Hysterical STANDING OVATIONS. HITLER had them too

Lermanet_com

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Circa Feb. 1982, my first night in Stevens Creek Mission, everyone standing and clapping at a picture of LRH on the wall. It was probably the first clue I had that something is not right in Scientology. I had read The Gulag Archipelago a few years previously and [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Solzhenitsyn describes the Central Committee standing and clapping at a portrait of Stalin for forty-five minutes, no one wanting to be the first to stop and be seen as an "enemy". Could end a career and get shipped to the Gulag for that. So I was intrigued by this same silliness in Scientology and wanted to see how long it lasted. When I was in the SO at INCOMM I never saw it go on more than maybe three minutes or so, although it felt like forever sometimes. Anyway, The Gulag Archipelago is a first person account of just how insane humans can go with group think and one of the most depressing books ever written so I knew right from the start from what I saw that Scientology had the same potential for idiocy. How did this clap at the LRH picture get started? Any old-timers know the story?

I'm not going to watch the video with the midget, It would be 2:33 of my life I'd never get back. :)
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Trust me you don't want to know...

I believe Mr Hubbard got the idea from hanging out at Jack Parson's Agape(*note) Lodge in Pasadena..

On the wall of every room was a big picture of aleister crowley.....


And the real "tech" involved is from:

THE PSYCHOLOGY OF SUGGESTION by Boris Sidis 1898 New York, D Appleton and co.

Gustave Le Bon, founder of social psychology Father of collective behavior theory, (author of) THE CROWD gives the basic principles of manipulating crowds into servile flocks, a "group mind" concept. "I have heard that Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, [Mussolini] and deGaulle were at one time or another, all close students of Le Bon's work.

(Gustave Le Bon's)THE CROWD has probably had as much practical influence on modern political behavior as any single document, including (machiavelli) THE PRINCE"

Note: The "Agape" name was used by a 3rd century AD Christian Sex cult...,
 
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Yuck! The last guy to say thanks got a scornful laugh out of me when he said "Thanks for the RTC for keeping the tech pure"! What a load of crap. Not that the tech is worth anything anyways, pure or not. And then the special thanks to Miscavige. I just about barfed my pants.

well, understand that Xenu and the Volcanos (and the the rest of 1978 OT Levels) was claimed by RTC, under penalty of perjury to be:

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"ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY" < full caps as used by RTC in numerous filings and pleadings in RTC vs Lerma...
 

Operating DB

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Back in the days of the Missions, when I went to missions in the mid-70s to early 80s, we only clapped at musters for each other; we never clapped at a picture of LRH.

As a matter of fact there were not that many pictures of LRH around in comparison to what I saw going up on org walls beginning in the mid 80s.

Speaking of accolades for LRH I think a good Youtube video would be one that shows a person walking up to the LRH bust, turning his rump towards the bust and leaning the rump close to the bust and cutting loose with a huge loud break winded flatulence like none ever heard before.

Then he can walk away and as he does he mutters "dude, hip hip hooray"

Rd00

Great idea for a You Tube video! Does anyone have a bust of Hubturd? Even a picture would work. Any volunteers?

I always liked the idea of an LRH dart board.
 

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Oh God!

This brings back some very painful memories. I was in the audience for about ten of these events at St Hill. It was so tedious having to get up and down for those ludicrous standing ovations. Miscavige just loved the adoration – the way he just stood there smugly with that “Aw shucks, all that just for little ol’ me?” look on his smarmy little face makes me sick.

What a waste of my life!

TACKY?

the stage mockups are so garish and grotesque they make ceasar's palace look amish

Absolutely! When they first started having the events at St Hill, they were held in the Great Hall and there was a quite tasteful oaken arch framing the stage. But this obviously wasn’t ostentatious enough for the Tiny Tyrant, so the stages and props got more and more fantastical, culminating in the monstrosities we see today.

Appropriately, the pillars and most other structural elements are constructed from polystyrene and chipboard with a flashy paint-job. All bling and no substance.

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Hopefully in a couple of years, DM will be giving his presentation from here:


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Axiom142
 

Dulloldfart

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Appropriately, the pillars and most other structural elements are constructed from polystyrene and chipboard with a flashy paint-job. All bling and no substance.

Yeah. Same at the Shrine. I remember touching up the gold paint on one. There's still a good chunk of substance if one of the polystyrene pillars fell on you, though. You think expanded polystyrene is light because you're accustomed to little bits of it as packing material, but when it's a huge motherfucker 30 foot high and three feet across it is *not* light!

Paul
 

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Originally Posted by Commander Birdstong
TACKY?

the stage mockups are so garish and grotesque they make ceasar's palace look amish


:hysterical:

So true! :thumbsup:

And, DM apparently thinks such "stages" look "professional". Lord, he is such a pretentious buffoon.


But, the cool part is that Scientology looks like exactly what it is.

A desperate-to-impress fast (spiritual) food McPalace.

A garish wanna-be casino where busloads of hopeful people are rushed in with glitz and promise of big "winnings"--only to leave later with financial losses and a hangover.

From the thread "Things Wogs Don't Know About Scientologists" comes this:


Wogs don't know that Scientology is a spiritual casino that, despite the sign over the front door that reads 'EVERYBODY WINS!', has never once paid out a jackpot from any of its OT games.

Ron the Dealer

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Ron spins...
HOUSE WINS!

 

Dave B.

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Oh God!

This brings back some very painful memories. I was in the audience for about ten of these events at St Hill. It was so tedious having to get up and down for those ludicrous standing ovations. Miscavige just loved the adoration – the way he just stood there smugly with that “Aw shucks, all that just for little ol’ me?” look on his smarmy little face makes me sick.

What a waste of my life!



Absolutely! When they first started having the events at St Hill, they were held in the Great Hall and there was a quite tasteful oaken arch framing the stage. But this obviously wasn’t ostentatious enough for the Tiny Tyrant, so the stages and props got more and more fantastical, culminating in the monstrosities we see today.

Appropriately, the pillars and most other structural elements are constructed from polystyrene and chipboard with a flashy paint-job. All bling and no substance.

6479148733_fa4c292237_z.jpg


6479133137_fcc6a2e09b_z.jpg


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Hopefully in a couple of years, DM will be giving his presentation from here:


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Axiom142

Those pictures, particularly the first two, for some reason make me think of Battlefield Earth. Where LRH is hoping his readers associate him with Jetero Heller and that LRH is actually paralleling in real life the story. Saving the Earth and all. I realised looking at those pictures LRH is ACTUALLY J.Walter Madman. Remember J. Walter and his crew in the story? That is Scientology.

Sorry for the clumsy analogy, anyone see what I'm driving at?
 

Operating DB

Truman Show Dropout
...

But, the cool part is that Scientology looks like exactly what it is.

A desperate-to-impress fast (spiritual) food McPalace.

A garish wanna-be casino where busloads of hopeful people are rushed in with glitz and promise of big "winnings"--only to leave later with financial losses and a hangover.

From the thread "Things Wogs Don't Know About Scientologists" comes this:
Wogs don't know that Scientology is a spiritual casino that, despite the sign over the front door that reads 'EVERYBODY WINS!', has never once paid out a jackpot from any of its OT games.


Wow! That is so fucking true! That is a great analogy!
 
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Infinite

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When Scientologists are warned to stay away from the Internet, it is precisely presentations like this they are trying to avoid.

When Indie Scientologists are afraid to come to ESMB and (instead) hurl names like "hater" and "natterer" and "low toned entheta" they are talking about this kind of documentary that they are so fearful of.

They are actually not afraid of haters & natterers. They are afraid of facts.

What would actually happen if Indie Scientologists were polled for whether they think Ron Hubbard knowingly, causatively and intentionally "shed his encumbrance" to go to do research in outer space?

It's one of the dirty little secrets of "indies" that they don't answer questions like that with very few exceptions.

There are so many forbidden subjects for a Scientologist to learn about. Especially Scientology.

I don't know that the Indie Dependents and other Scientologists generally are "afraid of facts" per se. In their mind, there are no absolutes and facts are dependent on viewpoint. Its a world where up can mean down and the L Ron Hubbard Law of Commotion can be ignored because of things like "intent" and atomised context. Structural coherence is far too banky a concept worthy of homo novis consideration.

What I think they fear most is the "invalidation" which comes from disagreement. Those of us not locked into the Scientology mind fuck know that where agreement meets disagreement one will find the melting pot of ideas, the arena in which beliefs and facts are put to the test with a view to leaving behind that of which we once were certain. Or finding new evidence to support it. Invalidation is a Scientologist's kryptonite and disagreement the enemy of their reality.
 
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I posted this video before on another thread here on ESMB but I think it belongs here too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYG5ayrd040

Love

Markus


Markus,

Thank you for posting that video again.

It can and should be posted, without limitation, any time the deluded do not think that Scientology is an early-stage Nazi-like movement to dominate the world.

The trick is:

* If this is stated too soon (before Scn has more power) it is scoffed at by apologists who try to shift blame to the whistleblower, leveling accusations like "tin foil conspiracy Kook" and other thought-stopping pejoratives.

* If this is stated too late (after Scn has sufficient power) it is lamented by those same weak-minded persons who "wish we could have seen the early warning signs".

Hitler clearly laid out his intentions in Mein Kampf. His sociopathy in the book was not hidden with regard to propaganda lies to inspire the battle cry against a "Common Enemy". It was written about prior to WW II in the 1939 essay by Kenneth Burke called 'The Rhetoric of Hitler's Battle'.

Burke clearly laid out the dark path that Hitler revealed in that book with regard to the final solution to the "Jewish Peril" and even disclosed his method of convincing people to commit such unthinkable atrocities:

Symbolic rebirth
Wink and others identify symbolic rebirth rhetoric as allowing a people to aspire towards a new utopian society; when the scapegoat is eliminated, a re-birth will occur. The morally negative action of elimination is justified by a positive goal of symbolic re-birth, where all ideals are realised. It will only occur once in the lifetime.

Hubbard has likewise quite foolishly laid out his own sociopathic intentions in his books and writings. One need look no further than the early than Hubbard's 1951 book Science of Survival, written a mere 6 years after Hitler's death.

What does anyone think that the rhetorical flourishes such as "Golden Age", "New Civilization" and "Cleared Planet" are, if not "a positive goal of symbolic re-birth" used to justify the "morally negative action of elimination"?


The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the tone scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered. It is not necessary to produce a world of clears in order to have a reasonable and worthwhile social order; it is only necessary to delete those individuals who range from 2.0 down, either by processing them enough to get their tone level above the 2.0 line — a task which, indeed, is not very great, since the amount of processing in many cases might be under fifty hours, although it might also in others be in excess of two hundred — or simply quarantining them from the society. A Venezuelan dictator [Juan Vicente Gómez] once decided to stop leprosy. He saw that most lepers in his country were also beggars. By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country. (Hubbard; Science of Survival)

And, there are countless other homicidal and genocidal "command intentions" clearly laid out by Hubbard in the cult's seminal and single most sacred scripture, Mein KSW.

Even a casual student of Hubbard's madness quickly collides with something else that there is no conceivable rationalization for in his widely-publicized and murderous Fair Game policies.

Markus, I greatly appreciate your including these kind of references as often as you feel appropriate. It is inestimably better than having to listen to a hand-wringing victim whining (after the fact) "If we had only known what Hubbard was planning to do!"

Hubbard sought to buy, co-opt or take over his own country more than once. Does anyone doubt that if it were allowed, Scientology's elite Sea Org and OSA would be heavily armed as they broke into SP's homes and pistol whipped them before dragging them off to RPF concentration camps to be slavishly worked to death for the greater good?
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
[video]http://youtu.be/GMPln9M6eRo[/video]

1) I never realized before that an ego could be [STRIKE]masturbated[/STRIKE] flattered so deeply
2) I never realized that one could [STRIKE]come[/STRIKE] [STRIKE]reach such an orgasm[/STRIKE] enjoy so much (this flattery)
3) I never taught that one could , without being shy, let it be so visible
:duh:

really, it has never be so crystal clear before in any video
(as I never met His holiness Davey 1st - I had no idea of what some people describe before - now I beleive I understand a part of Hisself personnality)

Thank's to His Holiness
for exposing his true himself
:clap:
 
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Infinite

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I posted this video before on another thread here on ESMB but I think it belongs here too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYG5ayrd040

Love

Markus

Thanks for that.

I think it was Karen here who once described the effects of Scientology as being akin to a holocaust. At the time I thought the statement was a bit extreme. Upon reflection, and assuming there is a spiritual world, I have come to agree. Scientology has certainly taken many, many lives and the only difference in effect that I can see between what Hitler and L Ron Hubbard has done is that the latter kept the large majority his victims alive.
 

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I don't know that the Indie Dependents and other Scientologists generally are "afraid of facts" per se. In their mind, there are no absolutes and facts are dependent on viewpoint. Its a world where up can mean down and the L Ron Hubbard Law of Commotion can be ignored because of things like "intent" and atomised context. Structural coherence is far too banky a concept worthy of homo novis consideration.

What I think they fear most is the "invalidation" which comes from disagreement. Those of us not locked into the Scientology mind fuck know that where agreement meets disagreement one will find the melting pot of ideas, the arena in which beliefs and facts are put to the test with a view to leaving behind that of which we once were certain. Or finding new evidence to support it. Invalidation is a Scientologist's kryptonite and disagreement the enemy of their reality.


Well, agreed.

But. . . maybe this is a better way to illustrate my point:

L & N

Who or What would invalidate a Scientologist's reality?



A human tic

An SP tic

A psych tic

A merchant of chaos tic

A wog tic

An investigative journalist tic

A squirrel tic

An evil being trying to destroy me tic

A fact LFBD F/N

PC cogs: "Oh, it's not the messenger--it's the message that's f*cking up my case!"


 

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That freeze-frame in the video looks like a promo piece for the TV game show:

WHAT'S MY NAME BITCH?

[video=youtube;GMPln9M6eRo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GMPln9M6eRo#t=0s[/video]​

Contestants try to win Total Freedom by competing to see who can give COB the most tone 40 obsequiously servile compliments.



WOMAN CONTESTANT
How can we ever put our exchange in to COB?
It wouldn't even be enough thanks if we let him
break into our homes and steal all our possessions
and anally rape us at knifepoint. Would it?


Audience roars with approval.

The Applause-Meter on screen rockets to the right.

COB, taking a cue from the off-stage director,
looks down at at his feet in mock humility,
while actually admiring his 1800 dollar Berluti loafers.

 

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[video=youtube;GMPln9M6eRo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GMPln9M6eRo#t=0s[/video]

There was a great line from that movie Gladiator that was spoken by the former general turned gladiator to the emperor ... it was a Russell Crow line ...
"Your time of self congratulations will soon be over, your highness." I think that line is most appropos in this situation with the evil oompa loompa.

Pete
 

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Thanks for that.

I think it was Karen here who once described the effects of Scientology as being akin to a holocaust. At the time I thought the statement was a bit extreme. Upon reflection, and assuming there is a spiritual world, I have come to agree. Scientology has certainly taken many, many lives and the only difference in effect that I can see between what Hitler and L Ron Hubbard has done is that the latter kept the large majority his victims alive.

Get with the program, dude. Any connection between Scientology abuses and bizarre behavior and Hubbard's teachings are to be downplayed, or ignored. The problem is David Miscavige, not L. Ron Hubbard.

Plus, Miscavige is actually an anti-Scientologist. In fact, he's the number one anti-Scientologist.

Get the idea? Good. :yes:
 

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Get with the program, dude. Any connection between Scientology abuses and bizarre behavior and Hubbard's teachings are to be downplayed, or ignored. The problem is David Miscavige, not L. Ron Hubbard.

Plus, Miscavige is actually an anti-Scientologist. In fact, he's the number one anti-Scientologist.

Get the idea? Good. :yes:


Good point! None of us where there and physically witnessed Ron writing and signing the Fair Game policy, so who knows who really wrote it?

A good friend of mine was the Commodore's typist and she says that while on the ship, Ron gave her a dictation tape and told her to transcribe it. She said it was the Fair Game policy.

But really, how can we be sure that someone didn't get that tape and impersonate Ron and change what he said. For that matter, how do we even know that it was the real Ron aboard the Apollo. I don't think fingerprint or DNA technology existed then, so it's better not to speculate.

I'd rather focus on the positive things in life. Hey! Did you know Ron was the youngest person ever to solve the NY Times Sunday crossword puzzle at age 3?

ML,

Irving the Indie

(okay so none of that happened and I'm going to lose my eternity, so what?)
 
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