This is great group and a great forum board. First, I just want to thank all of you guys for keeping this place up!
I cannot really serve you with horrible stories, escapes and punishments today. I hope some of you will get something to take out from my story though, regarding scientology.
What is interesting for me is that much less stories you can read about people, ex- scientologists, who were only “public” of scientology and not Sea Org members. Sea Org members, we could say, kind of the most hardcore employees of the Cherch. The big scientology fighters for the soul. The customers of the Cherch is simply called “Public”. In Scientology they call people “public”, people who go in the “Cherch” and just simply buy the service or services of the church.(Quite weird vocabulary as it is.) So we are now talking about “public”. This is why the organizations, churches are there in the first place. To provide scientology services for simple people or for not that simple people. They should provide auditing, as service, in the first place. (But when you are inside the cherch as “public”, after a while, you start to feel a bit strange that you are just a stupid person who has to be saved by these interesting looking uniform guys.)
This is tricky, because I went to Scientology to buy some auditing service with some given goals and purposes.(imagined goals) So you think your name will be “public” or “a business man” or a “guy from the street” when you step in the door and that is quite safe for you and you think it will stay as it is. You just want to buy some service. It’s not a problem. But as the fly thinks that she is a fly, meanwhile the spider considers her the “food”, and the fly slowly becomes just a “food”. No any evil in it, it is just as it is. So it does not really matter anymore what the fly thinks who she is. I mean you unsuspiciously walk into Scientology as “public” and then somehow you just realize that you morphed to a “Sea Org” member, which became just the part of the body of the Organization. Very cheaply, economically actually from the organization’s viewpoint.
People, like me, do not usually write their stories in Scientology on the internet. Why?
I am from Hungary and very rare if I can find any stories written in Hungarian language about a person who was a scientologist as a real active “public” who went up the bridge, and then he just one day finished the whole thing and do not go in the church anymore. Like myself. 13-14 years ago I finished fully the scientology activity. Why?
In English, I also do not read a lot of stories about people who were called simply the “public” and who went up the “Scientology Bridge” in real, and then they have just disappeared after a while. If you search amongst videos on youtube, you cannot watch too many of their stories on youtube, like the one of Jason Beghe (which is brilliant and helped me a lot in some questions). Why these other people do not speak out? Why a lot of people who were very active public of scientology, consumers of scientology services, do not speak out on the internet. Many people would be interested in their stories I think, as they were “Users” of Scientology service. Basically I also know some of similar people like me - I am convinced that there should be at least thousands of stories, videos on youtube from people who were buying a lot of services from the “church”, then they just stopped doing that after a while. On Hungarian internet forums I met with many ex-Sea Org members but I have not met people who were “public” only. Mostly the stories start like “I was an SO member”…
This is not very good, since it looks like if only for example Apple staff members would write about Apple on the internet, but never the users of the apple products. Silly, but seemingly that is the situation about Scientology. This is a very strange thing regarding scientology. And it is consequently full of biases. People, “public” who the least they should learn in Scientology is communication on a good level, do not communicate and cannot really communicate well. They should be now communication super stars on the internet. Or maybe they do not have anything to say. They maybe as-ised(vanished, cleared) everything from their mind.
The only thing they could say sometimes is: Read Hubbard books. And when you ask them, - OK, but what is your opinion about “black and white processing” or “SOP processing”, they would say, - ohh, I do not want to give you "verbal tech"…(most of them do not know anything about these processes anyway) , then I say, - I am not interested in hearing "verbal tech", I am interested in your opinion, experience. I say, - Well…what is your opinion about grade III? - Ohh, Idunno, it’s good…You should just do that and you will see, it's great stuff. - But on 1 to 10 how good is it?
I know it is not easy to talk about these things.
...After I got the famous L-Rundowns in Flag, I finished with the “Cherch of Scientology”. They call these Rundowns/processes the most powerful rundowns ever developed in Scientology. Basically, in Scientology, these L-Rundowns were considered, and I think also, more powerful rundowns than the “Super Power Rundown” itself. (well, I have doubt of their value though) But later, I'll talk about that a bit more too.
...I am not the funny, Hungarian guy whom you see as a Sea Org staff member all over the world. Really, if you go around the world, well, if you go to East Grinstead, Saint Hill, England, or if you go to Flag, Florida or you go to Copenhagen, Denmark, you will find a lot of strange Hungarian staff members, Sea Org members. I mean, I was personally, as a Hungarian, shocked by that fact.
Hungary is a small country in the middle of nowhere in Europe, with about 10 million citizens, surrounded by countries like Slovakia, Czech, Romania, Ukraine, Slovenia, Austria and Croatia. But if you go to Flag, you will not see Sea Org members from the Czech, Slovakia, Romania, Croatia and so on…or you will meet 100 smiley-Hungarians and Mexicans, maybe a lot of Russians too until you will find 1 person from Austria for example, or from Romania, which is more than double sized country than Hungary.
I do not want to invalidate too much Hungarians but this small datum on which you can think about for a bit from this viewpoint: why and how people are going into Scientology and what is the target market of Scientology really.
The second question on this is the following: Guess where was the biggest Amway movement in Europe in the 90s? It was in Hungary. Way bigger than in any other countries in Europe. Hungary had 10 times as many Amway Diamonds and Silvers and other shit than in any other country in Europe. Do you smell any kind of easily hypnotizable “herd mentality” here “on steroids” for a specific country? I mean they in Hungarian Scientology do not only think that Hungary has the most natural OTs(Operating Thetans) ever born on the whole planet, but they have been advertising heavily 20 years ago here that Hungary will be the first Clear country in the whole world. The loudest on this goal of course the Hungarian Sea Org members and Cherch staff members who have not even got any auditing yet. Leaded by few people who were, most of them of course, past life Clears, and now they few years ago finished OTVII or OTVIII. Very few of these you can find in Hungary though, but it is more than enough from their part to contribute to the unbelievable “mass delusion” about the prestigious "Bridge to Nowhere" and about Scientology. Scientology is shrinking all over the world, but not in Hungary, believe me. That is a quite stable datum. But this will change very soon…
I was born in the middle of nowhere in a small town of Hungary in a poor family without almost any chance for anything in life, normally. But honestly, nobody would have put a cent on me when I was 14. I made my first half a million (USD) when I was 23 years old as an entrepreneur, in Hungary. I do not want to go into details and it is not about promoting myself since I do not need that and since it is not relevant here and now, but I just want to phrase that I was not a lost guy in my life before Scientology and I am also not lost after Scientology.(but I was quite lost during Scientology) When I was 27 years old I already got almost everything what an average person could wish in life on this planet. I had a lot of young people working in my company, unbelievable atmosphere, I traveled a lot, I had money, my girlfriend was very nice, and my company was decent, measured on the Hungarian scale. But I still wanted to improve and wanted to know more about the world and life. I was actually looking where to go further. Also I wanted to know why I am more successful than others and how can I help people around me to be more successful in life and in their jobs. People around me had a respect toward me as I was young and quite successful, and the luxurious BMW 7 also helped my prestige at that time. Of course I had a lot of questions, philosophical questions, organizational questions, self-improvement questions, doubts and so on…I really wanted to help people around me and wanted to push myself a little further. I had time to think about these, since my company was running even without me and I was not burdened with handling daily problems, others were doing it for me many times. But I also saw that many people are struggling in life and I asked the magical questions many times, why? And why I am not? I was introverted well in this question at that time. Besides my company was growing with more employees and staff so I had to prepare myself for being able to handle more things and lead the company to new directions and so on, in the meantime helping my staff also.
I will continue ) (And I have to write my story down in Hungarian also ) (And I am very far away of perfect english so sorry for some mistakes in my english writings)
Have a great afternoon and evening there!
I cannot really serve you with horrible stories, escapes and punishments today. I hope some of you will get something to take out from my story though, regarding scientology.
What is interesting for me is that much less stories you can read about people, ex- scientologists, who were only “public” of scientology and not Sea Org members. Sea Org members, we could say, kind of the most hardcore employees of the Cherch. The big scientology fighters for the soul. The customers of the Cherch is simply called “Public”. In Scientology they call people “public”, people who go in the “Cherch” and just simply buy the service or services of the church.(Quite weird vocabulary as it is.) So we are now talking about “public”. This is why the organizations, churches are there in the first place. To provide scientology services for simple people or for not that simple people. They should provide auditing, as service, in the first place. (But when you are inside the cherch as “public”, after a while, you start to feel a bit strange that you are just a stupid person who has to be saved by these interesting looking uniform guys.)
This is tricky, because I went to Scientology to buy some auditing service with some given goals and purposes.(imagined goals) So you think your name will be “public” or “a business man” or a “guy from the street” when you step in the door and that is quite safe for you and you think it will stay as it is. You just want to buy some service. It’s not a problem. But as the fly thinks that she is a fly, meanwhile the spider considers her the “food”, and the fly slowly becomes just a “food”. No any evil in it, it is just as it is. So it does not really matter anymore what the fly thinks who she is. I mean you unsuspiciously walk into Scientology as “public” and then somehow you just realize that you morphed to a “Sea Org” member, which became just the part of the body of the Organization. Very cheaply, economically actually from the organization’s viewpoint.
People, like me, do not usually write their stories in Scientology on the internet. Why?
I am from Hungary and very rare if I can find any stories written in Hungarian language about a person who was a scientologist as a real active “public” who went up the bridge, and then he just one day finished the whole thing and do not go in the church anymore. Like myself. 13-14 years ago I finished fully the scientology activity. Why?
In English, I also do not read a lot of stories about people who were called simply the “public” and who went up the “Scientology Bridge” in real, and then they have just disappeared after a while. If you search amongst videos on youtube, you cannot watch too many of their stories on youtube, like the one of Jason Beghe (which is brilliant and helped me a lot in some questions). Why these other people do not speak out? Why a lot of people who were very active public of scientology, consumers of scientology services, do not speak out on the internet. Many people would be interested in their stories I think, as they were “Users” of Scientology service. Basically I also know some of similar people like me - I am convinced that there should be at least thousands of stories, videos on youtube from people who were buying a lot of services from the “church”, then they just stopped doing that after a while. On Hungarian internet forums I met with many ex-Sea Org members but I have not met people who were “public” only. Mostly the stories start like “I was an SO member”…
This is not very good, since it looks like if only for example Apple staff members would write about Apple on the internet, but never the users of the apple products. Silly, but seemingly that is the situation about Scientology. This is a very strange thing regarding scientology. And it is consequently full of biases. People, “public” who the least they should learn in Scientology is communication on a good level, do not communicate and cannot really communicate well. They should be now communication super stars on the internet. Or maybe they do not have anything to say. They maybe as-ised(vanished, cleared) everything from their mind.
The only thing they could say sometimes is: Read Hubbard books. And when you ask them, - OK, but what is your opinion about “black and white processing” or “SOP processing”, they would say, - ohh, I do not want to give you "verbal tech"…(most of them do not know anything about these processes anyway) , then I say, - I am not interested in hearing "verbal tech", I am interested in your opinion, experience. I say, - Well…what is your opinion about grade III? - Ohh, Idunno, it’s good…You should just do that and you will see, it's great stuff. - But on 1 to 10 how good is it?
I know it is not easy to talk about these things.
...After I got the famous L-Rundowns in Flag, I finished with the “Cherch of Scientology”. They call these Rundowns/processes the most powerful rundowns ever developed in Scientology. Basically, in Scientology, these L-Rundowns were considered, and I think also, more powerful rundowns than the “Super Power Rundown” itself. (well, I have doubt of their value though) But later, I'll talk about that a bit more too.
...I am not the funny, Hungarian guy whom you see as a Sea Org staff member all over the world. Really, if you go around the world, well, if you go to East Grinstead, Saint Hill, England, or if you go to Flag, Florida or you go to Copenhagen, Denmark, you will find a lot of strange Hungarian staff members, Sea Org members. I mean, I was personally, as a Hungarian, shocked by that fact.
Hungary is a small country in the middle of nowhere in Europe, with about 10 million citizens, surrounded by countries like Slovakia, Czech, Romania, Ukraine, Slovenia, Austria and Croatia. But if you go to Flag, you will not see Sea Org members from the Czech, Slovakia, Romania, Croatia and so on…or you will meet 100 smiley-Hungarians and Mexicans, maybe a lot of Russians too until you will find 1 person from Austria for example, or from Romania, which is more than double sized country than Hungary.
I do not want to invalidate too much Hungarians but this small datum on which you can think about for a bit from this viewpoint: why and how people are going into Scientology and what is the target market of Scientology really.
The second question on this is the following: Guess where was the biggest Amway movement in Europe in the 90s? It was in Hungary. Way bigger than in any other countries in Europe. Hungary had 10 times as many Amway Diamonds and Silvers and other shit than in any other country in Europe. Do you smell any kind of easily hypnotizable “herd mentality” here “on steroids” for a specific country? I mean they in Hungarian Scientology do not only think that Hungary has the most natural OTs(Operating Thetans) ever born on the whole planet, but they have been advertising heavily 20 years ago here that Hungary will be the first Clear country in the whole world. The loudest on this goal of course the Hungarian Sea Org members and Cherch staff members who have not even got any auditing yet. Leaded by few people who were, most of them of course, past life Clears, and now they few years ago finished OTVII or OTVIII. Very few of these you can find in Hungary though, but it is more than enough from their part to contribute to the unbelievable “mass delusion” about the prestigious "Bridge to Nowhere" and about Scientology. Scientology is shrinking all over the world, but not in Hungary, believe me. That is a quite stable datum. But this will change very soon…
I was born in the middle of nowhere in a small town of Hungary in a poor family without almost any chance for anything in life, normally. But honestly, nobody would have put a cent on me when I was 14. I made my first half a million (USD) when I was 23 years old as an entrepreneur, in Hungary. I do not want to go into details and it is not about promoting myself since I do not need that and since it is not relevant here and now, but I just want to phrase that I was not a lost guy in my life before Scientology and I am also not lost after Scientology.(but I was quite lost during Scientology) When I was 27 years old I already got almost everything what an average person could wish in life on this planet. I had a lot of young people working in my company, unbelievable atmosphere, I traveled a lot, I had money, my girlfriend was very nice, and my company was decent, measured on the Hungarian scale. But I still wanted to improve and wanted to know more about the world and life. I was actually looking where to go further. Also I wanted to know why I am more successful than others and how can I help people around me to be more successful in life and in their jobs. People around me had a respect toward me as I was young and quite successful, and the luxurious BMW 7 also helped my prestige at that time. Of course I had a lot of questions, philosophical questions, organizational questions, self-improvement questions, doubts and so on…I really wanted to help people around me and wanted to push myself a little further. I had time to think about these, since my company was running even without me and I was not burdened with handling daily problems, others were doing it for me many times. But I also saw that many people are struggling in life and I asked the magical questions many times, why? And why I am not? I was introverted well in this question at that time. Besides my company was growing with more employees and staff so I had to prepare myself for being able to handle more things and lead the company to new directions and so on, in the meantime helping my staff also.
I will continue ) (And I have to write my story down in Hungarian also ) (And I am very far away of perfect english so sorry for some mistakes in my english writings)
Have a great afternoon and evening there!
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