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I used to wonder....what is Love?

Mojo

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When I was a child I spent most of my time/life crying, growing up. Somehow Knowing in my Heart of Hearts that Love was something that was Beautiful beyond Words, but for some reason, 'That Beautiful Thing', had denied me.

For example: The first time I was beaten (severely) I was 5 years old. And after that, I lost count (over the course of the next 10 years).

What is Love?

The doctor said my right arm had been broken in 2 places. He asked my 'Keepers' how did it happen?. They said I had 'fallen down'. He put my arm in a cast, and sent me home. To them. And I went home. To them. For the next ten years.

What is Love?

Teddy Hower was my best friend (when I was 5 and he was 4). We were inseparable. We were best friends forever (bff). Unbeknownst to both of us however (at the time) our parents had left us in the custody of the state of pennsylvania, legally (and permanently). And we would never see our parents again. Which concept was beyond our comprehension at the time.

For I was 5 (and he was 4).

What is Love?

The first time I saw Teddy getting beaten (by our Matron) I freaked out. I literally went crazy. Which is why I think my arm ended up getting broken (a few days later). Nonetheless the doctor patched me up, and sent me home.

The arm healed.

What is Love?

The first time I ever got punched in the face (and knocked unconscious) was when I was 11. The man that did it was 47. His name was Mr. Sheck. He was the source of great terror and great fear amongst all of the children I was living with (including me too). One night our Matron (Mrs. Shields) called Mr. Sheck and told him that we (our house of 12 boys) were in need of his discipline. She said we were laughing instead of concentrating on our homework (which was true because we were, by the way). So anyway's Mr. Sheck came to our cottage and went crazy. He grabbed a boy named Michael Lantz and started beating him. And he was beating him bad. Michael was crying (and all of the other boys were crying, and I was crying too) and then, out of nowhere, I flipped out. I literally went crazy (I was just 11 at the time). I screamed at Mr. Sheck "if you're such a big man why don't you beat me instead of beating Michael". The house fell silent. You see, I loved Michael. He was a really nice kid and a truly good friend. And he never hurt anyone. And besides, he didn't really start the kids laughing that night, 'I did'.

What is Love?

Mr. Sheck told me to stand up (as I was sitting down at the study table when I flipped out). I stood up. He ordered the boys to quit crying. Which all did (except for a few whimpers that were understandably uncontrollable at the time). He grabbed me by the throat, slammed me up against the wall, said to the other boys 'let this be a lesson ' and then he punched me in the face so hard I went out like a light. Out cold. In a heartbeat. That is to say, he knocked me out.

What is Love?

When I came to, Mr. Sheck was gone, Mrs. Shields was upstairs (in her bedroom) and I was surrounded by the 11 other boys. Chiefly Michael. That is to say he had my head cradled in his arms, and he was crying (for me).

What is Love?

When I first joined scientology I believed that one day I would be preventing any other child in the whole world from ever having to suffer what I (and my friends) had suffered, as children. I believed that sane men and sane women had rights in this world but that human-machines that abused and terrorized children had none, whatsoever. I believed that goodness trumped evil and that Ron had proved it, and that I would prove it, one day, too. I believed, I believed, I believed.

What is Love?

Mojo
 
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byte301

Crusader
Oh god, Mojo,

I am so sorry. I can't blame you for asking the question. But you answered it too. The way you felt about those kids in that hell with you was love. I don't even know what else to say.
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
Mojo...you know what love is. :kiss:
It's what makes me cry when I read your post, it's what motivates you to write it in the first place.

I have observed the 'cycles of life' and though we may not see what happens to those who attempt to squash and destroy us, I take comfort in knowing at some point they wake up to their crimes and face the choice of to love or not. No doubt this will take aeons for some, but it will happen. Rejoice in your own awareness.

The important thing is how you love. Best applied to oneself first! :)
 

feline

Patron Meritorious
Good God.

Love is the sense of knowing that this person will be an intrinsic part of you until forever. Love is knowing that is a good thing.

I dealt with abuse. Love was hubby's parents willing to become my parents.

Love was all the years I was a nurse, trying to address the ills before me. Love is every mile I walk in cancer awareness.

Love is patient and kind. Love does not envy or boast. Love is not proud.

Love is not rude or self-seeking and is not easily angered. Love keeps no diary of wrongs.

Love does not embrace evil and celebrates truth.

Love protects, trusts, hopes, and perserves.

:bighug: :bighug: :bighug:

Love does not fail.

I wish I could hug you and show you where love is. It lives in the hearts of the loving. It is wrapping arms around you now. :bighug: :bighug: :bighug: :bighug: :bighug: :bighug: :bighug: :bighug:

What kind of world do you want?
Think anything.
Let's start at the start
Build a masterpiece.

Be careful what you wish for.
History starts now.
 

Mojo

Silver Meritorious Patron
Love is forgetting that you don't like to take the trash out

Zinj

Ah Yes...

And more.....

It's Understanding that in a world of conceivabilities (of Eternal Spiritual impossibilities) a 'temporal experience of all opposites' must be given reign to play. Which is to say: In the absence of a first-hand first-person spiritual experience of darkness ignorance error & evil, the meaning of Truth is empty and void. Spiritually speaking.

Empty and Void I say. Akin to all talk and no action (in terms of Spiritual Being). So to speak.

Had I not suffered the indignity of being abused (as a spirit in human form as a child), I would not have come to understand, the meaning of being free (as a spirit in human form as a man). Which cost was well worth the pay off.

And not only that, but this too: Those that abused me had no choice in the matter. At least not in the sense the world (mistakenly) defines as choice in the matter. For the simple reason the cause of every single visible manifest expression or action (in the world) at any given moment (in time), was laid down long before it appeared. Which spiritual reality is understandably true, (or truly understandable) given sufficient time (and experience) to know.

At least from my point of view.

And not only that, but this too: (Lol!) The mental, emotional and physical wounds of my experience of being in this world have healed, while the spiritual gift they delivered remain. The spiritual gift they delivered remain.

Which spiritual experience I believe holds true, no matter the pain, in all things physical, mental and emotional, for those that can hear it, and perservere. Which seemingly (& sadly) amount's to a few. For the simple reason we have all been conditioned to believe we are victims of life (one and all). At the mercy or whim of a God or God's, of a man or men, and if that's not enough, of nature. Lol. No wonder so many suffer so.

Mojo

P.S. Amnesia is a Spiritual Art & Science (and removing the trash can be).
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
Add: Love is forgetting that you don't like to take the trash out and forgiving those who should be doing it.

Zinj
 

anonmom

Patron with Honors
Ah Yes...

And more.....

It's Understanding that in a world of conceivabilities (of Eternal Spiritual impossibilities) a 'temporal experience of all opposites' must be given reign to play. Which is to say: In the absence of a first-hand first-person spiritual experience of darkness ignorance error & evil, the meaning of Truth is empty and void. Spiritually speaking.

Empty and Void I say. Akin to all talk and no action (in terms of Spiritual Being). So to speak.

Had I not suffered the indignity of being abused (as a spirit in human form as a child), I would not have come to understand, the meaning of being free (as a spirit in human form as a man). Which cost was well worth the pay off.

And not only that, but this too: Those that abused me had no choice in the matter. At least not in the sense the world (mistakenly) defines as choice in the matter. For the simple reason the cause of every single visible manifest expression or action (in the world) at any given moment (in time), was laid down long before it appeared. Which spiritual reality is understandably true, (or truly understandable) given sufficient time (and experience) to know.

At least from my point of view.

And not only that, but this too: (Lol!) The mental, emotional and physical wounds of my experience of being in this world have healed, while the spiritual gift they delivered remain. The spiritual gift they delivered remain.

Which spiritual experience I believe holds true, no matter the pain, in all things physical, mental and emotional, for those that can hear it, and perservere. Which seemingly (& sadly) amount's to a few. For the simple reason we have all been conditioned to believe we are victims of life (one and all). At the mercy or whim of a God or God's, of a man or men, and if that's not enough, of nature. Lol. No wonder so many suffer so.

Mojo

P.S. Amnesia is a Spiritual Art & Science (and removing the trash can be).

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I'm so sorry that you were treated so horribly as a child. You and the kids that you knew deserved to have a caring and nurturing upbringing that was filled with love. Going from that hell to scientology is just like going out of the fryingpan and into the fire.

You are a very deep person, Mojo. You obviously gained a lot of wisdom from your suffering as a child. But that still doesn't justify the abuse you endured. It should not have happened to you even if it made you stronger. I truly hope that your future is filled with the love that you deserve.
 

sallydannce

Gold Meritorious Patron
Love is being here in this very moment. Here with you Mojo. Here with you. Very quietly truly madly deeply here with you. :rose:
 

Pixie

Crusader
Mojo

Mojo I am sorry you had to endure this torture as a child. I was tortured as a child too in many ways but it was mostly mental, physical too but not to the degree that marks were left and this was all from my mother. To a little girl, if her mother doesn't love her then no one will, ever, and it's so hard to realize this is just not true, but when things like that happen to a human as a young child, it's even more difficult to deal with life no matter what anyone says or thinks as this abuse has become your very foundation and on some level you feel like you are so so bad that you must deserve it somehow.

Love, has to start with the self, and the realization that one's not ultimately who they really think they are anyway. It's impossible to love another when you don't love yourself. Anyone who was mistreated as a child and is still here is brave in the extreme in my view. Perhaps this experience has made us think more deeply or be more compassionate, but it's difficult, it's all too easy to think 'why me'? What did I ever do to deserve this when other kids have lots of love and normal parents or guardians.

For me, all I can do is focus on the now, because otherwise, thinking about my past, particularly as a child, would be enough to send me over the edge. Thank God (Emma :coolwink: ) for giving us the opportunity to talk about it. :yes:
 

EP - Ethics Particle

Gold Meritorious Patron
An inadequate response...

Mojo,

My Grandmother used to tell us that "all experience is vital and necessary". After 60 plus years of living, your post and other things observed, I can definitively state that she was wrong about that. She would agree, I'm sure.

Maybe I'll write a little about her one day if the the keyboard won't keep fogging out. Would anyone like that?
 

Mojo

Silver Meritorious Patron
Mojo,

My Grandmother used to tell us that "all experience is vital and necessary". After 60 plus years of living, your post and other things observed, I can definitively state that she was wrong about that. She would agree, I'm sure.

Maybe I'll write a little about her one day if the the keyboard won't keep fogging out. Would anyone like that?

Yes. I would. Very much so. And not myself alone, as I am certain others would also EP.

In scientology, I felt (in my private moment's of spiritual reflection) that the 'tech' was primarily about strenghtening the Mind at the expense of the Heart which didn't set right with the Soul. So to speak. And, nonetheless, your grandmother's wise statement: "all experience is vital and necessary" hold's true, for me, to this day.

Why she and you would abandon it, I do not know, nor understand.

One thing I do know, and understand, is this: All experience is vital and necessary. Be it so-called good, so-called evil or so-called indifferent. It matters to the Being that produces it.

At least from my point of view.

I'd love to hear what your grandmother would say.

Thanks.

Mojo

P.S.

To:

I'mout...Thank-You (from the heart).
byte...Thank-you (from the heart).
Free to Shine...Thank-You (from the heart).
Feline...Thank you (from the heart).
Anonmom....Thank-You (from the heart).
SallyDance...Thank-You (from the heart).
Pixie...Thank-you (from the heart).
Tam-sp...Thank-you (from the heart).

Zinj...(pause)....lol...Thank-you (from the heart).
 
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Pixie

Crusader
Mojo,

My Grandmother used to tell us that "all experience is vital and necessary". After 60 plus years of living, your post and other things observed, I can definitively state that she was wrong about that. She would agree, I'm sure.

Maybe I'll write a little about her one day if the the keyboard won't keep fogging out. Would anyone like that?

Yes we would, and we've been waiting. :yes:

You are welcome Mojo, and thank you too for being here.. from my heart. :yes:
 

EP - Ethics Particle

Gold Meritorious Patron
Hi fellow travellers!

Good Morning!

In a rush now - but in a couple of hours will be back and spin a yarn or two. The feedback is much appreciated.

(Of all the things I did like - signing out with ML was a favorite of mine, so here goes...).

ML,:yes:

EP
 

Pixie

Crusader
Good Morning!

In a rush now - but in a couple of hours will be back and spin a yarn or two. The feedback is much appreciated.

(Of all the things I did like - signing out with ML was a favorite of mine, so here goes...).

ML,:yes:

EP

:omg: You just reminded me of something, and I don't even like admitting it, but it was the 'one' thing that I liked too.. :hide: It's true, I always felt it was the one really lovely thing, however I remember getting telexes with all sorts of shit in there, nasty stuff, orders screamed out in capital letters and a ton of exclamation marks, and then at the end I'd read.. 'Much Love', that used to crack me up every time, what a contrast! There's nothing wrong with Much Love, it's just the negative memories it brings back that's hard to deal with. :yes:
 

EP - Ethics Particle

Gold Meritorious Patron
Let's just go for broke....

...and just run it all the way out! MLMLMLMLMLMLMLMLMLMLMLMLMLMLML AD INFINITUM!

There, it blew - we can use it with impunity now!:thumbsup:

Just answered Feline's ? on another thread - addressed to Pixie-("P"to the nth power at last count) and any other curious souls... Uh-oh - now I'm running behind!

A quick post re "Grandmother" or "Gramother" which approximates, phonetically, the sound. Just to see how it goes and see if anyone's interest is piqued.

I was brought up in a three-generation household wherein my "Grandmother" called her son-in-law "Daddy" and her daughter "Mother". Perhaps this was done so that I would not be confused as to who was who, I don't know, but that is the way it worked out.

Gramother was not employed elsewhere, but in her late teens, being almost grown, was a schoolteacher in a rural one-room schoolhouse. She told about how, not having any materials to speak of, that she simply taught everyone (they were all ages) to "spell the dictionary" as she put it. And. while they were at it, it just made sense to learn what the words meant as they went along. She set the smart little girls aside, usually paired off with an older lad, fresh from the plow, and had them teach the boys to read by reading aloud to them and having them read back. Apparently This was enjoyed by all! She said she she could "straighten up" any mob of kids in big hurry.

She taught me and all the surrounding kids in the neighbood how to sew, garden, cook, clean fish and game, make rabbit traps - and "look after" each other.

She was born around 1890 and left us around 1985, intellectually undiminished even at the moment of her passing.

Yes, I was and am, very fortunate.

But do you get a hint of why "study tech" was not all that impressive to me?

I was superb at "M-7" as long no one was watching with a "pinksheet"!

Other things later...

Do you know her a little now?
 

feline

Patron Meritorious
A bit. She reminds me of my own Grandmother. We lost Gran in 2000. She was 100 years old and still in possession of her faculties. Perhaps it was just something about the women of that generation.
 

Pixie

Crusader
Wow, this was a great story, you are so very very blessed EP. And for sure, of course it's easy to study when there's no one hovering around you with a pink sheet!! How any of us studied at all under that stress and a call up to the cans every five minutes is incredible, how did we ever survive that level of insanity.

I would have so loved a childhood like that. :yes:
 
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