Hubbard's Naval Intelligence Documentation

Gadfly

Crusader
Hitler never forgave and HATED the Jewish academia who rejected his artwork and paintings. His life was fueled by that hatred.

And, Hubbard never forgave and HATED the psychiatrists, media and scientific communities who rejected Dianetics and his "research into the mind". His life was also fueled by such a hatred of those who rejected his "great work". :duh:

Both Hitler and Hubbard were average, mediocre and even "subpar" folks in terms of intelligence and creativity. But, they could sucker certain groups of people into following their stupid ideas.

Hubbard needs the extensive PR machinery of the C of S to make ANY impact in terms of "being well known or well -thought of". But, despite all the efforts of the GO, OSA, LRH Per PRO N/W and endless "PR campaigns" out into the real world, Hubbard's "image" is worse than ever - and quite justifiably so. :yes:
 
speaking as a vet myself, the primary fact of ron's military history is the fucker showed up. and the secondary fact is he showed up before the attack on pearl harbor. say anything you like about the character of his service but if you can't kick him down the basic respect those two facts warrant piss on ya
 

Lermanet_com

Gold Meritorious Patron
A client of mine in Alexandria VA, whose father was the President of George Washington University in 1961, contacted me a decade after installing a sound system in his fancy restraunt at Court House Metro in Arlington. after he read about me the alt.scientology.war in WIRED Magazine, etc...

He told me that when he was a kid his father would often have professors over for dinner, and he recalls on particular Professor (phonetic spelling) Mossell (a psychologist) who told a memorable story about a student of his that has gone missing... one Lafayette Ron Hubbard...

He said that he finally found his student in a straightjacket, in a padded cell, in the notorious St Elizabeths Mental Hospital, kicking and screaming that he was Jesus Christ...

250px-Center_building_at_Saint_Elizabeths%2C_August_23%2C_2006.jpg


In hindsight, if one examines the official record of his grades:

For the year 1930-1931, the first semester.

English 1/2, Rhetoric C
General Chemistry 3/4 D
Mechanical Engineering 3/4 B

Analytical Geometry F
Physical Education C
First Year German E
Civil Engineering B

For the year 1930-1931, the second semester.

English 112 Rhetoric B
General Chemistry 3/4 D
Mechanical Engineering C
Physical Education A
First Year German * F
Differental Calculus F

For the year 1931-1932, the first semester.

Physics, dynamics of sound
and light E
Differential Calculus D
Integral Calculus
Plane Anal. Geometry
English, short stories B

For the year 1931-1932, the second semester.

Integral Calculus D
English, Short Stories B
Physics, electricity
and magnetism D
Nuclear Physics F

Hubbards grade average was 2.28, or a "D" average.

SOURCE LINK

One might reach the following conclusion if one has attended college oneself, - that is, the ONLY way to get grades that bad are

IF ONE WAS NOT PRESENT AT MOST OF THE CLASSES.

Which begs the question, then, WHERE was he?

St Elizabeth's and one of its long term care facilities in the maryland suburbs were linked to the operations of MkUltra, as revealed in the scanty documents and testimony during a Congressional investigation...when the CIA was subpeona'd the destroyed everything, shredded...

(I have a recording of this conversation)..

Arnie Lerma
 

Lermanet_com

Gold Meritorious Patron
A client of mine in Alexandria VA, whose father was the President of George Washington University in 1961, contacted me a decade after installing a sound system in his fancy restraunt at Court House Metro in Arlington. after he had read about the alt.scientology.war in WIRED Magazine, etc...

He told me that when he was a kid his father would often have professors over for dinner, and he recalls a particular Professor (phonetic spelling) Mossell (a psychologist) who told a memorable story about a student of his that had gone missing... one Lafayette Ron Hubbard...(I have a recording of this conversation)..

He said that he found his student in a straightjacket, in a padded cell, in the notorious St Elizabeths Mental Hospital, kicking and screaming that he was Jesus Christ...

250px-Center_building_at_Saint_Elizabeths%2C_August_23%2C_2006.jpg


Looks a bit like St Hill Manor?

In hindsight, if one examines the official record of his grades:

For the year 1930-1931, the first semester.

English 1/2, Rhetoric C
General Chemistry 3/4 D
Mechanical Engineering 3/4 B

Analytical Geometry F
Physical Education C
First Year German E
Civil Engineering B

For the year 1930-1931, the second semester.

English 112 Rhetoric B
General Chemistry 3/4 D
Mechanical Engineering C
Physical Education A
First Year German * F
Differental Calculus F

For the year 1931-1932, the first semester.

Physics, dynamics of sound
and light E
Differential Calculus D
Integral Calculus
Plane Anal. Geometry
English, short stories B

For the year 1931-1932, the second semester.

Integral Calculus D
English, Short Stories B
Physics, electricity
and magnetism D
Nuclear Physics F

Hubbards grade average was 2.28, or a "D" average.

SOURCE LINK

One might reach the following conclusion if one has attended college oneself, - that is, the ONLY way to get grades that bad are

IF ONE WAS NOT PRESENT AT MOST OF THE CLASSES.

Which begs the question, then, WHERE was he?

St Elizabeth's and one of its long term care facilities in the maryland suburbs were linked to the operations of MkUltra, as revealed in the scanty documents and testimony during a Congressional investigation...when the CIA was subpeona'd by the US Congress, they destroyed everything, shredded...



Arnie Lerma

Note: Perhaps this may have contributed to why he hated psychiatry so much???.. as well other sinister implications...
 
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Gadfly

Crusader
In hindsight, if one examines the official record of his grades:

For the year 1930-1931, the first semester.

English 1/2, Rhetoric C
General Chemistry 3/4 D
Mechanical Engineering 3/4 B

Analytical Geometry F
Physical Education C
First Year German E
Civil Engineering B

For the year 1930-1931, the second semester.

English 112 Rhetoric B
General Chemistry 3/4 D
Mechanical Engineering C
Physical Education A
First Year German * F
Differental Calculus F

For the year 1931-1932, the first semester.

Physics, dynamics of sound
and light E
Differential Calculus D
Integral Calculus
Plane Anal. Geometry
English, short stories B

For the year 1931-1932, the second semester.

Integral Calculus D
English, Short Stories B
Physics, electricity
and magnetism D
Nuclear Physics F

Hubbards grade average was 2.28, or a "D" average.

SOURCE LINK

Arnie Lerma

Well, Ron COULD HAVE gotten all A's if he had wanted to.

He was just too busy doing his extensive research into the human mind and soul!

Or, so a true-believin' over-indoctrinated RonBot will tell you.

:hysterical:
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
speaking as a vet myself, the primary fact of ron's military history is the fucker showed up. and the secondary fact is he showed up before the attack on pearl harbor. say anything you like about the character of his service but if you can't kick him down the basic respect those two facts warrant piss on ya

you are correct CB - he does deserve the kudos for that.

And if he had managed to just stick with that it would have been a much happier tale.
 

xguardian

Patron with Honors
OK - he was a marine in the reserves - mustered out as enlisted. Never saw active service. and "not to be re-enlisted" as an endorsement.

He then enlists as an officer in the Navy years later.July (IIRC) of 1941. As a Lt j.g.

After screwing up in his first assignment he is returned to the USA and after a few months in June of 1942 is assigned to get a converted trawler operational. As someone who already had sailed and had navigational experience that really wasn't a big jump. He also got promoted to the appropriate rank for that command - Lieutenant full grade.

He manages to get himself booted from that and ends up in training in Florida - not only exactly as it says in his record but as also attested to in court.

Again he is assigned command of a sub chaser - a ship with a complement of 80 - a lieutenant grade is appropriate for command of something this small.

And he manages to blow that assignment in 80 days. Again there is no gap in the record and there is no dispute that he was there.

So by June 1943 he has been promoted once and has blown his chance of advancement twice and has been damned lucky not to have been cashiered - which, in a Navy not desperate for personnel would surely have happened.

So thus far our "hero" has been an officer LESS THAN TWO YEARS (are you sure you can count?) with three major faux pas under his belt, two of which involve handling command of ships. Something the Navy was damned sure to never let him do again.

Apparently you know nothing about either the Navy or the situation in a rapidly expanding service that was desperately eager to find any sort of exploitable talent that it could use.

So far you have been wrong on time in rank, the level of command and you have not managed to advance one provable item about what Hubbard was doing alongside of screwing up his commands.

Seriously - if this is how you handled "intelligence" in the GO it's no wonder the US government managed to find out everything you guys were doing - talk about incompetence.

You are wrong...read the document. When he joined the Montana National Guard in 1927 he was in The U.S. Military. He officially resigned in 1950. From NG to Marines he was not in then out. He transferred services. Rank is not lost. Marines of course are Department of the Navy. Navy Intelligence began training him at his transfer for that purpose. In between schools and specialized training it is customary to be TDY (temporary duty) in regular service. When I was not being trained for Army Intel and or used in Intel Ops, I had different TDY assignments in Combat Arms operations etc..When I got out in 1975 from active duty, and joined the GO, I was still Army Reserve. :coolwink:
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
You are wrong...read the document. When he joined the Montana National Guard in 1927 he was in The U.S. Military. He officially resigned in 1950. From NG to Marines he was not in then out. He transferred services. Rank is not lost. Marines of course are Department of the Navy. Navy Intelligence began training him at his transfer for that purpose. In between schools and specialized training it is customary to be TDY (temporary duty) in regular service. When I was not being trained for Army Intel and or used in Intel Ops, I had different TDY assignments in Combat Arms operations etc..When I got out in 1975 from active duty, and joined the GO, I was still Army Reserve. :coolwink:

roflmao - seriously.

you just don;t seem to be able to get it at all. Whether you try to invent all kinds of intelligence conspiracies - really - WHAT WAS THE GREAT SECRET?????

Obviously you are under the credulous impression that the Naval intelligence had decided in 1931 that old Tubby was their man for some lifelong secret mission =- which even now has not seen the light of day.

IN 81 years the grand project has not even been talked about.

Well OK - if thats what you believe - then no wonder the GO lost so badly.
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
and , oh yeah


explain this one away


I am assuming of course that the mathematics doesn't elude you - include the check mark that says "less than 8 years" might be a clue

Or the official notations of separation.

Oh well - I realize that you are not going to understand it - this is merely for the edification of other readers and also to throw a little kudos Arnie's way.
 
roflmao - seriously.

you just don;t seem to be able to get it at all. Whether you try to invent all kinds of intelligence conspiracies - really - WHAT WAS THE GREAT SECRET?????

Obviously you are under the credulous impression that the Naval intelligence had decided in 1931 that old Tubby was their man for some lifelong secret mission =- which even now has not seen the light of day.

IN 81 years the grand project has not even been talked about.

Well OK - if thats what you believe - then no wonder the GO lost so badly.

Looks like Mick just shot you in the ass too!

Keep taking them for Hubbard!:clap::clap:

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

Lermanet_com

Gold Meritorious Patron
You are wrong...read the document. When he joined the Montana National Guard in 1927 he was in The U.S. Military.
SNIP

"* LRH attended Helena High School from 6 Sept, 1927 to 11 May 28, when he dropped out. (42)

In the summer of 1928, LRH returned to Guam and spent the full school year under intensive prepping by his mother in order to qualify for admittance to the Naval Academy, but failed math. (36)

* At the opening of the school year 1929-30, LRH was enrolled at Swavelys (Military) Prep School in Manassas, Virginia. He developed eyestrain and was found to be nearsighted, and so unqualified for the Naval Academy. (36)

*LRH was enrolled at the Woodward School for Boys in Washington, D.C, on Feb. 30, and graduated in june 1930. (13) " LINK

As I went to Western High School in DC I knew of Woodward School for Boys and it was a school for misfits....

Arnie Lerma
 

xguardian

Patron with Honors
roflmao - seriously.

you just don;t seem to be able to get it at all. Whether you try to invent all kinds of intelligence conspiracies - really - WHAT WAS THE GREAT SECRET?????

Obviously you are under the credulous impression that the Naval intelligence had decided in 1931 that old Tubby was their man for some lifelong secret mission =- which even now has not seen the light of day.

IN 81 years the grand project has not even been talked about.

Well OK - if thats what you believe - then no wonder the GO lost so badly.

Yes, 8 years active duty. All that means is 24/7 in uniform and on radar. Reserve status means at least one active weekend a month and 30-days a year. In wartime, especially if you are Intel...which he was, and had to have secret clearance, The Department of Defense can use how they want. Undercover/covert inserting you wherever they need you. And it was in 1945 Hubbard, still in Reserves, still in Intel hooked up with Jack Parsons who helped create and headed top secret JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory) and was disciple of Occultist Aleister Crowley and his future Wife Sara Northrop accused Russian spy.

Coincidence? Right! Any Intel personnel with secret clearance who leave active duty still reports and get's regular debriefings about their activity. My first reserve debriefing I was told to list all new relationships and anybody showing interest in me in any way. Do you know how Top Secret JPL was, and how the CIA,DIA,NSA,FBI and every other Alphabet had to be concerned with Parsons behavior? Wake up. It was not an accident or coincident LRH rented a room from him and they became chums.

LRH published DMSMH in 1950. One or more alphabet recruited LRH, and knew of his writings and early work and fitted him to Parsons and Northrop. While Parsons was a whacked-out Occultist, he was a top rocket scientist impressed by LRH. So was Naval Intelligence.

I made lifelong friends and contacts in Army Intel and I imagine Hubbard did too. Why did Army, Navy, Marine, Air Force,CIA, NSA, DIA, all have secret files on LRH? Hate him all you want, demonize him all you want but fact is when he didn't play ball with the powers that wanted his________....he was targeted.

Robert Dam of CoS Denmark has come to same conclusion as myself and many others regarding IRS/Interpol takeover of management http://www.robertdam-cos.dk/Management 1981_83.html :yes:
 
... Coincidence? Right! Any Intel personnel with secret clearance who leave active duty still reports and get's regular debriefings about their activity. My first reserve debriefing I was told to list all new relationships and anybody showing interest in me in any way. Do you know how Top Secret JPL was, and how the CIA,DIA,NSA,FBI and every other Alphabet had to be concerned with Parsons behavior? Wake up. It was not an accident or coincident LRH rented a room from him and they became chums. ...

Still its all supposition on your part. There is nothing to back it up except the word of a known cheat & liar. Admittedly cheating & lying are not known to disqualify one for work in 'intelligence'. Still, its not a basis for confidence, is it?


Mark A. Baker
 

xguardian

Patron with Honors
Still its all supposition on your part. There is nothing to back it up except the word of a known cheat & liar. Admittedly cheating & lying are not known to disqualify one for work in 'intelligence'. Still, its not a basis for confidence, is it?


Mark A. Baker

"All war is deception." Sun Tzu
:coolwink:
 

Student of Trinity

Silver Meritorious Patron
Nuclear Physics F

It may be worth going over this transcript again, and comparing it with the scanned copy that you can find on various sites (maybe Lermanet, in fact). Hubbard didn't fail nuclear physics; the subject didn't even exist at the time of his studies. He failed atomic physics, which is a completely different subject.

As far as atomic physics is concerned, the nucleus is just a charged point in the middle that keeps the electrons, which are the subject of study, from flying away. As far as nuclear physics is concerned, the rest of the atom is just a faint, far-away blur of electrons, which can be totally ignored, while the subject of study is the incredibly complex internal structure of the nucleus itself. The relevant size scale for nuclear physics is about 100,000 times smaller than the size scale for atomic physics. That's like the difference in size scale between atomic physics, and hairstyling. (Hair is about 100,000 times thicker than a typical atomic diameter.)

Hubbard claiming to be a nuclear physicist was kind of like somebody claiming to be a taxidermist because they had driven a cab. It's not only a fraud: it's an M/U.
 

xguardian

Patron with Honors
"All war is deception." Sun Tzu
:coolwink:

Seriously, look at the picture...(Wikipedia) Jack Parsons was interested in socialism and communism,[18] but he was sceptical of the ideas of Marxism and how they had been put into action by self-described 'communist' governments of the time, sarcastically writing that "The dictatorship of the proletariat is merely temporary—the state will eventually wither away like a snark hunter, leaving us all free as birds. Meanwhile it may be necessary to kill, torture and imprison a few million people, but whose fault is it if they get in the way of progress?"[19] He was also wary of integration of Marxian ideals into Western governments, prefacing his essay Freedom is a Two-Edged Sword with the warning: "The golden voice of social security, of socialized "this" and socialized "that," with its attendant confiscatory taxation and intrusion on individual liberty, is everywhere raised and everywhere heeded."[20] He was critical of the socialist policies instituted in the Soviet Union by the Communist Party under the leadership of Joseph Stalin at the time, believing that like the fascist leaders Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, they led to the "establishment of concentration camps, the murder and torture of free citizens, and the annihilation of all freedom."[17] He was also a zionist, and was supportive of the early creation of the State of Israel, making plans to emigrate there when his military security clearance was revoked due to his leftist beliefs[18] and/or for passing technology to Israel,[21] but his attempt to emigrate was prevented by his death.
In order to help bring about a freer society, Parsons believed in bringing about a liberalisation of sexual morality, which at the time was largely constrained by the dominant socially conservative attitudes within the United States. He believed that "The advent of psychonautical sciences and the publication of the Kinsey Report" into sexual diversity had an impact on western society that was "comparable to that of nuclear physics and the advent of the atomic bomb" and that in the future the restrictions on sexual morality within society should be abolished in order to bring about greater freedom and individuality.[22]
Although he commented primarily upon the situation of civil liberties and individual freedoms in his native United States, he believed that such things were of worldwide importance, and that:
We are one nation but we are also one world. The soul of the slums looks out of the eyes of Wall Street, and the fate of a Chinese coolie determines the destiny of America. We cannot suppress our brother's liberty without suppressing our own and we cannot murder our brothers without murdering ourselves. We will stand together as men for human freedom and human dignity or we will fall together, as animals, back into the jungle.

Ron Hubbard Jr. Penthouse interview: Penthouse: Your father was selling information to the Soviets?


Hubbard: Yes. That's where my father got the money to buy St. Hill Manor in East Grinstead, Sussex, which is the English headquarters of Scientology today.


Penthouse: What information did your father have to sell the Soviet government?

Hubbard: He didn't do any spying himself. What he normally did was allow these strange little people to go into the offices and into his home at odd hours of the night. He told me that he was allowing the KGB to go through our files, and that he was charging £40,000 for it. This was the money he used for the purchase of St. Hill Manor.


Penthouse: Do you know any specific information that the KGB got from your father that might have been harmful to security?


Hubbard: The plans for an infrared heat-seeking missile in the early fifties. They obtained the information by extensive auditing of the guy who was one of the head engineers. There were great infiltrations clear to this day. There has always been an inordinate interest on the part of Scientology in military and government personnel. There's no way for me to prove it sitting here, but I believe that the KGB trained East German agents who came via Denmark to London to the United States who were, supposedly, Scientologists. They made very good Scientologists. They were very well trained. end]


LRH hated communists! He infiltrated Parsons' world for the Feds. If Jr. was right LRH was double agent for U.S. No way would a former Naval Intel Officer involved with JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory go undetected letting KGB have free access to his files. Couldn't happen!

"All war is deception." Sun Tzu
:coolwink
 

InExile

Patron
Honestly, I must be in a time warp and returned to do research with Freedom Newspaper/Magazine. Half of it is just plain dribble...

I give kudos for joining etc... The fact still remains he F* up his naval career with his shenanigans and was unfit for Officer Command

We spent months researching his Naval career and things did not stack up we were clutching at straws and trying to fit a round peg in a square on the article.
The biggest issue was his alleged participation in Australia after the fall of Singapore.
 

SpecialFrog

Silver Meritorious Patron
and his future Wife Sara Northrop accused Russian spy.

Any docs on Sara Northrop being accused of being a Russian spy by anyone other than Hubbard? Also, if you look at his "appears mental" FBI file he was constantly accusing random people of being Russian spies.

Incidentally, why would he need to report Russian spies by writing letters to the FBI if he was in with the intelligence agencies? Or is his FBI file fake too?

Additionally, Hubbard repeatedly claimed that he had never been married to Sara Northrop and she was just a housekeeper. Are you saying he was lying?
 
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