with what causes a viewpoint to appear on the map and what puts it out of existence. He learned to trap these all up in a net (spell) and compress those into some utilization...you have a Xenu game. Or an army recruiter one. I was spooked one time looking over The Testament of Solomon and the magick of the old Babylonians 6000 yrs ago. Consciousness was fodder for more powerful consciousness, there for the taking. Sometimes scenes like in The Mummy where he bursts into a million black bugs, or Finding Nemo where all the little fishes zap into the cluster formation of a 'shark' or the 'Sydney opera house'...I can sense how it might have or coulda been. Stories like turning Lot's wife into a pillar of salt etc give me a suspicion that there once were mass conversion specialists around. I look around here and see that basically everything is under some kind of a spell...the 'spell' of what that consciousness feels it is BEING. Or what it has been 'impressed' into being. Or the series of auto agreements it is adhering to. What was NOTS anyhow but a way to break a 'spell' and rehab pure potentiality. At least I think it started out that way. Nothing in this world is fought against as hard as the rehabilitation of the state of PURE POTENTIALITY. Anarchy!! Things must be controlled, have a directive or be directed!!

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Ron DeWolf was declared a Suppressive Person (even by Freesone). - Just sayin'

Do you mean by CBRs original group? If so, say so.

There is no sense in which the freezone as it is constituted now can declare anyone, being itself a multi-headed hydra with no uniform organization or procedures.


Mark A. Baker
 

Veda

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The first FZ SP Declare I ever read was the one on L. Ron Hubbard Jr. (Nibs). It was written by the founder of the Free Zone, and was in a notebook owned by the person who is, currently, the Senior C/S for Ron's Orgs in the USA:

"Sector Ethics Order:

"Ron De Wolfe, alias Nibs Hubbard, alias L. Ron Hubbard Junior

"...He has recently come under direct influence of the infamous suppressive implanter known as Xenu, subject of Ethics Order No. 1 (written in 1967 by Elron Elray)...

"Astar Paramejgian

"Deputy Sector Commander"


The use of "alias" for dramatic effect is another echo of L. Ron Hubbard, whose (perceived) enemies were invariably communists, criminals, or sex perverts, for example, according to the founder of Scientology, his 2nd wife was a Russian spy, sent in to run a Covert Operation on Dianetics:

"Sara Komkovadamanov, alias Northrup..."

Astar Paramejgian, Deputy Sector Commander, was/is Captain Bill Robertson. His Ron's Orgs is the the most successful FZ group. http://galac-patra.narod.ru/index.html
 

Ogsonofgroo

Crusader
Yay, KR's on Hubbard!

What would you do?

What would you write up?

IMHO, the old windbag's 'withholds' consist of one basic fact~ He lied.

Without remorse, without conscience.

To everyone.

About everything imaginable.

And, he died a sad, sad, sad example of what delusions can do to a soul.

My opinion (yeh, guess I'm a hater thingy *itchy*)

:dance2:
 

Leon

Gold Meritorious Patron
I've just read that interview with Penthouse. How anyone can give any credence to Nibs is quite beyond me. Seems to me he is as much a bullshitter as he claims his father to have been.
 

Veda

Sponsor
Penthouse: "Did he [Hubbard Sr.] encourage you to use drugs?"

Hubbard Jr.: "Well, he used them with me. He was a real night person. We used to sit around at night, sit around his office or home, get loaded up, and talk... He started out by mixing phenobarbital in my bubble gum, when I was ten years old. This was to induce deeper trances in order to practice the black magic..."


From L. Ron Hubbard Sr.'s 'Affirmations':

"Your psychology is good. You worked to darken your own children. This failure with them [Ron Jr., and his younger sister Katherine] was only apparent. The evident lack of effectiveness was 'ordered'. The same psychology works perfectly on everyone else. You use it with great confidence.

...

"Darkness is a cloak you may don. Your guardian and your own courage protect you utterly in darkness. You control anything you meet in darkness for that is part of your universe.

...

"Your writing has a deep hypnotic effect on people and they are always pleased with what you write.

...

"Your psychology is true and wonderful. It hypnotizes people. It predicts their emotions, for you are their ruler."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIwmsBLvcr4

As a non-sequitur comment, at the beginning of the first 'Philadelphia Doctorate Course' lecture: "...the prince of darkness. Who do you think I am?" [audience chuckles].


There's a confusion re. the 'Penthouse' article, as stories told to Ron Jr., by his father, were presented as being believed by Ron Jr. Ron Jr. believed some of it, not all of it, and was uncertain about some things. That's one category: Things he was *told* by his father. His father *told* him (he was 17 in 1950) that he was selling secrets to the Russians, just as his father told Scientologists so many things. And, not unlike the Scientologists who are still "sorting it out" and recovering, so did Ron Jr. attempt to do so.

Of course, Ron Jr. had the problem of having been Fair Gamed, by his father and Scientology, for most of his life. The two "buttons" that Scientology Inc. went after were "family, wife, children," and "money, jobs, etc." Scientology Inc. was relentless. He signed a retraction (recant), in the early 1970s, around the time that his youngest son was born with Downs syndrome, and another retraction, in the mid 1980s, after being hospitalized and undergoing surgery.

Ron Jr. was told many things by his father, but he also *witnessed* his father's behavior: his father throwing dinner plates against walls, his father drinking heavily, and his father using drugs; he witnessed his father's fascination with the writings of Aleister Crowley, and with the darkest aspects of the occult, witnessed his father's use of self-hypnosis with the 'Affirmations' - the 'Affirmations' beginning in the late 1930s. He also witnessed his father secretly hoarding cash, then telling creditors he had no money, and he witnessed the contempt with which his father regarded Scientologists, the Scientologists to whom his father had repeatedly lied.

And then there are Ron Jr.'s opinions.

Ron Jr. was told so many tall tales by his father that he spent the rest of his life trying to sort it out, and free himself from his father's manipulations. And he said so.

Over-all, Ron's Jr.'s information - the key points - have been confirmed by other sources.

And he's the only Hubbard son or daughter who has had the courage to speak out publicly.
 

Jachs

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I've just read that interview with Penthouse. How anyone can give any credence to Nibs is quite beyond me. Seems to me he is as much a bullshitter as he claims his father to have been.

Specifics?
 

Jachs

Gold Meritorious Patron
There's a confusion re. the 'Penthouse' article, as stories told to Ron Jr., by his father, were presented as being believed by Ron Jr. Ron Jr. believed some of it, not all of it, and was uncertain about some things. That's one category: Things he was *told* by his father. His father *told* him (he was 17 in 1950) that he was selling secrets to the Russians, just as his father told Scientologists so many things. And, not unlike the Scientologists who are still "sorting it out" and recovering, so did Ron Jr. attempt to do so.

Of course, Ron Jr. had the problem of having been Fair Gamed, by his father and Scientology, for most of his life. The two "buttons" that Scientology Inc. went after were "family, wife, children," and "money, jobs, etc." Scientology Inc. was relentless. He signed a retraction (recant), in the early 1970s, around the time that his youngest son was born with Downs syndrome, and another retraction, in the mid 1980s, after being hospitalized and undergoing surgery.

Ron Jr. was told many things by his father, but he also *witnessed* his father's behavior: his father throwing dinner plates against walls, his father drinking heavily, and his father using drugs; he witnessed his father's fascination with the writings of Aleister Crowley, and with the darkest aspects of the occult,

witnessed his father's use of self-hypnosis with the 'Affirmations' - the 'Affirmations' beginning in the late 1930s.

He also witnessed his father secretly hoarding cash, then telling creditors he had no money, and he witnessed the contempt with which his father regarded Scientologists, the Scientologists to whom his father had repeatedly lied.

And then there are Ron Jr.'s opinions.

Ron Jr. was told so many tall tales by his father that he spent the rest of his life trying to sort it out, and free himself from his father's manipulations. And he said so.

Over-all, Ron's Jr.'s information - the key points - have been confirmed by other sources.

And he's the only Hubbard son or daughter who has had the courage to speak out publicly.

Nibs testimony on Ron Srs cocaine, heroin, LSD, amphetamines,

the affirmations,

sexual irregularities , promiscuity , violence, lack of remorse,

the occult black magick, crowley worship.

the money hoarding, it has been backed up by others.

I never used to Criticize ElRon, he was perfect, he was God, the OT of the universe, he rigged it so id never know, Cloaked all the way and covered back tracking.

I dont believe everything Nibs said, and I dont have to, he was manipulated by his dads lies, intimidated by heavy fairgame, he had his own opinion on some things, and some things may still be true and may not be true , still inconclusive.

The Russian thing with selling secrets- there is not enough evidence.

The abortion he alleged he witnessed ElRon doing, i fully believe ElRon was capable of this act, did he do it, i dont know.

The criminal activity of importing Heroin & Cocaine( not in Penthouse), again its possible, and i think hubbard was capable of this, he was deep in debt, lost dianetics royalties, id love someone to come forward and validate Nibs on that if its true.

It doesnt matter if no one does back up the above.

The main parts that Nibs says has been backed up on multiple accounts and if he had just kept quiet , ElRons past would still be lurking as a maybe and it would be Gerry Armstrong alone being refuted for what he saw. Who would believe it?
 
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I've just read that interview with Penthouse. How anyone can give any credence to Nibs is quite beyond me. Seems to me he is as much a bullshitter as he claims his father to have been.

The difference Leon is that whereas Nibs MAY have been a b#llsh!tter, it is absolutely CERTAIN that his dad was a liar, thief, & fraud. Witness his 'bio' & his claims 'not to have embezzled money from the church' as just two examples. :eyeroll:

Whatever MAY be the case, the worst that can be said about Nibs is that the acorn didn't necessarily fall far from the oak. And even that is not necessarily the case. :)


Mark A. Baker
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
I've just read that interview with Penthouse. How anyone can give any credence to Nibs is quite beyond me. Seems to me he is as much a bullshitter as he claims his father to have been.

Impossible. However, he could have been lying. Certainly in the genes. However, to be as big of a liar as his father, he'd have to be at it every day, writing lies and bellowing at people about them for almost 50 years. While he probably told some whoppers, Hubbard's consistency at it and stridency put him in a league all his own.
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
Yay, KR's on Hubbard!

What would you do?

What would you write up?

IMHO, the old windbag's 'withholds' consist of one basic fact~ He lied.

Without remorse, without conscience.

To everyone.

About everything imaginable.

And, he died a sad, sad, sad example of what delusions can do to a soul.

My opinion (yeh, guess I'm a hater thingy *itchy*)

:dance2:

You missed the fun a little over a decade ago on ars when Christine was going to comm ev LRH...
 

Leon

Gold Meritorious Patron
I'll go along with the bit that the acorn did not fall far from the tree.

And I'll add that LRH's overts created an effect. Nibs's never will.
 

Leon

Gold Meritorious Patron
And all this stuff about Crowley and Black Magic is so overb;own. Crowley used to play the press on this thing of being "the wickedest man in the world". It's all meaningless pap designed to get the sunday papers all excited and give the guy some newspaper footage.

And Magic - that is just a shake about of Cause and Effect. We all agree that to get Effect B you need to do Cause A. Then a guy postulates it differently and shows you he gets Effect B by doing Cause G or X, and everyone goes OOOH! It's MAGIC! WOW!

All it requires is a better understanding and comptetency with the factors making up this universe. And sure, Hubbard was very interested in that. So am I. I don't go in for the ritual and shit like that - and neither did Hubbard particularly - since all it is designed to do is to psych the guy out of his immediate set of agreements into another set. In Scio H took a more sensible approach by getting a guy to work at unravelling his existing set, instead of just plastering another set on top of what he had.

This is all such kindergarten stuff.

So Hubbard fucked with your mind - SO FUCKING WHAT? You've been screwing yourself up a million times worse for all of eternity. Why bleat about what Hubbard did? So called 'did' to you.

Get over it and take what you find is good and use that. And stop whingeing about the few trivial 'bad' things. They really don't amount to more than a fart in a thunderstorm.
 

secretiveoldfag

Silver Meritorious Patron
And all this stuff about Crowley and Black Magic is so overb;own. Crowley used to play the press on this thing of being "the wickedest man in the world". It's all meaningless pap designed to get the sunday papers all excited and give the guy some newspaper footage.

And Magic - that is just a shake about of Cause and Effect. We all agree that to get Effect B you need to do Cause A. Then a guy postulates it differently and shows you he gets Effect B by doing Cause G or X, and everyone goes OOOH! It's MAGIC! WOW!

All it requires is a better understanding and comptetency with the factors making up this universe. And sure, Hubbard was very interested in that. So am I. I don't go in for the ritual and shit like that - and neither did Hubbard particularly - since all it is designed to do is to psych the guy out of his immediate set of agreements into another set. In Scio H took a more sensible approach by getting a guy to work at unravelling his existing set, instead of just plastering another set on top of what he had.

Only a truly brain-washed person could say any of this.
 

Veda

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-snip-

So :angry:Hubbard :angry:fucked :angry:with :angry:your :angry:mind - :angry:SO :angry:FUCKING :angry:WHAT? :angry:You've :angry:been :angry:screwing :angry:yourself :angry:up :angry:a :angry:million :angry:times :angry:worse :angry:for :angry:all :angry:of :angry:eternity. :angry:Why :angry:bleat :angry:about :angry:what :angry:Hubbard :angry:did? :angry:So :angry:called :angry:did' :angry:to :angry:you.

-snip-

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uniquemand

Unbeliever
And all this stuff about Crowley and Black Magic is so overb;own. Crowley used to play the press on this thing of being "the wickedest man in the world". It's all meaningless pap designed to get the sunday papers all excited and give the guy some newspaper footage.

And Magic - that is just a shake about of Cause and Effect. We all agree that to get Effect B you need to do Cause A. Then a guy postulates it differently and shows you he gets Effect B by doing Cause G or X, and everyone goes OOOH! It's MAGIC! WOW!

All it requires is a better understanding and comptetency with the factors making up this universe. And sure, Hubbard was very interested in that. So am I. I don't go in for the ritual and shit like that - and neither did Hubbard particularly - since all it is designed to do is to psych the guy out of his immediate set of agreements into another set. In Scio H took a more sensible approach by getting a guy to work at unravelling his existing set, instead of just plastering another set on top of what he had.

This is all such kindergarten stuff.

So Hubbard fucked with your mind - SO FUCKING WHAT? You've been screwing yourself up a million times worse for all of eternity. Why bleat about what Hubbard did? So called 'did' to you.

Get over it and take what you find is good and use that. And stop whingeing about the few trivial 'bad' things. They really don't amount to more than a fart in a thunderstorm.

Actually, I haven't been fucking myself up for all of eternity, that's malarkey. I have been living for 41 years and some number of months, weeks and days and hours. I've been both fucking myself up and unfucking myself up, and learning a lot. Hubbard helped fuck me up for a while, but I am not particularly worried about that. I would just like to make sure he doesn't do so to others.
 
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