I'm done

[lurkanon]

Unfortunately, this pattern of vicious attacks on effective critics, especially exes, has gone on ever since the beginning of criticism on the Internet. In the early days, there was someone called Diane Richardson, a critic of Scientology, who spent most of her time viciously and methodically attacking many key ex-member critics. Various people have been crucified over the years not only by the Cult, but also by other critics.

It is incredibly destructive and short sighted, but there you have it.

Emma, like many others before her, did not deserve these attacks, and it is amazing that she has put up with the crap for so long. I wish her only peace, and happiness, and much respect, admiration, and empathy.

 

[R6Basic]

oh and I just had to say

"So long, and thanks for all the fish"

Ditto.

I'm glad I found ESMB but it has done its job, there are other sources to get people out (like their own common sense).

Will miss it but change is part of this world.

 

[Boomima]

I read the ESM Bored. I learned that Pooks is hilarious, Tory is really nice (all of the time) and that some people have never left 5th grade. So, basically, I didn't learn anything new at all.

Emma, enjoy your freedom and spend your time on your family and friends.

 

[Emma]

It was not initiated by Zinj. It was initiated by No Zeno.

Actually it was initiated by Zinj. Have a look at the member list. Nozeno was added by Zinj.

 

[Sindy]

Actually it was initiated by Zinj. Have a look at the member list. Nozeno was added by Zinj.

Oh. Well, I left that group so I cannot check that out but, I believe you. I was mistaken.

I wish you all the best. Thank you for all the help that you have given me.

 

[Terril park]

Aah, Scoots, that is a wonderful and moving post of yours above.

Yeh, I dig the sense of duty guys like you and many others [but not enough]) feel . . . and of course, our Emms is THE example of this.

I too have been pulled in other directions . . . but I kept my presence and posting on ESMB in-spite of ridicule by the "you know whats" because I wouldn't give the bastards the win of either affecting me or driving me off helping folks.

We who have the info really do have a duty to put it to use.

We have achieved so many wonderful successes, in spite of the idiot think and evil actions railed against us.

And having said that, I do believe a massive victory in curtailing the cult and its unrestricted evil ways is near at hand . . . . and then we can take off "to grow our orchids."

Rog

Had some run ins with you. Don't grok knowledgism, or all that you say,
and don't always agree with the latter.

However I admire your smarts and efforts.

 

[Terril park]

Oh. Well, I left that group so I cannot check that out but, I believe you. I was mistaken.

I wish you all the best. Thank you for all the help that you have given me.

Really sorry to see you leave. You have been one of the nicest [theta in another language] posters here.

love

 

[Veda]

The continuation of ESMB's data base - its archives - is a key issue.

If that data base survives, it can continue to be consulted, especially with a good search engine, and eventually it can form the foundation for another living Message Board.

Allowing that data base to vanish would be madness, on the order of the destruction of a great library.

Emma, no matter what, things will be brighter and better with each passing day. It's always darkest before the dawn.

 

[Terril park]

The continuation of ESMB's data base - its archives - is a key issue.

If that data base survives, it can continue to be consulted, especially with a good search engine, and eventually it can form the foundation for another living Message Board.

Allowing that data base to vanish would be madness, on the order of the destruction of a great library.

Emma, no matter what, things will be brighter and better with each passing day. It's always darkest before the dawn.

On that ESMB posts have been available on google searches etc.
[possibly embarrassing to some!!!!!]

Will they still be there if ESMB is terminated?

 

[degraded being]

At the time of all the drama and subsequent banning's I felt (and still feel) that something was 'missing' and that only part of the story was being told ... but I certainly didn't need (or want) to know the full story and would have preferred it if the upset had remained private between Emma, Carmel, Zinj, Alanzo and later the others.

Until that awful upset I had only ever seen the people mentioned being very warm towards each other and I really thought they were true friends and that they would sort it given time.

Something weird definitely happened ... I disagreed with banning them and still do, I think it was handled badly and I realise my saying that won't go down well.

My allegiance is with Emma, but I wish allegiance wasn't an issue and that the upset could have either been handled 100% in private or if on the board that no banning's occurred, at least until all the cards were on the table.

If vile things are being said about Emma specifically and especially at this time then that is absolutely disgusting, but I haven't seen anything because I don't do facebook.

There are missing parts to this jigsaw IMO but it's all a bit late now to try and put things back together.

I very much want Emma to be free from all of this stress and left alone now, but I am not joining the "Zinj is an arsehole club" ...

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This is very close to the way I saw and felt about it all too.
I did think Zinj was getting closer and closer to the line, suggesting (accusing?) that Emma was being taken over by Marty or OSA (can't remember which), and I thought that she would have to ban him at some point. I did not understand whatever it was that was going on with Alanzo. And then there was Carmel...etc...

"...I felt (and still feel) that something was 'missing' and that only part of the story was being told ..."

That's how it was for me too. Of course something was missing. These people were having huge dramas half offline and half online. "Friends" would chip in online with "how nasty so-and-so is" with no docs just allusions to stuff that a lot of members could not see or hear because it was off-line. That part really gave me the screaming shits! And it's started again. I have already said that by own observation from reading posts here, was that Zinj was crossing the line and putting Emma in the position where she'd have to ban him. But I am not part of his FB groups and I wonder how many people here actually are in those groups. So it gives me the shits when people who are not in those groups seem to project whatever they want into them and then post it here. I would rather hear it from Sindy or whoever else has been in the groups and can give a more realistic idea of how much Emma bashing is going on there or not. I am not suggesting it is not happening or it is happening, I just want it from a source closer to the horse's mouth. Having said all that, I guess Sindy has given some information from fairly close to where the horses mouth was a few months ago. So that helps a little bit with the "something missing" syndrome. Maybe more will follow from someone who is still close to the horses mouth?

 

[SomeGuy]

Will they still be there if ESMB is terminated?

Nope. If Emma doesn't renew and nothing is done to transfer the domain and the database, it will all be gone.

If some one does get a hold of the database it will take awhile for some of it to be crawled and indexed.

Which is why you'd prefer a domain and database transfer if you wish to maintain the googleness of ESMB.

From the sounds of it, Emma is done meaning you'd (royal you) need to make this as easy for her as humanly possible. Admin transfer of the server would be easiest way, although you'd probably need to be a masochist to take that on.

If emma is worried about privacy I'm sure (I might even volunteer) some one could write some simple SQL scripts to delete all PMs and reset all passwords/emails. Basically doing a user identity wipe. That might open the realm of "custodians" up should the current crop not want to take this on.

 

[lie2meiluvit]

I was recently sent invitations to join both ESMbored and Trainspotting and after Emma posted the OP "I'm done, I posted to both FB boards a post that said "Thanks Zinj for Destroying ESMB".

I quit trainspotting so I can't see what's happening there, but did notice that ZINJ, who constantly and falsely accuses Emma of deleting posts, proceed to delete my post from ESMBored about his responsibility for destroying ESMB with his constant lies and shit stirring bullshit.


If you've followed my post you know I am very careful to accuse any one of being OSA or working on behalf of OSA. I think the OSAOSAOSA conspiracy stuff is mostly wrong. But I have to tell you, I'm looking at this hard and cold and I'm thinking that there is something really wrong here with Zinj and his followers who are, imo, pretty much duped by him.

I've been watching Zinj for over 12 years. You know I already feel he's a complete predatory creep based on his behavior toward a young girl and other women on the net.

The information I have on him -- and please correct me if I am wrong-- is that he's been married to a woman who is a Scientologist. If she is an ex scn then I've not seen any info on that.

He's gone from a man with no job, very bad teeth and just about homeless to a man
with no job, all new teeth, and a house.

He posts obsessively on the internet 12 to 14 hours a day. When does he work?
Who is paying him? How do you get new teeth and a house with no job?

Aside from WWP, ESMB is probably the most successful and effective anti Scn message board on the net. Hundreds, if not thousands of exes have found a safe place to tell their stories and share information. The only one to "win" with ESMB's demise is obviously OSA and DM. So it would only make sense that OSA would want to take the board down and the way they do that is to pay a person full time to do something like that. Someone who has a proven record of being a Scn critic yet when you look at him up close and personal you find that all he does is start wars between groups of critics and exes and then fans the flames and keeps them going.

I don't know if Zinj is OSA or just a predatory sociopath, but either way, he's someone that, imo, should not be trusted as his product is to cause infighting and discontent and nothing else.

FUCK OSA AND FUCK ZINJ. Both working toward the same ends.

I've been a member for a few years and rarely post but after reading this thread I feel the need to put my 2 cents in...

Emma,
Speaking from someone that has never been in, I have to say you have done a wonderful job maintaining this board. The people here are all different in their points of view and walks of life yet they share a common bond. To find this on a message board is unique and it has kept me reading for quite some time and I still have soooo much left to read. I come back to get the news about CO$ and even to see how you all are doing.I was deeply saddened to find out about Alan Walter and am very happy that Paul saved everything he wrote. The same must apply to this board... For history's sake and for future exes because the walls of scientology won't be coming down by October. They'll need a soft landing to help them. I've been to the other boards and each one offers different things. This board is all of them in one. Nothing compares to this board. I feel this board should stay running the way it is.

You have fought a HUGE battle and it's understandable that you need a life away from this now and you deserve it! You were there when exes needed you and you probably will always be but the demand of this board and all of the fair game you have dealt with has taken it's toll. I'm sorry to hear about your Mum. That in itself has been a burden and you don't need Zinj or anyone else kicking you when you're down. That's really low. IMSHO...I agree with Pooks on this one. It seems he's always stirred the pot and caused strife amongst fellow posters. As for his lifestyle, I have a job with good insurance and still can't afford my dental bills. If he is married to someone IN then he wouldn't be so loud about his hatred for the cult. Common sense tells me he's getting payed. I've never heard of anyone married to someone in the cult that could post as much as he does without any disconnection or fair game. He may have been fair gamed a few years back but nothing lately and if he's still married to someone in then it just don't make sense.

I wish you all the best in whatever you do but I truly hope you just pass the torch on to someone else so this board can remain alive for those to come. Every last person stuck in will need a place to work things out and the people here care so much and are patient to newly outs, allowing them to evolve into their new selves and offer information in helping them to see the mind fuck.

It's your turn now Emma. Enjoy your life and make new memories without the cult in the background. Put it behind you. You deserve it

 

[degraded being]

Is Zinj married to someone who is in?
That would be quite something if he is!

 

[Osiris]

I would also like to say thanks to Emma, for everything on this Message board

You deserve a life apart from this board, & I wish you all the very best for the Future

I thought I was all alone, in my thoughts & memories of my time at Scientology

the healing this board has bought to my life is invaluable,

I sincerely hope there is someone with IT skills enough to take the batten & keep this board alive.....

Many Thanks & Goodluck Emma

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

Nope. If Emma doesn't renew and nothing is done to transfer the domain and the database, it will all be gone.

If some one does get a hold of the database it will take awhile for some of it to be crawled and indexed.

Which is why you'd prefer a domain and database transfer if you wish to maintain the googleness of ESMB.

From the sounds of it, Emma is done meaning you'd (royal you) need to make this as easy for her as humanly possible. Admin transfer of the server would be easiest way, although you'd probably need to be a masochist to take that on.

If emma is worried about privacy I'm sure (I might even volunteer) some one could write some simple SQL scripts to delete all PMs and reset all passwords/emails. Basically doing a user identity wipe. That might open the realm of "custodians" up should the current crop not want to take this on.

Though I'm pretty sure Emma already knows what steps need to be taken to remain secure and keep her, and ultimately our, info safe already, your thought is not without merit I am thinking.
As far as administrative transfers.... hm, obviously only the most absolutely known and trusted might be considered.
As has been mentioned before a couple of times in this and other threads, in a worst case scenario, an info-stripped static site that people can refference would be better than nothing. The best case would probably be if can be configured to carry on basically as is, hope so, but the major question remains... who has the heart and fire of Emma that will carry on? I thinkin' the gene-pool is pretty frikken small on that one. *huge sigh*
Anyhow, if the site has to be moved, move servers ect., it'll be a bit of more complicated eh. Personally I'd have the basic (info-stripped) site set-up on a removable HD and do it directly, hell, they make multi-tetra ones now. Pertainent information that is directly need can be targeted and leaked without releasing all the personal database? dunno am having to read up on it.
End derail, this is making me feel sad

 

[FoTi]

Absolutely! Very good point. It is not expensive to simply own a domain name. Emma, I'd suggest paying for it for 10 or 20 years and just let it die a natural death unless you want to give it to someone else completely trustworthy. Letting it lapse would be an error. You will need money to do this and if there is not enough in the kitty, just say so and it will appear.

Yes....definitely keep the domain name, and let us know what you need to do that.....I'm sure a lot of us would be willing to chip in on that.

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

If this is truly the case then I just want to put my thanks out there for all of those who have helped me through a very rough time. I've nearly found myself yet at least I'm really looking now. I don't know what I would have done without this message board at the time I needed it/you all.

 

[ChurchOfCylontology]

Yes....definitely keep the domain name, and let us know what you need to do that.....I'm sure a lot of us would be willing to chip in on that.

I'm one of the 'never-been-a-Scientologist' that has spent hours reading, discussing this cult with others, and reading some more. I've been doing it since before 2008 but it became a hobby after January 2008. I don't know why some people don't understand why this subject is so important when we have a gestapo in our backyards.

Not to 'go-Godwin' on you all here, but there's actually a formal difference between a concentration camp and a death camp. Scientology has concentration camps, and they exist right under our noses. I think that this should be PLENTY of reason for people like me to spend a lot of time educating others.

This board serves a purpose and a very important need that is not addressed on any other Internet site, and the removal of this board will create a huge vacuum. Nature abhors a vacuum so the potential for severe harm if this board is removed concerns me greatly.

Running this board must be like learning how to swallow swords safely. One false move and you've just sliced open your throat. For many of us, we'd rather be an observer than a participant mainly because none of us want to be arrested like Emma was last year (it was last year, right?). I simply cannot risk that, but I would be willing to help financially if I was able to send my money to someone I trust (and there are a few of you out there).

I hope that someone very brave can step forward to take over, and then we can go from there. If there are arrangements, please PM me so I can try to help. I will only do it in a method that I trust so if I don't know you, please don't take offense if I am very reluctant. I am not a risk taker but I really do see the great need for this place to continue.

 

[Stat]

I'm not done.

I really do respect and understand it all.

I feel like I'm done almost every day. Really.

But I also think about others who are still in.

So, I am not done. I am only speaking for myself though.
May be simply because, I didn't expose as much truth yet.

If Emma, Sindy and any other good people I love are done,
so be it, I will never blame them for that. It's very personal.

I am not done.

 

[Stat]

I am not done.

If you are not done, please say something.

ESMB is too big now for only Emma to deal
with it. She needs all support and love she can get.

Let's give it to her, so this brilliant form of activism can go on.
Technical support, more moderators, money, simple care, all of it.

Am I the only person who is not done?!

New thread, if you are not done: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?26909-ESMB-is-not-done.&p=680137#post680137