I had a glimpse of R6 Bank
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Well, to be serious, there are very *real* problems in human society and beyond, including the 'problem of evil' itself. Those are questions complex enough to bedevil even the clearest sight, but, what's *less* than helpful is to attempt to stuff such real issues into Ron's mystery sandwich grab bag-o-worms.
Scientology *does* have all the answers to such complex issues and questions; to so load you down with its own horrors that you don't have time to 'put attention on' real questions.
R6 *deserves* to be mocked.
Zinj
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Vin intends this thread in a joking way. Even so your statement above is a bit wrong. According to OTIII 2nd handwritten note (28 Oct 68) and others we have
Incident 2 (up to the Pilot)
then Clearing Course implant (repeated - as the original was much earlier)
then OTII implants
and then 36 days of other picture implants.
The final version of the terminology for this lot seems to be
Incident 2
then
R6
The terminology has certainly changed as more data came to light. For example "the 7's" have eight items and are part of the CC now.
Dulloldfart
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No. In the III pack Hubbard says, "Incident 2 is R6, 75 million years ago" or something very similar. If you have it there take a look.
I thought the 7s got the name because it came after level 6, although I don't remember him explaining where the name came from.
Paul
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It was a scary glimpse of naked insanity.
Forget your zinc and B vits for a few days?
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uniquemand
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R6 is the collection of pictures, purposes, scripts, etc., ostensibly installed during an implant. It is most certainly NOT addressed by Dianetics in any of its forms. It is, instead, handled on R6EW (R6 "end words", see http://www.freezoneearth.org/Prometheus04/powerR6/index.htm), and then in the Clearing Course. If a person skips those, then it should be handled by the time the person completes OTIII.
Paul, my information is that "the sevens" referred to the number of times you checked through the various implant platens on the CC (7).
Paul, my information is that "the sevens" referred to the number of times you checked through the various implant platens on the CC (7).
Panda Termint
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"The 7's" is something quite other than that, U.
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And
Those references tell me that R6 and Incident 2 are not the same. Of course you are also right. In the same damn bulletin he says …
They conflict and I assumed there was a typo/OCR error because there are quite a few in that "tech vol". How do you resolve the conflict? (And don't tell me to read it again!)
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http://freezoneamerica.com/Prometheus04/clearCourse/index.htm
Part A is the sevens, and there are 8 items per set. I assumed that only 7 per set were found initially, but it is only an assumption.
The wikileaks version also has them as the 7's for the BE/DO/HAVE/STAY sets, although there are 8 items per.
CC is of course 10 runs not 7.
Dulloldfart
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Disclaimer: Talking Hubbard here, not what I now believe.
The only problem I see is "Only those in this Old Confederation have Inc 2 and R6." The others are explained by the principle of cross-auditing, i.e. you run Inc 2 out of one BT, and Inc 1 out of a second. The unrun Inc 2 on the second one causes it to run Inc 2 on automatic (freewheel).
I always understood the "and" in ". . . have Inc 2 and R6" in the sense of "or", meaning "in other words." I'm not saying that is correct, but that is how I interpreted it for myself.
The meaning of "R6" changed throughout the years, i.e. it was kinda slippy. I think Hubbard had the concept of "R6" being the core bank, originally addressed at Level 6. As he changed the tech to address his changing view of the core stuff, he dragged the term "R6" along with him, with its meaning creeping around to fit his requirements. When he thought the basic bank came from an implant at trillions three (I think he said that. Trillions three is 10^36 years ago) he called that implant "R6." That's in one of the tapes or films, either on R6EW or the CC. He then had the main implant addressed on the CC. I forget the date he first plotted that one as. He later changed it to 10^15. I don't remember if he revised that to 75 mill or not. Then the main implant to address was Inc 2 at 75 mill, so ALL of that got the slippy "R6" name, not just the CC bit. That's my idea, anyway.
Paul
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I think you may be on to something
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Thank you. A well reasoned response.
I found another reference to shoot my argument in the foot. In the OTIII "2nd note" of 28 Oct '68 titled "Incident 2" on page 4 it says "The pictures contain god, ... you name it, it's in this implant we call in its entirety "R6".
That seems to be the most recent reference of the lot.
Just to add to the confusion is the (undated) Incident 2 platen from OTIII. After the pilot it says "(R6 material follow, then days of pictures, God, Devil etc.)"
Make up your freakin mind already!
Oh and then there's that earlier bit in there
"It was then pulled down and he was (as part of a group implanted with R6."
I have obviously fallen into R6 and don't know which way is up.
Reading R6 as a subset of Incident 2 might work slightly less badly than having them synonymous, although I don't think all the references can actually be logically consistent.
alex
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Incident 2 is the incident, R6 is the content.
Perhaps too subtle a distinction? But maybe if R6 is thought of as a package and Inc 2 is the trip to the installer? Sort of the same sort of different viewpoints on each?
Dulloldfart
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They don't have to be logically consistent, if Hubbard's guiding principle is that "R6 is the REAL core hot stuff" and the core changes as his who-knows-what-fueled ideas change.
Paul
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R6 is only a part of Incident 2.
In incident 2 other previous implants were reimplanted (e.g. the CC content). Thus R6 is the content not previously implanted but newly implanted during Incident 2.
Operating DB
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Hubbard can't even get his own stories straight. Sounds like he just made up shit with with every lecture or writing he gave.
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Examples?
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