If you actually got what you PAID for....

[Ogsonofgroo]

If you actually got what you paid for, hmmmm, you'd be rich, immortal, the world would have been cleaned up 30-40 years ago, there'd be no crime, wars, cancer, or twinkies... just off the top of me head.

'And yes, our wins would have justified the abuses damnit!' I think this is very sad, unless sarcastic. "Kill this baby and you will become immortal." No thanks, would rather die I think. (example purposes only)

 

[Human Again]

I realise my post is not in keeping with the tone of the thread, sorry HH, I really love your take and I will endeavour to join in in a more rapport building way later tonight but I just have to question a little itty bitty line.

And yes, our wins would have justified the abuses dammit!

Ouch! :confused2: Your own abuses or everyones?

'cause I can't see the justification for the abuses experienced by others: deaths, rapes, bankcrupcies, diversions and decades lost, aborted children, neglected children etc.

Mind you, if you achieved OT XX and it wasn't all first dynamic power we were talking about as well as clear maybe one could care about those people who paved the bridge with their bones look into their banks and as-is all their shit that caused them to experience it and make up for it? Can something as bad as "I lost my child" or "I never had a child" be "made up for"? Not for this little black duck

If Scientology actually worked the world would actually be a much saner place now, no wars, no crime, no insanity. The third dynamic bank would have gone and people would all be supporting or at least not sabotaging one another or the planet. Hmmm, worth the pain of those most extremely damaged? Can they be in on the vote?

One of my most passionate arguments against the COS is the cost to people who never even got to try the bridge. Innocent bystanders whose lives were derailed as well as staff and SO who gave their lives so others may achieve OT. Far more in number than those who received bridge services as part of their contract.

The opportunity cost to communities is also monumentous - how many potential cancer-curers were diverted from their orginal goals, how many altruistic politicians ( OK, I know you're laughing but I have a pretty active imagination) how many musicians who would have made millions of hearts lift? How many writers, artists, great potential parents who never got a chance to raise little potential geniuses of their own who may have been the net Mozart or Da Vinci? Thank goodness Scientolgy wasn't around when DaVinci was a sparkle in his parents eye. A single human being can make enormous contribution to the civilisation but not when they are in the Scientology trap.

Phew, OK, sorry Ferral, that landslide is not meant for you directly but for the thought, 'cause I suspect there are actually Scientologists out there who, even if they knew about the abuses would feel it was an ok trade for their freedom. And, as you can see that makes me see red!

 

[Stat]

I don't think Feral meant it like that. It was just a way of saying/expressing dissapointment/feeling of betrayal, I believe.
Figure of speech, so to say. Chill, brothers and sisters.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I realise my post is not in keeping with the tone of the thread,sorry HH, I really love your take and I will endeavour to join in in a more rapport building way later tonight but I just have to question a little itty bitty line.

No wayyyy!

Cool post, let's see what happens...

Anyways....in the Church of Hoaxology..."All tones are good tones!"

And, unlike the Church of Scientology, when you go to a Hoaxology Event, there is no preferential seating either at the front for big donors and Hollywood celebs.

In fact Hoaxology Events only offer seating in a single, solitary row; therefore everyone has "front row" seats.

"Hoaxology is the only game in the universe where everyone is someone."
(Hell Ron Hoaxard)
​

 

[Feral]

Ouch! :confused2: Your own abuses or everyones?

'snip'

Why everyone's of course!

I was making a poignant point. It seemed funny to me too, in an ironical way.

It's not possible that the tech could produce these abilities and yet those who achieved these states could possibly be so flawed as to perpetrate the abuses that have occurred.

It isn't possible that the CofS could have "the only true tech" on organisations and be so thoroughly unable to pay their staff or keep toilet paper in the rest rooms.

It isn't possible that the whole international staff have the tech of detecting and handling SPs and David Miscavige runs around the int base destroying the lives and self esteem of those most devoted to serving the cause while he lives the life of a billionaire.

I wasn't planning to get so "heavy" I was having a good laugh at the whole mindset of Scientologists the world over. Which BTW, I still am.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I wasn't planning to get so "heavy" I was having a good laugh at the whole mindset of Scientologists the world over. Which BTW, I still am.

Which you still are....what? You are a whatttttttt??!!

OMG. What?!!!

You mean you are a--S-Sc--Sci-Sci-Scie-Scien-Scient-Sci-Sci----

I can't say it. Held down OT VII or something. You say it.

Wait! Don't say it!

Okay, go ahead, say it.

Are you sure you want to say it?

If you say it, I need a Review.

Please God,
Don't let Feral say
He is a Scientologist!​

 

[Feral]

'Still am' having a good laugh, which is only punctuated by my having a good laugh at you and your jokes.

Pardon the ambiguity.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

If you really got what you PAID for....

When you went Clear you would be happy and free of all problems, insecurities and worries--just like Ron promised.

Instead of...

REGISTRAR
Congratulations on going Clear!
Ron and your C/S have a special message for you.

CLEAR
Wow! I feel so validated and happy!

REGISTRAR
You are not really happy because you have a big problem
which you should feel very insecure and worried about!

CLEAR
What? I am a Clear shouldn't I feel free and great?

REGISTRAR
You are at great risk. You need to get thru the
Non-Interference Area immediately before very
horrible things happen to you!

CLEAR
But I am a Clear, bad things don't happen to me.
Do they?

REGISTRAR
You are right. You the Clear have nothing to worry
about. But you--the composite being that is chock-full
of other "yous" who are determined to ruin your life--
that you is fucked!

CLEAR
Yeah, I get it now.
I think I just spotted 3 of my other "yous".
You, the C/S and Ron.​

 

[programmer_guy]

Maybe if Ron could have actually been the person that he claimed to be then none of this would have ever happened.
And this message board would not have ever been created.

And, I haven't gotten any more phone calls since I told them to stop calling me and "declare" me if that's what it takes.

 

[Panda Termint]

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[uniquemand]

I did get what I paid for in scientology. However, I also got fucked over by them.

Sort of like if you were to buy a lamp at Sears, and it worked, but Sears then demanded your wife, children, and job because you didn't want to buy another lamp.

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

I did get what I paid for in scientology. However, I also got fucked over by them.

Sort of like if you were to buy a lamp at Sears, and it worked, but Sears then demanded your wife, children, and job because you didn't want to buy another lamp.

The lamp was made in a slave factory on Dr.Moro's Island of mutants, the wiring is fucked, the bulb has questionable life expectancy, the shade is flammable material, and the light it shines is intermittent even when the plug fits and the volatage is nearly right.
What did you get, really, that you couldn't figure out for yourself for nothing just by looking around at the world and growing some more?

 

[uniquemand]

No, in my case, the lamp worked very well, no problem at all, and was a rare find. That lamp was the Dianetics process. It might have been a knockoff, and others may question its value, but I still like it and am glad I have it. I doubt I would have run into it, because psychology moved away from it's use (abreaction and anamnesis), in favor of other methods/theories, and only now is coming back to it through REBT, but still are missing some protocols that make cognitive flooding efficacious.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

If you really got what you PAID for, you wouldn't have to read "Ultimate Wins" from Scientologists who are "Going OT" like this in Advance Magazine...

ULTIMATE SUCCESS STORY​

Last night I was driving from point A to point B and obnosed that I was in a downstat neighborhood. Suddenly my MEST car broke down because it was built using WOG tech--instead of advanced auto tech which Ron discovered from billions of years ago. Then, I was surrounded by an out-ethics third dynamic that tried to run a can't-have on me when they demanded that I give them my watch, credit cards and cash. I immediately spotted their group-bank tone level and realized that they were in the winning valence of a "Gang" that had overwhelmed them on the wholetrack. Using Ron's PDC datum on 'reverse vector' I disagreed with their postulates, and used mimicry to repeat the term 'motherf**ker' every time they did. It was amazing to see the TA moving on their cases as I audited them thru their stuck point on the track. The confusion really started blowing off as they came up thru 'punishing bodies' and I granted them beingness to punch and kick my MEST body until they felt good about it at which point they began line charging and went away with my watch which I, the thetan, don't need because time is the basis of all abberation. And Ron also says a thetan doesn't need MEST money and is happier without it--so everybody wins! I am totally certain, as I lie here today in this WOG hospital room, that my PC's from last night are reaching for more LRH tech to get on the Bridge and continue getting such huge wins. As an OT, I picked up in the theta universe that they are still line charging about all their gains. Thanks Ron.​

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

^^^ OMG HH!^^^^ The milk! Outta my nose! It burns!!!

 

[uniquemand]

Oh, I didn't buy that shit, HH! Jesus! I bought Dianetics, and it delivered what I was looking for, if not what they were selling.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Oh, I didn't buy that shit, HH! Jesus! I bought Dianetics, and it delivered what I was looking for, if not what they were selling.

That's cool that you had a good experience.

My experience was different so I must have bought that squirrel version of DMSMH where somebody pretended to be Ron and talked about the abilities of a Clear.

Luckily, when Ron found out about it in the 1950's, he immediately put an end to the false data line that Dianetics results in the state of Clear.

(2:20 - 2:50)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IePFWmbHBo​

It is like so out-KSW that people don't listen to Ron! He researched Dianetics and discovered that it doesn't work!

When this 1958 (ca) filmed lecture gets released, I am like totally for sure certain that Scientologists will stop selling Dianetics with promises of Clear.

I guess the 50 year com lag is necessary so that RTC can really verify if that was actually Ron in the film, not some con man, impostor, universe-saver-wannabe.