Okay guys! I am that guy he is talking about. I am his friend. Anyways I am going to make a long story short. I have a history of doing psych meds.
I joined the church to get off of that. I paid like 1600 for doing the purif. Later they found they can not offer me that service cuz I did meds and the new life center would have to do that. But i had a hard time getting a hold of the girl that sold it to me and took my credit card money. She really tried to sell me hardcore. And I kept calling her everyday she never responded until i found out she is not at liberty to talk to me.
So then the church told me I could get my money back because I was not able to do their service. But then the sea org called me and said I would be kicked out if i got my money back. I was in rage and she just remained calm. But then the girl in charge at the church said in my situation I can get my money back because I am not able to do service there. So they did give me back that check for around $1500 or 1600.
So I did my detox at the new life center. After 1 and a half months I finished my time over there. I went back to the church, they told me I now need to do TR's and Objectives. So I payed about $750 plus $100 for the books and stuff. They kind of got the money from me as quick as they could.
3 days into the course the day time girl told me to take a break for a month or so. I told her I wasn't feeling well physically so she told me to get well and come back in a month so that i could focus better. So I came back in a month. Then they told me that there is prerequisites to getting back into TR's and Objectives. They said because I am not eligible even though I payed my money. The reason is because I took meds and their is special procedure for me. I would have to complete all my basic courses plus the minister course and then the scienotlogy helping course.
But then the guy had promised me that I would get my money back. I was skeptical because you know how scientology is with that. They get all funny.
So for 3 weeks the guy said that he needed to ask the treasury the procedure about getting me my money back. In the meantime he had me taking my first basic course. He said it would take 6 months to a year probably to complete all these courses which would cost about 2 grand more. So basically he kept forgetting to ask the treasury or whatever you call it.
So then 3 weeks later he got a hold of the treasury. Then he told me that the person that would know would be this other officer named Ryan. And so then I asked Ryan if I could get my money back. He said that if I were to get a refund, I would not be allowed into the church anymore. I said that it was crazy because Karl had said I would be given a refund no question asked. He said that the church kind of holds grudges because I already got money back from them for the detox. But then I explained that the only reason I got that money back was so I could use that money to where they can offer me service. He said it doesn't matter. He said I can use the money i have on the account and use it for the other services. He said either I am in or I'm out. He said he doesn't have time for all this. Said that it's disrespectful considering others have 80 grand or 20 grand on their account and are appreciative.
So I went back to Karl and was like what the heck man? You said I would be given my money back! Then he said, well when we say ''refund'' we don't really mean refund. But we mean you can use that money to buy the other services. Infact I would take that 700 bucks and spend it on the lectures. The lectures are 3 grand but with using that money would be 700 dollars cheaper. I asked him why he told me i would get my money back then. Then he kind of laughed and was like eh, same thing, you know what I meant.
So then I told Ryan that I want my money back for real even if it meant getting kicked out. I told him he should never sell me all these services if they are always going to turn around and say i can't do the service. He said i was NOT refused service. He said i have the right to take the service, just that there are prerequisites.
So he sent me to Ronaldo, the guy that would be refunding me the money. Ronaldo talked to me for 2 hours and told me that it's my choice but it's a dark world out there and the doors would be shut for me. He had me read a couple of books and then after that he showed me the steps. I would have to get a notary signing and then all this other stuff. I just lost focus and didn't want to deal with it. It was already 2 months and now I had to go to a notary and do all these other procedures. I don't know, I gave up and remained in limbo for 1 and a half years.
Then i had 2 church members call me up last week. They invited me to a seminar so they could fix our problems. Then they were talking to the new guy and told him they need to look into my account. He said their may be complications and would call me back. Then i got an email from the guy Ryan. This is what it said.
Hi Julian,
This is Ryan. You may remember me from 2008. I looked into your account and see that you got a full repayment way back in October (A check for $1861). Email me back if you have any questions.
Ryan
And then I called and said that they still owe me the money for the Tr's and objectives. they never payed me. I don't even know what the 1861 was for. It was more like 1600. He said he had talked to the finances department. They told him that they payed me off already. But it's not true. It's been over a year now and I am pretty pissed off again. They took my money and never gave me service for the money I payed. Now they claim to have gave me all my money back. Not true.
I joined the church to get off of that. I paid like 1600 for doing the purif. Later they found they can not offer me that service cuz I did meds and the new life center would have to do that. But i had a hard time getting a hold of the girl that sold it to me and took my credit card money. She really tried to sell me hardcore. And I kept calling her everyday she never responded until i found out she is not at liberty to talk to me.
So then the church told me I could get my money back because I was not able to do their service. But then the sea org called me and said I would be kicked out if i got my money back. I was in rage and she just remained calm. But then the girl in charge at the church said in my situation I can get my money back because I am not able to do service there. So they did give me back that check for around $1500 or 1600.
So I did my detox at the new life center. After 1 and a half months I finished my time over there. I went back to the church, they told me I now need to do TR's and Objectives. So I payed about $750 plus $100 for the books and stuff. They kind of got the money from me as quick as they could.
3 days into the course the day time girl told me to take a break for a month or so. I told her I wasn't feeling well physically so she told me to get well and come back in a month so that i could focus better. So I came back in a month. Then they told me that there is prerequisites to getting back into TR's and Objectives. They said because I am not eligible even though I payed my money. The reason is because I took meds and their is special procedure for me. I would have to complete all my basic courses plus the minister course and then the scienotlogy helping course.
But then the guy had promised me that I would get my money back. I was skeptical because you know how scientology is with that. They get all funny.
So for 3 weeks the guy said that he needed to ask the treasury the procedure about getting me my money back. In the meantime he had me taking my first basic course. He said it would take 6 months to a year probably to complete all these courses which would cost about 2 grand more. So basically he kept forgetting to ask the treasury or whatever you call it.
So then 3 weeks later he got a hold of the treasury. Then he told me that the person that would know would be this other officer named Ryan. And so then I asked Ryan if I could get my money back. He said that if I were to get a refund, I would not be allowed into the church anymore. I said that it was crazy because Karl had said I would be given a refund no question asked. He said that the church kind of holds grudges because I already got money back from them for the detox. But then I explained that the only reason I got that money back was so I could use that money to where they can offer me service. He said it doesn't matter. He said I can use the money i have on the account and use it for the other services. He said either I am in or I'm out. He said he doesn't have time for all this. Said that it's disrespectful considering others have 80 grand or 20 grand on their account and are appreciative.
So I went back to Karl and was like what the heck man? You said I would be given my money back! Then he said, well when we say ''refund'' we don't really mean refund. But we mean you can use that money to buy the other services. Infact I would take that 700 bucks and spend it on the lectures. The lectures are 3 grand but with using that money would be 700 dollars cheaper. I asked him why he told me i would get my money back then. Then he kind of laughed and was like eh, same thing, you know what I meant.
So then I told Ryan that I want my money back for real even if it meant getting kicked out. I told him he should never sell me all these services if they are always going to turn around and say i can't do the service. He said i was NOT refused service. He said i have the right to take the service, just that there are prerequisites.
So he sent me to Ronaldo, the guy that would be refunding me the money. Ronaldo talked to me for 2 hours and told me that it's my choice but it's a dark world out there and the doors would be shut for me. He had me read a couple of books and then after that he showed me the steps. I would have to get a notary signing and then all this other stuff. I just lost focus and didn't want to deal with it. It was already 2 months and now I had to go to a notary and do all these other procedures. I don't know, I gave up and remained in limbo for 1 and a half years.
Then i had 2 church members call me up last week. They invited me to a seminar so they could fix our problems. Then they were talking to the new guy and told him they need to look into my account. He said their may be complications and would call me back. Then i got an email from the guy Ryan. This is what it said.
Hi Julian,
This is Ryan. You may remember me from 2008. I looked into your account and see that you got a full repayment way back in October (A check for $1861). Email me back if you have any questions.
Ryan
And then I called and said that they still owe me the money for the Tr's and objectives. they never payed me. I don't even know what the 1861 was for. It was more like 1600. He said he had talked to the finances department. They told him that they payed me off already. But it's not true. It's been over a year now and I am pretty pissed off again. They took my money and never gave me service for the money I payed. Now they claim to have gave me all my money back. Not true.