I'm so happy to have found this group!
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Kookaburra
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Wherever you want to - there's no routing forms here.
Welcome to freedom, skywalker! You will find friends here, and lots of people to work through your Scientlogy experience with. And it's quite a unique experience. Enjoy.
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
Welcome. You're in the right place to start, New Members Members Introductions.
Tell us as much of your scientology story as you're comfortable telling or just tell us whatever you'd like us to know.
Whatever you choose to tell us, remember that it's the internet and whatever you say will become part of the story.
Tell us as much of your scientology story as you're comfortable telling or just tell us whatever you'd like us to know.
Whatever you choose to tell us, remember that it's the internet and whatever you say will become part of the story.
my story
My story is not very exciting or heart breaking, but...
My interest in scn is relatively new, and about a year and a half ago I really started getting involved with my local org...
Before that, I've lived a relatively adventurous hippy lifestyle
After a few cognitions, a prenatal or two, I knew I had to let out some overts (without knowing the tech on overts). Which were handled pretty maliciously
Even with a pretty out-ethics lifestyle, about half my local org's staff wanted me on. I moved the two hour drive away with the intent of moving up the conditions and being posted as local VMIC
Although I briefly acted as, i was never properly posted
In the spirit of this I began working for a local patron and we quickly fell in love
This changed alot of people's attitudes and I lost the local org political battle
I was mid purif when my ethics cycle began.
Note-a reforming hippy on 2500 mg of niacin should probably not be brought in for random ethics cycles
Months went by before it would be handled, with me being labelled pts 2
Of course, this has caused trouble, with my 2d facing expulsion- a perpetual 3rd party to our relationship
As its been a poitical battle, I want to point out that several staff members have stuck their neck out for the new guy and that the door is not shut.
My big problem is not with scn, the tech, or the group- but rather the case of those given responsibility
My story is not very exciting or heart breaking, but...
My interest in scn is relatively new, and about a year and a half ago I really started getting involved with my local org...
Before that, I've lived a relatively adventurous hippy lifestyle
After a few cognitions, a prenatal or two, I knew I had to let out some overts (without knowing the tech on overts). Which were handled pretty maliciously
Even with a pretty out-ethics lifestyle, about half my local org's staff wanted me on. I moved the two hour drive away with the intent of moving up the conditions and being posted as local VMIC
Although I briefly acted as, i was never properly posted
In the spirit of this I began working for a local patron and we quickly fell in love
This changed alot of people's attitudes and I lost the local org political battle
I was mid purif when my ethics cycle began.
Note-a reforming hippy on 2500 mg of niacin should probably not be brought in for random ethics cycles
Months went by before it would be handled, with me being labelled pts 2
Of course, this has caused trouble, with my 2d facing expulsion- a perpetual 3rd party to our relationship
As its been a poitical battle, I want to point out that several staff members have stuck their neck out for the new guy and that the door is not shut.
My big problem is not with scn, the tech, or the group- but rather the case of those given responsibility
Kookaburra
Gold Meritorious Patron
That's what I thought for years, too. Isolated incidents of assinine behavior. Not so. The same shit happens everywhere. It is endemic to Scientology. You may start to see the pattern as you read and read and read. You are lucky you were not in very long.
Infinite
Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Gidday skywalker - what made you decide to look on the internet?
SchwimmelPuckel
Genuine Meatball
So how is it that 'those given responsibility' are unsuited and acting wrongly? - They are 'scientologists', supposedly impeccably sane and morally just from applying the 'tech'.. That same 'tech' that they propose to 'handle' you with...
totally, it seems like the same story with results of varying degrees
but is there no love for standard tech?
It doesn't take a LC to know that 1.1, incapable, b@#&%'s shouldn't be on ethics lines
Even IF noone else is locally elligible
Howsabout this: A very new guy watches as the ethics personnel he was routed to tells a former prison guard(demoted from VMIC) all your overts, in your sight(for starters)
Keep your heads up... I gotta log off
but is there no love for standard tech?
It doesn't take a LC to know that 1.1, incapable, b@#&%'s shouldn't be on ethics lines
Even IF noone else is locally elligible
Howsabout this: A very new guy watches as the ethics personnel he was routed to tells a former prison guard(demoted from VMIC) all your overts, in your sight(for starters)
Keep your heads up... I gotta log off
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SchwimmelPuckel
Genuine Meatball
Well, problem is that scientology seems to be populated with unreasonable assholes. No surprize there.. It's actually policy..
In fact, what you wrote reminded me very precisely about myself when I got caught up in it.. (My story is at the link in my sig-line)
When I was a newbie and a student in a public service org, I was of the belief that Scientology worked.. Ie, that dianetics would improve intelligence and that the scientology movement was the answer to human civilization. That 'we' really would create a just society without crime, insanity and all that.
But it soon became clear to me that Scientology was definitly not that.. It was/is an abusive cult.
And from what you wrote you have already 'tasted' scientology's 'justice system'.. Which Hubbard bragged is the only justice system in this sector of the universe that actually works.
Hmm..
How 'new' are you to all this scientology stuff? - How much did you read?
In fact, what you wrote reminded me very precisely about myself when I got caught up in it.. (My story is at the link in my sig-line)
When I was a newbie and a student in a public service org, I was of the belief that Scientology worked.. Ie, that dianetics would improve intelligence and that the scientology movement was the answer to human civilization. That 'we' really would create a just society without crime, insanity and all that.
But it soon became clear to me that Scientology was definitly not that.. It was/is an abusive cult.
And from what you wrote you have already 'tasted' scientology's 'justice system'.. Which Hubbard bragged is the only justice system in this sector of the universe that actually works.
Hmm..
How 'new' are you to all this scientology stuff? - How much did you read?
Type4_PTS
Diamond Invictus SP
Hi, Welcome Luke!
With regards to the question I quoted..........can you really have "standard tech" as Hubbard envisioned when it's administered by an insane organization? As Kookaburra pointed out, the "isolated instance" that you ran into is not isolated. It's quite standard actually.
The more stories you read here the more you'll see this.
Also, while "standard tech" has helped some individuals, it does not deliver as promised (by Hubbard) and it is not uniformly workable as indicated in KSW #1 and elsewhere. So yes, the CoS has helped some individuals, but also has ruined thousands upon thousands of lives. Don't let yours be one of them.
May the Force be with you!
Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
Question: Is the tendency to believe that they have the right to regulate your love life/private life purely from the individuals involved, or does it come from those individuals applying Scientology itself?
Answer: You are certainly not the first person to have your private life ruined by Scientologists. It has happened for decades, all over the world, by completely different people who never knew each other. The only common denominator of all those people was that they were trying to apply the 100% standard tech, policy and ethics of Scientology.
Think about it.
And welcome to ESMB.
And PS - who told you it was out-ethics to be a hippy?
Tiger Lily
Gold Meritorious Patron
Welcome Skywalker . . . glad you're willing to look at other viewpoints. You're going to be OK 
I totally understand the way you feel. I also had some great experiences early on with auditing, training too -- completely blew me away and I was on board. I just knew that Scientology was the answer.
Here are a few of the traps I fell into though . . .
* Just because some of it works doesn't mean that all of it does.
* Just because someone is "certain" doesn't mean they are right, or wise, or enlightened. . . .they're just sticking to a viewpoint.
* The human mind is capable of "knowing with unshakable certainty" something that in actuality isn't true. (i.e. just because you believe it doesn't make it fact)
*Just because someone has a higher case level than you does not mean you should defer to their judgment. If it doesn't seem right to you, it probably isn't; these human bodies come with pretty good BS meters, but you have to pay attention.
Skywalker -- if Scientology is making you better, that's one thing. But as soon as they turn it around on you and make you wrong/degraded/out-ethics it'll only get worse from there. If you have a legitimate question that they won't answer, or if you are made wrong for asking . . .watch out.
Hope you find what you are looking for! Glad you are here
-TL
I totally understand the way you feel. I also had some great experiences early on with auditing, training too -- completely blew me away and I was on board. I just knew that Scientology was the answer.
Here are a few of the traps I fell into though . . .
* Just because some of it works doesn't mean that all of it does.
* Just because someone is "certain" doesn't mean they are right, or wise, or enlightened. . . .they're just sticking to a viewpoint.
* The human mind is capable of "knowing with unshakable certainty" something that in actuality isn't true. (i.e. just because you believe it doesn't make it fact)
*Just because someone has a higher case level than you does not mean you should defer to their judgment. If it doesn't seem right to you, it probably isn't; these human bodies come with pretty good BS meters, but you have to pay attention.
Skywalker -- if Scientology is making you better, that's one thing. But as soon as they turn it around on you and make you wrong/degraded/out-ethics it'll only get worse from there. If you have a legitimate question that they won't answer, or if you are made wrong for asking . . .watch out.
Hope you find what you are looking for! Glad you are here
-TL
AngeloV
Gold Meritorious Patron
Welcome.
Congratulations. You have experienced scientology standard operating procedures. Ergo, unqualified, untrained staff doing jobs they don't understand. Oh yes, and screwing with your private life for their own gain.
Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
Nov 2nd, baby.
We'll have a Black Man in the White House and Marijuana will be legal in California!
I ask you: Is this the Promised Land, or what?
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
FoTi
Crusader
Welcome Skywalker! Glad you found your way here.
I say.....take your lover and
from whichever church location you are connected to. Don't put up with any kind of abuse.....no one's life ever gets better from abuse. Your life and the life of the one you love will not get better in that place. Don't put up with the trouble that they dish out. And don't ever expect any confidentiality from that group. They will use whatever you say or whatever info they have on you whenever they please. Don't ever tell them anything more about yourself or your life. Just leave. And don't forget to ask for your money back.
There is no loss in leaving. You can still get auditing or training, outside of the church if you want, from a field auditor or field group. Some of the highest trained auditors have left the church and you can receive services from them for a whole lot less money than the church charges and without all the ethics crap and abusive treatment that one receives while involved in the church.
And when you get a chance I would like to hear more of your story and I'm sure others here would as well.
Hope all works out well for you.
I say.....take your lover and
from whichever church location you are connected to. Don't put up with any kind of abuse.....no one's life ever gets better from abuse. Your life and the life of the one you love will not get better in that place. Don't put up with the trouble that they dish out. And don't ever expect any confidentiality from that group. They will use whatever you say or whatever info they have on you whenever they please. Don't ever tell them anything more about yourself or your life. Just leave. And don't forget to ask for your money back.There is no loss in leaving. You can still get auditing or training, outside of the church if you want, from a field auditor or field group. Some of the highest trained auditors have left the church and you can receive services from them for a whole lot less money than the church charges and without all the ethics crap and abusive treatment that one receives while involved in the church.
And when you get a chance I would like to hear more of your story and I'm sure others here would as well.
Hope all works out well for you.
This is NOT OK !!!!
Gold Meritorious Patron
4 newbies in 24 hours?
WOW!!
My suggestions to you all:
Read everything the Armadillo writes.
Click through all the links Paul attaches to his posts.
Read the "Basics" - a good list provided here: http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/index.html
Read this: http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=915&Itemid=92
Read this: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/TR/index.html
When you're done, you'll know for yourself what educated people outside Scientology already know:
Scientology is a mind control cult to extract every possible treasure from its brain-washed victims, aka Scientologists.
I know, I did it for 31 years
WOW!!
My suggestions to you all:
Read everything the Armadillo writes.
Click through all the links Paul attaches to his posts.
Read the "Basics" - a good list provided here: http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/index.html
Read this: http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=915&Itemid=92
Read this: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/TR/index.html
When you're done, you'll know for yourself what educated people outside Scientology already know:
Scientology is a mind control cult to extract every possible treasure from its brain-washed victims, aka Scientologists.
I know, I did it for 31 years
