I used to wonder....what is Love?

[Poofy]

I tend to view love as trust without morality. Either for good or ill once you trust how another person treats you or views you and you enjoy it without morality you are in love.

I actually wanted to say 'ethics' instead of morality, but a number of you would not properly contexualize the definition.

To expand: To trust without ethics is to trust without good or bad implications. If the person treats you badly, but you trust them to do so, you trust without ethics.

You can love someone who does not love you. You can love someone who treats you badly, and I believe it is because you trust them. For either good or bad you trust the way they react or view you. You can believe that they really do care for you and love that part of them, for right or wrong.

That is love, to me.

 

[klidov]

*silence*

Of all the stories that I have read on this board, this is the one that has struck deep into my Heart.

I used to say,"..... that if "God" really did give out jobs in Heaven, I wanted the job of holding & comforting every child that never knew a Mother's arms."

I have read some pretty moving stories on this board. This one has hit me hard. And (not to be dramatic), this is the first one that has made me cry.



It makes the betrayal of what Scientology did to you somehow that much worse. And I didn't think that could happen.

 

[klidov]

What Is Love?

Love is when your partner's arms are the safest place on Earth.

Love is unconditional, and shared freely.

Love is when two hearts beat as one.

Love is found in comfortable silences.

That is what I believe "Love" is.....

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Comfort....

Of all the stories that I have read on this board, this is the one that has struck deep into my Heart.

I used to say,"..... that if "God" really did give out jobs in Heaven, I wanted the job of holding & comforting every child that never knew a Mother's arms."

I have read some pretty moving stories on this board. This one has hit me hard. And (not to be dramatic), this is the first one that has made me cry.



It makes the betrayal of what Scientology did to you somehow that much worse. And I didn't think that could happen.

Did me too, for what it's worth. I'll leave it there. EP

 

[Moonchild]

What is love?

Simple soul that I am, to me love is putting the happiness and well-being of another before one's own. That's all.

 

[Tanstaafl]

Simple soul that I am, to me love is putting the happiness and well-being of another before one's own. That's all.

Maybe that's how you secure your own happiness and well being(?)

 

[Moonchild]

Call me a "closet-Christian" if you will, but actually....yes.
I don't have the arrogance to say it's an "absolute" law, but as a "trend" I seem to find that what goes around comes around y'know?
Within the small compass of my life I've noticed that showing compassion and forebearance to others brings its eventual return...more often than not; and when it doesn't I don't really care that much anyway within reason...."leave them to their Karma" as Madame HB said.
I never much cared for the Scn. "exchange by dynamics" thing for example...always seemed too closely allied to the general "Buying a Stairway to Heaven" ethos about the "Bridge".
Rightly or wrongly I just find it somehow distasteful to reduce relationships with people who are close to me...whom I care about....to a "business deal".
I'm sorry if that's a bit "wog" for you Tanstaafl...it's just how I'm wired-up.

And TY for the response...rock on Pal.

 

[Tanstaafl]

Call me a "closet-Christian" if you will, but actually....yes.
I don't have the arrogance to say it's an "absolute" law, but as a "trend" I seem to find that what goes around comes around y'know?
Within the small compass of my life I've noticed that showing compassion and forebearance to others brings its eventual return...more often than not; and when it doesn't I don't really care that much anyway within reason...."leave them to their Karma" as Madame HB said.
I never much cared for the Scn. "exchange by dynamics" thing for example...always seemed too closely allied to the general "Buying a Stairway to Heaven" ethos about the "Bridge".
Rightly or wrongly I just find it somehow distasteful to reduce relationships with people who are close to me...whom I care about....to a "business deal".
I'm sorry if that's a bit "wog" for you Tanstaafl...it's just how I'm wired-up.

And TY for the response...rock on Pal.

What's wrong with being Christian? Whatever works for you.

Fuck that "wog" shit - it's such a giveaway. Grant people beingness - so long as they're Scns. But not public unless you need cash, and not staff, and not juniors.

Please don't apologise for your viewpoint. It's as valid as anyone else's.

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

Sorry you had such a tough childhood. You got through all that and that only means one thing. You are a very strong person.

As once pointed out to me by Kendra (yes that Kendra) Ron doesn't talk about love much. Pretty scary if you think about it.

 

[Moonchild]

Hello again Tanstaafl.
As it happens, I'm not particularly or by definition a Christian but strangely (for me) I'm finding their viewpoint (in some respects) appealing.

I'm glad you grasped my mild sarcasm about the "wog" thing...think we share the same view there...

I apologise for apologising....you're quite right!

Good on yer Geezer....best regards M.

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

How right you are.

Simple soul that I am, to me love is putting the happiness and well-being of another before one's own. That's all.

That is sufficient for me, Kid.

Love,

EP

 

[gomorrhan]

I can agree with this, as well, although I don't consider it putting it before my own, I consider my own welfare to be their welfare. Psychobabblers call it codependency, I call it collapse of ego-boundaries.

 

[lost daughter]

[llo

 

[lost daughter]

That is sufficient for me, Kid.

Love,

EP

exactly

 

[programmer_guy]

Love is a "feeling" or an emotion that you have toward another. (Don't look for it on the SCN Tone Scale because you won't find it there.)

It makes you smile when you see them.

For example, sometimes among families and close friends, this is expressed in hugging and/or kissing upon meeting or departure.

Jeesh, I can't believe that I have to explain this human feeling and behaviour!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq5pLi0huhw

BTW, the guy at the piano was her brother, in case you didn't know.
(Toward the end, notice the body contact, i.e. touching, and the little bit of teasing.)

 

[Pixie]

Very well said!

I am sorry for what happened to you as well and Mojo, hearing of abuse can immediatly make tears run on my face and my heart want to hug the victims. I hug you two...

The love you two will give the world may even be greater than those who have never suffered becasue you have learned a great deal from your expierence and do not wish it for another instead you wish them love, and you can be gentle and compassionate, COMPASSION what a wonderful gift to pocess, that is what makes the world so forgiving and without forgivness we could never move forward, its unfortunte but with out evil you would never know good and some of us have had to suffer evil and we do not know why but were chosen anyway, now you need to make sure no other child in your watch or around you ever suffers that thier love tanks are filled abundently and from that your heart will grow even bigger just by giving an innocent child love, my heart does on a daily basis

Lost daughter thank you so very much for your kind and heartfelt response, I appreciate it very very much. I do feel now that the pain and suffering I received as a child has very much made me much more compassionate, and sensitive too. I can't stand it when someone else is upset and I feel it as though it was me. I have accepted it now and I do feel that the suffering has made me a deeper person. Learning to love oneself after that is the hardest thing, but imperative if one is going to love another completely and unconditionaly, and this is where I'm heading thanks to all the beautiful people on this forum.

Thank you Lost Daughter...

 

[Pixie]

Love is a "feeling" or an emotion that you have toward another. (Don't look for it on the SCN Tone Scale because you won't find it there.)

It makes you smile when you see them.

For example, sometimes among families and close friends, this is expressed in hugging and/or kissing upon meeting or departure.

Jeesh, I can't believe that I have to explain this human feeling and behaviour!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq5pLi0huhw

BTW, the guy at the piano was her brother, in case you didn't know.
(Toward the end, notice the body contact, i.e. touching, and the little bit of teasing.)

Beautiful PG, thank you. She had the voice of an angel, her death was tragic in the extreme, all because some ass reporter said she was fat.. and yes, she loved her brother so much and he her.. beautiful song.. thanks again..

 

[thetanic]

I didn't find love until I was out, and I didn't find it for a long time after I was out. My spouse is more than I could possibly have expected, so I must finally be making it go right.

 

[Pixie]

I didn't find love until I was out, and I didn't find it for a long time after I was out. My spouse is more than I could possibly have expected, so I must finally be making it go right.

That's wonderful thetanic, better late than never, and it sounds like it was worth the wait. Well done to you!

 

[thetanic]

That's wonderful thetanic, better late than never, and it sounds like it was worth the wait. Well done to you!

The whole time I was in Scn, I only once dated a Scn. That lasted two or three weeks.

In retrospect, that should have been a clue.