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Frankie - wonderful post.

I am really happy for you! Really feeling emotions without having to explain or justify them is a liberating thing.
 

sallydannce

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Hi Frankie,

I have worked with a couple of therapists to help recover and it has been invaluable!

It takes time to regulate emotional responses, our sense of ourselves, our behaviours, our connection with society, when we remove an entire structure (call this “cult think”). I went through a massive unlearning and relearning process. I did most of this work alone, but had a well-trained professional to talk with, work on the trauma and bounce ideas around with when I needed to. I also kept a journal and would let rip, privately, with my deepest thoughts.

I have found great healing in exploring new subjects. I’d go to the library and just fill my arms up with books on a wide range of subjects. I explored and explored in a sort of insatiable frenzy. There is something really healing about sitting down with a book with a title like "the history of the tea-pot" and just simply enjoying it without an atom of guilt for wasting time or feeling like ya should be reading/listening to Ron. New experiences are also inspiring and healing. I went through a stage of setting myself "one new experience every day" which could be as simple as trying a new food, or dressing slightly differently to how I normally would.

I discovered meditation. Nothing flash, just my own way of mastering my chattering noisy thoughts and becoming aware of what was really going on with me. Mindfulness is a very practical tool. I also used cognitive behaviour therapy to re-frame & stop the bullshit thoughts – cult related and others.

Cult recovery, for me, has been a huge adventure. Shedding the layers of unconscious thoughts/concepts scientology installed has been challenging but I am now emotionally resilient. Read: fast recovery if the shit hits the fan. I mostly have peace about the whole subject and I'm really enjoying integrating back into my community and building a meaningful life.

Know thyself, love thyself. Do it with heart and soul, throw in some random not-at-all-elegant dancing (seriously, it is good for the soul) and you've got yourself an interesting journey.

Best cult recovery tool? Probably really good chocolate! :wink2:

I sincerely wish you an inspiring journey. :flowers:
 
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Thrak

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I'm having a difficult time adjusting, although it's already been a year since I quit working for the Church of Scientology. Things that happen to me now- arguments, bad news, random waves of depression- are now all experienced differently. Usually on top of whatever thing that is happening, my first thought will flash into my head, and the second is always "I never would have thought that as a Scientologist," followed by "I feel so socially incompetent right now," followed by some grief, and then anger, and then a really good feeling hits - that all of those thoughts and emotions are MINE, and no one else's, and although things hurt at the moment, I can make them okay again. I'm not as stuck anymore.


Last night I got into an argument with a longtime friend and roommate of mine. We typically have little tiffs over things like how often we hang out, how when we do hang out we never actually do anything, etc. Last night we got into it again, but something happened with me: I could NOT hide my anger with her. I could NOT pretend like everything was OK. I could NOT "Keep my TRs in." I was provoked, and I just LET IT HAPPEN.


I COULD control what I was saying and was able to express myself without slinging every slur and accusation I was thinking at her. I could NOT stop from raising my voice or crying.


Most of the crying came from realizing I felt like she was attacking me when she merely tried bringing up an issue. This is something that goes back to being a child and a teenager - my parents never asked me to change something or do something differently - I was ALWAYS attacked, whether it be an ass-beating, a slap across the hand, or a bout of screaming at me while I just sat there and took it. The feeling of being attacked when criticized was something that was deeply ingrained already, but then backed up and solidified in me as a Scientologist. My thought process was "I'm a Scientologist and am trying to improve my life and the lives of others to save this God-forsaken place." If anyone criticized me for my involvement, or told me I had vanished from their lives because of it, or I didn't keep up my end of a bargain because I was too busy on post, I interpreted it as a direct attack on me, and a direct attack on Scientology. Therefore, they were wrong, I was right, and I didn't waste my time on those who criticized me.


Regarding my friend and I, I think it just comes down to the fact that we both have issues of our own, some that make us both very hard to be friends with at points. She is afraid to bring up issues because I get upset and take it as an attack, or I shut down and don't talk about things. She is insecure and tests me, and tends to assume the worst in me, no matter how much effort I put into trying to fix it. And sometimes we just have miscommunications- our inner demons interpreting what the other has said for us.


It's all very fascinating, the stuff of communication. And it's all very fascinating, knowing I will never not have any personal demons. I can tame them, or handle them, or nurture them, or ignore them - or not. I won't ever be pretending that they have been audited away. I won't ever pretend that a demon that has been handled can't come back.


I am a WOG. I am a real life, breathing, shitting, eating, blinking, fucking human being. And despite the uncontrollable emotions, traumas that have scarred me, weird things my body does, and the pain that comes from falling on my face, I am TOTALLY cool with being alive, and owning my emotions. It is pretty awesome.

Sounds like stuff I go through. Unfortunately what I run into from time to time are people who seem to think they have all of the answers and that since things are easy for them all I have to do is what they do and happiness will be mine. What they can't seem to see is that not all people have the same ABILITIES and HISTORY. We just don't get the same deck of cards to play with and from time to time I'll run into someone who thinks they can psycho analyze me and they say how easy things are that aren't easy at all FOR ME and it's something that can make me so mad it scares me.

Life is a struggle but obviously for some it's a bigger struggle than for others. And if you're trying to help someone about the worst thing you can do is to say something that is killing them really isn't a big deal at all and all they have to do is wiggle their nose or "live for the moment" or some ridiculous thing and the problem will just be gone. I think you can literally drive a person insane by doing that.

I'm sure some would love to say this is all due to Scientology but the reality is a lot of people ARE looking for solutions to problems and that's why they sign up in the first place. Scientology then just makes it worse which seems to be their true calling in life.

Not sure if this applies but it's what it made me think of.
 

NoName

A Girl Has No Name
There is a definate coralation between being in a controlling abusive relationship/marriage and a cult. I sorta thank my first ex (who was an abusive alcoholic) for teaching me what a real suppressive was and consequently.......escape from the first enabled me to escape from the cult.

Didn't mean to derail but NoName's post hit home!

I don't know that this is a derail... The fact that I got sucked into the cult after leaving an abusive relationship is probably what got me out of the cult so fast. I felt like I was loosing control of my life and thoughts again so I had a heightened sense of awareness to all the red flags that were going up in my early (and only) cult involvement days.

But I can see this working in reverse too - like not being able to have a relationship after the cult because you fear abuse / control, but reading abuse / control into just normal everyday bullshit disagreements with people. And that's where I think CBT could help the OP. You need to learn healthy every-day ways to disagree and communicate without letting anger build up over just stupid shit, and learn that it is OK to disagree without either of you being "wrong". That's the sort of life skill you don't learn in the cult or in an abusive relationship, and it's impossible to have a normal and healthy relationship without it.
 

Sindy

Crusader
Hi Frankie,

I have worked with a couple of therapists to help recover and it has been invaluable!

It takes time to regulate emotional responses, our sense of ourselves, our behaviours, our connection with society, when we remove an entire structure (call this “cult think”). I went through a massive unlearning and relearning process. I did most of this work alone, but had a well-trained professional to talk with, work on the trauma and bounce ideas around with when I needed to. I also kept a journal and would let rip, privately, with my deepest thoughts.

I have found great healing in exploring new subjects. I’d go to the library and just fill my arms up with books on a wide range of subjects. I explored and explored in a sort of insatiable frenzy. There is something really healing about sitting down with a book with a title like "the history of the tea-pot" and just simply enjoying it without an atom of guilt for wasting time or feeling like ya should be reading/listening to Ron. New experiences are also inspiring and healing. I went through a stage of setting myself "one new experience every day" which could be as simple as trying a new food, or dressing slightly differently to how I normally would.

I discovered meditation. Nothing flash, just my own way of mastering my chattering noisy thoughts and becoming aware of what was really going on with me. Mindfulness is a very practical tool. I also used cognitive behaviour therapy to re-frame & stop the bullshit thoughts – cult related and others.

Cult recovery, for me, has been a huge adventure. Shedding the layers of unconscious thoughts/concepts scientology installed has been challenging but I am now emotionally resilient. Read: fast recovery if the shit hits the fan. I mostly have peace about the whole subject and I'm really enjoying integrating back into my community and building a meaningful life.

Know thyself, love thyself. Do it with heart and soul, throw in some random not-at-all-elegant dancing (seriously, it is good for the soul) and you've got yourself an interesting journey.

Best cult recovery tool? Probably really good chocolate! :wink2:

I sincerely wish you an inspiring journey. :flowers:

What a beautiful post.
 
I would like to gently and respectfully suggest that you consider seeing a well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed therapist if you are having a difficult time adjusting. I do so with the idea that even if not "necessary," doing so might be helpful and facilitate your adjustment.

There is no reason to go through this alone, and there are people who are educated to help, experienced, and want to help.

[NOTE: There might be some who will argue that a therapist being "well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed" guarantees nothing. That would be correct. What a therapist being "well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed" does do, however, is greatly increase the chances, the probability, that the therapist will be helpful, and not harmful, and that the therapy will be efficacious. In other words, in the absence of other information, having a therapist who is "well educated, well credentialed, experienced and licensed" is probably better than having one who is not.]

Often I consider finding a good therapist. Unfortunately I'm not able to afford it at the moment. Until I am though, I am trying my hardest to try and look at things differently and talk about it as much as I can with those I trust. Hopefully I can afford it soon, and am able to make larger steps toward recovery.

Thanks for the suggestion, I really do take it to heart.
 
Learning to be human again is not easy, and yes a good counsellor can help.
Learning to be comfortable with feelings, emotions and even hormonal changes is part of the process of becoming yourself after leaving. It's a bit like a second teenage period.
Hahaha! Just the other day I was thinking this all felt like being a teenager again!!! At least this time around I have no curfew and can legally buy cigarettes!
 
Congratulations. Not "degrading" someone while expressing your true emotions is a wonderful release. We all have a bad point on the "self-importance" button...:coolwink: Seeing beyond it, and communicating with reality (even if it just is the heat of the moment)is a major part of living your life. From what I have seen, it is almost as if "scientologists" go into a cocoon of propitiation towards life...like "i'm entitled to not have to suffer the slings and arrows of life coz I am cool with L. Ron" kind of thing. But it stops all personal growth,

Thanks for sharing.

It was a very good release! And yeah, I still have a tendency to feel a little like "I am more aware than most people" stupid Scientologist mindset and I am not proud of it. Since me and L-Ron ain't cool no more, I see more and more how personally stunted I became.
 
There is a definate coralation between being in a controlling abusive relationship/marriage and a cult. I sorta thank my first ex (who was an abusive alcoholic) for teaching me what a real suppressive was and consequently.......escape from the first enabled me to escape from the cult.

Didn't mean to derail but NoName's post hit home!
Not a derail at all! YOUR post hits home for me. I think it is maybe why I only spent 3 years as a Scientologist myself. Thank you!
 
Speaking as a former course supv, I would say that if something happens and the person just lets it happens, then that person's TRs are in.

But that aside- I think that once a person leaves and is trying to move on, it's best to not think of things in terms of what would Hubbard have said or how do I apply this Dianetic or Scn principle or technique. It is best to move on and live life.

You know how they say "dance as if no one was watching."? Well, live as if there weren't any Scn'ists or Hubbards around.

Sounds to me like you're doing great and glad to see you here.
Haha, I guess what I meant by my TRs being in, is that for the first time in a long time, I didn't FEEL like my TRs were in, if that makes sense.

I agree, though that it is best to look at things without thinking of it at a Scientologist standpoint.
Living life like there were no Scn's around starting...... NOW! :)
 
Hi Frankie,

I have worked with a couple of therapists to help recover and it has been invaluable!

It takes time to regulate emotional responses, our sense of ourselves, our behaviours, our connection with society, when we remove an entire structure (call this “cult think”). I went through a massive unlearning and relearning process. I did most of this work alone, but had a well-trained professional to talk with, work on the trauma and bounce ideas around with when I needed to. I also kept a journal and would let rip, privately, with my deepest thoughts.

I have found great healing in exploring new subjects. I’d go to the library and just fill my arms up with books on a wide range of subjects. I explored and explored in a sort of insatiable frenzy. There is something really healing about sitting down with a book with a title like "the history of the tea-pot" and just simply enjoying it without an atom of guilt for wasting time or feeling like ya should be reading/listening to Ron. New experiences are also inspiring and healing. I went through a stage of setting myself "one new experience every day" which could be as simple as trying a new food, or dressing slightly differently to how I normally would.

I discovered meditation. Nothing flash, just my own way of mastering my chattering noisy thoughts and becoming aware of what was really going on with me. Mindfulness is a very practical tool. I also used cognitive behaviour therapy to re-frame & stop the bullshit thoughts – cult related and others.

Cult recovery, for me, has been a huge adventure. Shedding the layers of unconscious thoughts/concepts scientology installed has been challenging but I am now emotionally resilient. Read: fast recovery if the shit hits the fan. I mostly have peace about the whole subject and I'm really enjoying integrating back into my community and building a meaningful life.

Know thyself, love thyself. Do it with heart and soul, throw in some random not-at-all-elegant dancing (seriously, it is good for the soul) and you've got yourself an interesting journey.

Best cult recovery tool? Probably really good chocolate! :wink2:

I sincerely wish you an inspiring journey. :flowers:

Just going to screencap this and print it out and put it everywhere. Thank you very much for this post.
 
But I can see this working in reverse too - like not being able to have a relationship after the cult because you fear abuse / control, but reading abuse / control into just normal everyday bullshit disagreements with people. And that's where I think CBT could help the OP. You need to learn healthy every-day ways to disagree and communicate without letting anger build up over just stupid shit, and learn that it is OK to disagree without either of you being "wrong". That's the sort of life skill you don't learn in the cult or in an abusive relationship, and it's impossible to have a normal and healthy relationship without it.

This hits home in a very very big way. CBT, here I come!
 

sallydannce

Gold Meritorious Patron
This hits home in a very very big way. CBT, here I come!

There's some great books on CBT, also free resources online. These can help to get familiar with the subject though I think working with a therapist gets the most "mileage". Having said that, a lot of work is done alone, in your day to day living.

This link has some workbooks which my therapist gave me to work with. I've worked through the "facing your feelings" one and also the "put off procrastinating" workbook. I found both of them very helpful. There are several other workbooks at this link.

http://www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/resources/consumers.cfm
 

Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
Frankie, welcome to the Human Race -- viruses with shoes.

TRs were fairly natural for me, so I took to them with gusto. I found that after an auditing session, I would then become aware of bodily needs and have to whip off to the loo on the way to "the Examiner".

In Real Life, I still use them, but not to such exclusion. It sounds like the relationship you have with the friend mentioned in the OP is very passionate (don't read romance into that word). You are allowed to feel emotions. If we were all emotionless all the time, friendships would be a complete waste of time, wouldn't they? This friend sounds valuable to you, so you should be safely able to say, "I'm sorry, but that feels like an attack, even though you don't mean it that way."

A real friend will either help you through an issue, or stand aside and allow you the space you need for yourself.

We all feel anger, hurt, and frustration. The world around us is built that way. You are equally allowed to feel happy, joyous and content. When you get those valuable moments, sit and enjoy them!
 
There's some great books on CBT, also free resources online. These can help to get familiar with the subject though I think working with a therapist gets the most "mileage". Having said that, a lot of work is done alone, in your day to day living.

This link has some workbooks which my therapist gave me to work with. I've worked through the "facing your feelings" one and also the "put off procrastinating" workbook. I found both of them very helpful. There are several other workbooks at this link.

http://www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/resources/consumers.cfm
Thank you so much for this resource and for your support. It gives me a lot of hope that I can continue to move forward in life! Thanks a million!
 
Frankie, welcome to the Human Race -- viruses with shoes.

TRs were fairly natural for me, so I took to them with gusto. I found that after an auditing session, I would then become aware of bodily needs and have to whip off to the loo on the way to "the Examiner".

In Real Life, I still use them, but not to such exclusion. It sounds like the relationship you have with the friend mentioned in the OP is very passionate (don't read romance into that word). You are allowed to feel emotions. If we were all emotionless all the time, friendships would be a complete waste of time, wouldn't they? This friend sounds valuable to you, so you should be safely able to say, "I'm sorry, but that feels like an attack, even though you don't mean it that way."

A real friend will either help you through an issue, or stand aside and allow you the space you need for yourself.

We all feel anger, hurt, and frustration. The world around us is built that way. You are equally allowed to feel happy, joyous and content. When you get those valuable moments, sit and enjoy them!
Haha! I, too, was a frequent "I need to use the restroom first before I hold any more cans" person!

Thankfully I was able to express to my friend that it felt like an attack, even though she was just bringing something up. The conversation went much better after that. :)

Thanks for the support. I'm enjoying my newfound bursts of emotion, even if thry get me into trouble now and again. :)
 

guRl

Patron with Honors
This is such an amazing thread!
So absolutely important and vital for both exes, and people like me who would like to help and support exes one day.
And I gotta say-
Frankie, I don't even know what is it about you, but from the very first post you started here, you rocked my world :cheers2:!
 

AnonKat

Crusader
This is such an amazing thread!
So absolutely important and vital for both exes, and people like me who would like to help and support exes one day.
And I gotta say-
Frankie, I don't even know what is it about you, but from the very first post you started here, you rocked my world :cheers2:!

Training Routines are for dogs anyway.

L Ron Hubbard knew his Pavlov

Alsoo welcome
 
This is such an amazing thread!
So absolutely important and vital for both exes, and people like me who would like to help and support exes one day.
And I gotta say-
Frankie, I don't even know what is it about you, but from the very first post you started here, you rocked my world :cheers2:!
Thank you very much! Can I ask what brings you to the board, and what interests you so mch in helping ex-Scn's? I am blown away by the support of both exes and never-ins here at this board! :-D
 
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