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Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
So far, no one has yet met my Clay Demo challenge: "Abstract".

If I had to do such a clay demo, I would probably do something like this:

Two contrasting scenes, maybe more if the sup didn't think it was clear enough.

One would have these parts:
1. A human body with a thetan perched on top of the head.
2. A usual line/lassoo/loop of clay coming from the thetan, and in the loop would be a small ring labelled "concept". The loop would be labelled "thought" or "loop" if the sup was being anal.
3. Another loop attached indistinctly to both the thetan and body, labelled "mind". If the sup didn't like that I'd use a flat slab labelled "mind" and show the damn sup the reference if he still objected. In the mind would be a small rectangular slab labelled "picture", with either something scratched in the clay or a different-coloured piece of clay to show the item, a large box.
4. On the floor in front of the body would be a large box, looking similar to the picture.

The contrasting scene would be similar, with a concept shown as a small ring labelled "concept", except there would be no picture, and no box.

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If the sup was being particularly anal, I would get into more detail, again using different scenes to define it in terms of what abstract is not.

Paul
 

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Clay demo of "Abstract"...

I would make an exact clay demo of the entire Dictionary page that includes the word "abstract", slightly blurring focus on every other word.

Okay, okay, okay, get off my case already! I am a chronic metaphysical cheater. :D
 

Zinjifar

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Clay demo of "Abstract"...

I would make an exact clay demo of the entire Dictionary page that includes the word "abstract", slightly blurring focus on every other word.

Okay, okay, okay, get off my case already! I am a chronic metaphysical cheater. :D

I would make a little lump of clay with a toothpick in it and a sign on it saying 'abstract'

Zinj
 

Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
If you want to be a scientologist, or at least have the true experience of it, you need to form your own opinions based on your interactions with your materials and leave others opinions entirely out of it.

This is an experience you will not get in the Church of Scientology with out a fight, but it is an important one in my opinion.

Study your materials and apply them as the basis of all your conclusions about scientology, or get out of it.

The Church of Scientology on the other hand (rather than scientology as a philosophy and technology) may be better understood with some exposure to others opinions.

(I am not an ex by the way, but still a church member)

I would hope that in my own posts, the difference between "opinion" and "objective fact" is clear to all readers concerned.
 
Many processes have an EP which is not known to the PC. Such info is guarded somewhat from the PC. I am currently being run on clay table processing - PLEASE, DO NOT TELL ME THE EP EVEN IF YOU KNOW IT!! - I am really trying to figure out my own way in/out of Scientology. But, the fact that such info is held from the PC does seem to indicate that some processes, anyway, are not a scam, but are actually run to a certain definite point. Apparently, I'm not there yet, but its going well so far. I am enjoying playing with the clay. I've written up a few wins, even had a minor ARC break b/c I felt I was being overrun on the process, but apparently I still haven't manifested the EP. So, we'll keep plugging and see what happens.

There seems so many things in SCN that are so non workable, but other indications seem to show that it's heart is in the right place and results are available to be had legitimately, despite the cost. Its quite a conundrum to solve this riddle.

Also, I am curious from the trained auditors on here if it is policy (as opposed to merely practice) to tell the PC little snippets of info about delays or what is REALLY going on, etc? For example, in the little auditing I've been a PC in, it seems if something is happening regarding my folder, I will be told just vagueries and that it'll just be 2 minutes. 2 minutes goes by, and it'll be another 2 minutes. "OK, but I've got to be out of here in 5 minutes", says me. "OK, hang tight for 5 minutes and we'll be able to tell you more". Me - "Alright." 5 minutes later, "So, whats up?" "Oh, go ahead and leave and we'll see you tomorrow".

Or today, I showed up at 9:30am as I was told to do. My auditor wasn't ready. I am not keen on wasting my time, I have A LOT on my plate and sitting an hour watching the clock wind by is not acceptable to me, especially considering the Auditor's Code says something about keeping your appointments. Anyway, every query I gave for the hour I sat there was met with more vagueries and attempts to make me just go away. The sups - 2 of them - seemed very "withholdy". I don't mind if there is a delay, I understand that I am not the only one in the building, but at least tell me the scoop so I can be part of the team. I was just curious is there is policy on keeping the PC in the dark about things like this.

It seems you are expecting it to make sense, and to benefit you in some substancial way...that is likely your biggest mistake with it all.
 

Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
If I had to do such a clay demo, I would probably do something like this:

Two contrasting scenes, maybe more if the sup didn't think it was clear enough.

One would have these parts:
1. A human body with a thetan perched on top of the head.
2. A usual line/lassoo/loop of clay coming from the thetan, and in the loop would be a small ring labelled "concept". The loop would be labelled "thought" or "loop" if the sup was being anal.
3. Another loop attached indistinctly to both the thetan and body, labelled "mind". If the sup didn't like that I'd use a flat slab labelled "mind" and show the damn sup the reference if he still objected. In the mind would be a small rectangular slab labelled "picture", with either something scratched in the clay or a different-coloured piece of clay to show the item, a large box.
4. On the floor in front of the body would be a large box, looking similar to the picture.

The contrasting scene would be similar, with a concept shown as a small ring labelled "concept", except there would be no picture, and no box.

-----

If the sup was being particularly anal, I would get into more detail, again using different scenes to define it in terms of what abstract is not.

Paul

Clay demo of "Abstract"...

I would make an exact clay demo of the entire Dictionary page that includes the word "abstract", slightly blurring focus on every other word.

Okay, okay, okay, get off my case already! I am a chronic metaphysical cheater. :D

I would make a little lump of clay with a toothpick in it and a sign on it saying 'abstract'

Zinj

Sorry, I flunk all three attempts (Paul's rating the highest).

Remember you are attempting to demonstrate something that is completely non-physical with lumps of MEST, and it's analogous to explaining the difference between red and blue to someone born blind.
 

practice

Patron with Honors
I would make a clay demo of a piece of paper with the following words etched into it:

"Abstract:

In this paper, we prove the Generalized Riemann Hypothesis by means of a Tauberian theorem that was discovered in connection to a new class of elliptic hypergeometric integral identities that have no analogue in the hypergeometric or q-hypergeometric settings. This research was made possible by a generous grant from the NSF."
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
I think, if I were the sup, I would flunk you, Practice. You must represent each of those concepts in clay, and the sup must be able to tell from the clay what the label should be, and then what the demo is, overall. Thus, he should look at the clay and say "Ah, this is clearly the proof of the Generalized Riemann Hypothesis, by means of a Tauberian theorem". Otherwise, it's back to the table with you.
 
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