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I didn't keep my TRs in, and I am NOT sorry.

I'm having a difficult time adjusting, although it's already been a year since I quit working for the Church of Scientology. Things that happen to me now- arguments, bad news, random waves of depression- are now all experienced differently. Usually on top of whatever thing that is happening, my first thought will flash into my head, and the second is always "I never would have thought that as a Scientologist," followed by "I feel so socially incompetent right now," followed by some grief, and then anger, and then a really good feeling hits - that all of those thoughts and emotions are MINE, and no one else's, and although things hurt at the moment, I can make them okay again. I'm not as stuck anymore.


Last night I got into an argument with a longtime friend and roommate of mine. We typically have little tiffs over things like how often we hang out, how when we do hang out we never actually do anything, etc. Last night we got into it again, but something happened with me: I could NOT hide my anger with her. I could NOT pretend like everything was OK. I could NOT "Keep my TRs in." I was provoked, and I just LET IT HAPPEN.


I COULD control what I was saying and was able to express myself without slinging every slur and accusation I was thinking at her. I could NOT stop from raising my voice or crying.


Most of the crying came from realizing I felt like she was attacking me when she merely tried bringing up an issue. This is something that goes back to being a child and a teenager - my parents never asked me to change something or do something differently - I was ALWAYS attacked, whether it be an ass-beating, a slap across the hand, or a bout of screaming at me while I just sat there and took it. The feeling of being attacked when criticized was something that was deeply ingrained already, but then backed up and solidified in me as a Scientologist. My thought process was "I'm a Scientologist and am trying to improve my life and the lives of others to save this God-forsaken place." If anyone criticized me for my involvement, or told me I had vanished from their lives because of it, or I didn't keep up my end of a bargain because I was too busy on post, I interpreted it as a direct attack on me, and a direct attack on Scientology. Therefore, they were wrong, I was right, and I didn't waste my time on those who criticized me.


Regarding my friend and I, I think it just comes down to the fact that we both have issues of our own, some that make us both very hard to be friends with at points. She is afraid to bring up issues because I get upset and take it as an attack, or I shut down and don't talk about things. She is insecure and tests me, and tends to assume the worst in me, no matter how much effort I put into trying to fix it. And sometimes we just have miscommunications- our inner demons interpreting what the other has said for us.


It's all very fascinating, the stuff of communication. And it's all very fascinating, knowing I will never not have any personal demons. I can tame them, or handle them, or nurture them, or ignore them - or not. I won't ever be pretending that they have been audited away. I won't ever pretend that a demon that has been handled can't come back.


I am a WOG. I am a real life, breathing, shitting, eating, blinking, fucking human being. And despite the uncontrollable emotions, traumas that have scarred me, weird things my body does, and the pain that comes from falling on my face, I am TOTALLY cool with being alive, and owning my emotions. It is pretty awesome.
 

CommunicatorIC

@IndieScieNews on Twitter
I'm having a difficult time adjusting, although it's already been a year since I quit working for the Church of Scientology.
I would like to gently and respectfully suggest that you consider seeing a well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed therapist if you are having a difficult time adjusting. I do so with the idea that even if not "necessary," doing so might be helpful and facilitate your adjustment.

There is no reason to go through this alone, and there are people who are educated to help, experienced, and want to help.

[NOTE: There might be some who will argue that a therapist being "well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed" guarantees nothing. That would be correct. What a therapist being "well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed" does do, however, is greatly increase the chances, the probability, that the therapist will be helpful, and not harmful, and that the therapy will be efficacious. In other words, in the absence of other information, having a therapist who is "well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed" is probably better than having one who is not.]
 

La La Lou Lou

Crusader
I would like to gently and respectfully suggest that you consider seeing a well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed therapist if you are having a difficult time adjusting. I do so with the idea that even if not "necessary," doing so might be helpful and facilitate your adjustment.

There is no reason to go through this alone, and there are people who are educated to help, experienced, and want to help.

[NOTE: There might be some who will argue that a therapist being "well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed" guarantees nothing. That would be correct. What a therapist being "well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed" does do, however, is greatly increase the chances, the probability, that the therapist will be helpful, and not harmful, and that the therapy will be efficacious. In other words, in the absence of other information, having a therapist who is "well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed" is probably better than having one who is not.]

Learning to be human again is not easy, and yes a good counsellor can help.
Learning to be comfortable with feelings, emotions and even hormonal changes is part of the process of becoming yourself after leaving. It's a bit like a second teenage period.
 

Anonycat

Crusader
I would like to gently and respectfully suggest that you consider seeing a well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed therapist if you are having a difficult time adjusting. I do so with the idea that even if not "necessary," doing so might be helpful and facilitate your adjustment.

There is no reason to go through this alone, and there are people who are educated to help, experienced, and want to help.

[NOTE: There might be some who will argue that a therapist being "well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed" guarantees nothing. That would be correct. What a therapist being "well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed" does do, however, is greatly increase the chances, the probability, that the therapist will be helpful, and not harmful, and that the therapy will be efficacious. In other words, in the absence of other information, having a therapist who is "well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed" is probably better than having one who is not.]

When I've needed to find a new doctor or dentist, I check Yelp!, if I don't have any personal recommendations. You can also check credentials, and other things that might be important to you. The last doctor I got, was this way, and he is fantastic.
 

The Sloth

Patron with Honors
Congratulations. Not "degrading" someone while expressing your true emotions is a wonderful release. We all have a bad point on the "self-importance" button...:coolwink: Seeing beyond it, and communicating with reality (even if it just is the heat of the moment)is a major part of living your life. From what I have seen, it is almost as if "scientologists" go into a cocoon of propitiation towards life...like "i'm entitled to not have to suffer the slings and arrows of life coz I am cool with L. Ron" kind of thing. But it stops all personal growth,

Thanks for sharing.
 

NoName

A Girl Has No Name
I'd add that many therapists these days are extremely respectful about it if you tell them you want no medication. I did not go to therapy specifically for help with cult recovery, but she knew I had very strong anti-medication feelings and worked with me even so. She even admitted that medications are not for everyone, and that most people do just fine in therapy without them.
 

Lori

Cheryl E Love
I'd add that many therapists these days are extremely respectful about it if you tell them you want no medication. I did not go to therapy specifically for help with cult recovery, but she knew I had very strong anti-medication feelings and worked with me even so. She even admitted that medications are not for everyone, and that most people do just fine in therapy without them.

I agree totally that there are many therapist that not only respect no medication and I found this is becoming the norm more and more.

I too went thru the "release of emotions" phase when I escaped. I suspect most of us do. It is normal, and as long as you can recognize it as part of recovery and stop short of a melt down....fantastic!

I sought help because of the accompanying divorce from someone I never dreamed or envisioned being without. My therapist, once she was enlightened about the cult, was of tremendous help.

Congratulations again for getting out and joining humanity. We can be an emotional species for sure but......it is what makes us unique! :rose:
 

WildKat

Gold Meritorious Patron
Most of the crying came from realizing I felt like she was attacking me when she merely tried bringing up an issue.

Good post. Welcome to the Board!

Sorry for isolating this one sentence, but I think this is an important issue to bring up. Many Scientologists come out of the cult thinking that any discussion of issues is an "attack". This point has come up frequently in other threads.

There are ALWAYS going to be issues, or simply seeing things from different points of view. Discussion or criticism or different viewpoints is not the same as attack. Having disagreements or different viewpoints is what makes us human and individual.

I think LRon himself had a button on this issue, and it carries on in his policies. Disagreeing with someone is not attacking them. This is one of the hardest things anyone has to learn, but I think it is ESPECIALLY difficult for us ex-culties.

In any event, it is good to talk about it, that's what we're here for!
 

Dave B.

Maximus Ultimus Mostimus
"I am a WOG. I am a real life, breathing, shitting, eating, blinking, fucking human being. And despite the uncontrollable emotions, traumas that have scarred me, weird things my body does, and the pain that comes from falling on my face, I am TOTALLY cool with being alive, and owning my emotions. It is pretty awesome."

It is, ain't it? My emotions turned on full blast last year. It kinda scared me. Quite a transformation and learning how to deal with them has been trying, but educational. How to be true to myself without alienating people. I still feel like a baby but I'm getting better at being a integrated human being. I think the kult impacted them more than I realized.

I found out people like me for who I am. Who I really am, not a kult front personality. I thought I had never bought into that, (I was only in the S.O. 11-1/2 months) but I did somewhat. So getting to who I really am is and has been an educational journey. I'm grateful I can begin this, even if it's late in coming. ;-)

I didn't want to seek help but I did. Actually went to a shrink ;-) It did help. Went for a couple months, once a week. Just talking about the kult and my experienced in it helped me a lot. I educated her about the kult quite a bit too in that regard. I realized at a point that I no longer needed her help.That I was doing enough work on my recovery on my own already. She said if I need her she's there.

The $cn. kults' attitude towards psych's is ridiculously out-dated and cartoonish. Same experience re: drugs I felt I didn't need them, she was fine with that.

Anyway. Welcome.
 

DeeAnna

Patron Meritorious
"I felt like she was attacking me when she merely tried bringing up an issue."

Please know that this is not a trait exclusive to $cientologists! What you described above, Frankie, sounds to me very much like what a lot of couples experience within a relationship. So hang in there!

As for the counseling, I'm also am advocate. If the thought of individual counseling is off-putting, consider "couples counseling". It can be extremely valuable to a relationship. (And at least you get somebody to listen to your side of things ONCE in a while. LOL!)

Again, hang in there. It sounds like you are doing just fine. Ain't life grand?


Side note on living each day: Call from dear daughter. Up in mountains (Western Pennsylvania hills) for ski weekend with group of adult skier friends. Fifty-five year old friend did not come down for breakfast this morning. They entered his room in the condo. He had died during the night. She is a medical professional. Said he was cold. No signs or symptoms, skied all day yesterday.

Let us each value every single day of our lives.
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Welcome to the wog world, indeed! And being a wog means living with possibilities of change and happiness. You've gotten excellent advise here in this thread. I will only add my 2 cents worth.

I personally found traditional Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) to be helpful in getting over the bulk of the trauma I experienced and the unhelpful emotional reactions to people and things I was having before, during and especially after leaving scientology. Others have mentioned CBT has helped them, as well. While we were not "mentally ill", we were caught in a trap of almost automatic reactions that were not healthy. Scientology caused much thought changes that actually justified keeping these unhealthy reactions. When I left, I began to see how much damage I had done to others and myself. I had to change because I had children and I could see that it was not healthy for them for me to be locked into emotional patterns that were not helping them and those I cared about.

Among the different therapies available ( and therapists do not prescribe medications, btw ) CBT is what was best for me and some other exes. Perhaps it's worth looking into to see if it might be an option to help you with. There's no 'eval or inval' in this. They just have you talk, look at what you are saying and then come up with a solution to try and adjust or change the behavior to get the outcome you would really like in a situation. Very empowering to not only feel like one can change but to see that one was able to make a change and feel better because of it.

Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) is a form of psychotherapy that treats problems and boosts happiness by modifying dysfunctional emotions, behaviors, and thoughts. Unlike traditional Freudian psychoanalysis, which probes childhood wounds to get at the root causes of conflict, CBT focuses on solutions, encouraging patients to challenge distorted cognitions and change destructive patterns of behavior.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/cognitive-behavioral-therapy

You can locate a CBT therapist at this directory by location
http://www.abctcentral.org/xFAT/?fa=search_Advanced

Best wishes in your recovery :)

Mary McConnell
 

DeeAnna

Patron Meritorious
As a person who was accused of being a "counseling junkie" (by Husband #1) I can confirm - no electric shock therapy and no rape.

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy was probably my favorite - right after Couples Counseling. With Husband #2 PRIOR to marriage. (And he was the last person on the earth who would ever have sought out therapy of any kind on his own. )

Hey, as long as insurance or the government was paying for it, I'd go. And I got very good at seeking it out. Fortunately I live near a city that has a large, research-funded university-affiliated medical community. And these folks are always looking for non-druggie, non-mentally ill subjects for their myriad "studies". So it is fairly easy to volunteer to participate in a study and end up getting free medical testing and free counseling services. Nowadays some of them even pay for your participation - which they never did 20 years ago that I know of.

Plus, you get the satisfaction of knowing you are directly contributing to medical research for the benefit of mankind. So it is a good thing.
 

NoName

A Girl Has No Name
I did CBT too. We didn't talk much about the cult cause I was mostly over it by 2 years years ago when I did it but I was still afraid of meds. Mostly I went due to relationship issues. Funny - my relationship was very controlling so I probably worked through cult issues without working through cult issues, if ya know what i mean.
 

Lori

Cheryl E Love
I did CBT too. We didn't talk much about the cult cause I was mostly over it by 2 years years ago when I did it but I was still afraid of meds. Mostly I went due to relationship issues. Funny - my relationship was very controlling so I probably worked through cult issues without working through cult issues, if ya know what i mean.

There is a definate coralation between being in a controlling abusive relationship/marriage and a cult. I sorta thank my first ex (who was an abusive alcoholic) for teaching me what a real suppressive was and consequently.......escape from the first enabled me to escape from the cult.

Didn't mean to derail but NoName's post hit home!
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
I'm having a difficult time adjusting, although it's already been a year since I quit working for the Church of Scientology. Things that happen to me now- arguments, bad news, random waves of depression- are now all experienced differently. Usually on top of whatever thing that is happening, my first thought will flash into my head, and the second is always "I never would have thought that as a Scientologist," followed by "I feel so socially incompetent right now," followed by some grief, and then anger, and then a really good feeling hits - that all of those thoughts and emotions are MINE, and no one else's, and although things hurt at the moment, I can make them okay again. I'm not as stuck anymore.


Last night I got into an argument with a longtime friend and roommate of mine. We typically have little tiffs over things like how often we hang out, how when we do hang out we never actually do anything, etc. Last night we got into it again, but something happened with me: I could NOT hide my anger with her. I could NOT pretend like everything was OK. I could NOT "Keep my TRs in." I was provoked, and I just LET IT HAPPEN.


I COULD control what I was saying and was able to express myself without slinging every slur and accusation I was thinking at her. I could NOT stop from raising my voice or crying.


Most of the crying came from realizing I felt like she was attacking me when she merely tried bringing up an issue. This is something that goes back to being a child and a teenager - my parents never asked me to change something or do something differently - I was ALWAYS attacked, whether it be an ass-beating, a slap across the hand, or a bout of screaming at me while I just sat there and took it. The feeling of being attacked when criticized was something that was deeply ingrained already, but then backed up and solidified in me as a Scientologist. My thought process was "I'm a Scientologist and am trying to improve my life and the lives of others to save this God-forsaken place." If anyone criticized me for my involvement, or told me I had vanished from their lives because of it, or I didn't keep up my end of a bargain because I was too busy on post, I interpreted it as a direct attack on me, and a direct attack on Scientology. Therefore, they were wrong, I was right, and I didn't waste my time on those who criticized me.


Regarding my friend and I, I think it just comes down to the fact that we both have issues of our own, some that make us both very hard to be friends with at points. She is afraid to bring up issues because I get upset and take it as an attack, or I shut down and don't talk about things. She is insecure and tests me, and tends to assume the worst in me, no matter how much effort I put into trying to fix it. And sometimes we just have miscommunications- our inner demons interpreting what the other has said for us.


It's all very fascinating, the stuff of communication. And it's all very fascinating, knowing I will never not have any personal demons. I can tame them, or handle them, or nurture them, or ignore them - or not. I won't ever be pretending that they have been audited away. I won't ever pretend that a demon that has been handled can't come back.


I am a WOG. I am a real life, breathing, shitting, eating, blinking, fucking human being. And despite the uncontrollable emotions, traumas that have scarred me, weird things my body does, and the pain that comes from falling on my face, I am TOTALLY cool with being alive, and owning my emotions. It is pretty awesome.


Speaking as a former course supv, I would say that if something happens and the person just lets it happens, then that person's TRs are in.

But that aside- I think that once a person leaves and is trying to move on, it's best to not think of things in terms of what would Hubbard have said or how do I apply this Dianetic or Scn principle or technique. It is best to move on and live life.

You know how they say "dance as if no one was watching."? Well, live as if there weren't any Scn'ists or Hubbards around.

Sounds to me like you're doing great and glad to see you here.
 
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