I'm Losing my Friend to this Cult!!

[thetanic]

I totally get your position.

Possibly the best thing is to drop a single open-ended question on your friend every few conversations.

Like if friend mentions fundraising for Idle Orgs, ask, "How does that fit in with the LRH policy called Solve It With Scientology that prohibits fundraising?"

Then back off.

Raise questions that the person will have to research and will gnaw at them.

 

[FinallyFree]

yes, leading by example. Scilons are always told that 'Out There' is crazy it's one of the reasons people stay on staff for so long even when they don't really like it. They 'know' that it's worse out side, full of wogs who can't complete cycles of action and sleep walk through their life. If you can keep your friend connected to real world then they will know that wogs are people too and this world has got on just fine without Scn.

Exactly - and don't be shy about pointing out any of the BS. Nothing worng wit pointing out to someone the crazinees they may not see for themselvs.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

<snip> Like if friend mentions fundraising for Idle Orgs, ask, "How does that fit in with the LRH policy called Solve It With Scientology that prohibits fundraising?" <snip>

May I suggest rewording.. "Why is all that money used for posh buildings? - Why is posh buildings needed?" - (It's just that I think Snow White don't know all the arcane scripture and doctrine of CofS..)

 

[Nightingale]

Sorry to hear this!

You mentioned that one of his goals is to be on the production side of movies, so you might ask how being on staff helps further that goal, or what progress does he feel he is making toward that dream.

He's fortunate to have a well-grounded friend like you!

 

[Sam-osa]

The thing is not to come across as antagonistic in any way. Cause the first time he gets sick, someone will be trying to find out who he is connected to, and making him handle or disconnect. The org staffer working with him will most likely steer him in your direction if they are aware of you. That is usually how it goes.

One thing is that when someone first joins staff everyone treats them very well and are quite nice to them etc. But after a bit, he will find that his stats are down, or he didn't feel like coming in over the weekend and people will start to get mad at him and the magic of it all will wear off. Without people love bombing him on how great he is for joining staff, and actually getting mad at him and sending him to ethics, he may come around.

As for what to say when he tells you about how happy he is about CO$ and all that jazz, well that is a toughie. If you show disagreements, then that usually lead down to the path of him not wanting to be connected to you. They instill it in people. Make them think non Scn are bad people.

So I would just be the best friend you can be no matter what. And be honest, honesty is what keeps friendships going. Perhaps you will be able to get him to realize that despite what they tell him, non scn are good and are great people.

do not let him get so detached from the real world. Cause the bubble of Scn seems so great at first. And they tell people how bad and insane the "wog world" is. Believe me I know, I was on staff for a long time and got my mind warped into thinking such nice wogs were bad people.

You could tell him that while you are happy he is happy, you are not thrilled that it comes from something you fundamentally disagree with. Maybe tell him to look at both sides of the story. Perhaps you can get him to see some of the truth online. Who knows.

Done and done,

Sam-osa

 

[thetanic]

May I suggest rewording.. "Why is all that money used for posh buildings? - Why is posh buildings needed?" - (It's just that I think Snow White don't know all the arcane scripture and doctrine of CofS..)

Or: if Ron wanted posh buildings, why wasn't it done a long time ago? Why now?

Trust me, the Saint Hill Size orgs of the 80s weren't posh.

 

[Div6]

Don't worry. . . I will NEVER do that, and if the day comes that he does disconnect from me, I will tell him that I still care about him so so much and that even he disconnects from me, I will never disconnect from him, and I will always be here for him.

I'm still wondering what to say when he excitedly tells me he has signed someone up for staff or that he has just had a major win in auditing. I don't want to collude with him, but I want to remain supportive and not make him feel defensive.

Sounds like he is in the "honeymoon phase".....so just say "thats nice" or "good job" and appear supportive but not "over the moon". Stay level headed. I wouldn't go looking to create antagonism at this juncture by asking pointed questions, or buying a guy fawkes mask. Just realize that what goes up eventually comes down. One thing to be aware of though....he may be prime Sea Org recruit bait. You know...billion year contracts and all.