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In defence of Hubbard

Xenu's Boyfriend

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I think it depends how you see it. Oddly enough, I never cared to read her book and barely noticed it's existence. It was like buried in history. Now I looked at it because the subject has been brought up. To my surprise I realized that it was Paulette Cooper who started all in the first place!

So what the fuck, isn't it?

Now I don't condone what the Church did afterwards which is even more heinous. They went far beyond limits. After all, she didn't murder anybody - it was just a book, certainly.

You see, I am not likely to be offended by anything and I suppose that became obvious. But if somebody would write a book attacking my life's work, insulting and disparaging what I do and it could have consequences like driving me out of business, it's gloves off.

If one starts a war then one is not innocent. That's how I see it and that was basically my point.

And my point is that we live in the United states. And if you don't like what someone writes about you and you feel that it was untrue you sue them for defamation. And if you're wronged like Carol Burnett was with the National Enquirer then you win. That's what the law is for.

You all keep trying to find crafty ways to blame Paulette. But she didn't start a war, she wrote a book. And no matter whether you thought it was badly or well-written, she didn't deserve what she got.

For you to write "If somebody would write a book attacking my life's work, and insulting and disparaging what I do and it could have consequences like driving me out of business, then it's gloves off" is basically the Fair Game policly in different words. What's the difference between "fair game" and "gloves off." Why don't you just admit that you feel what Hubbard did was right?
 

Balthasar

Patron Meritorious
o yeah...

CoS and ron would have no interest in paulette if she doesn't write a book so she started it

but she didn't break any law

and she's doing just fine today, she's far more a well known person than she ever would have been without the GO



but...

i cautioned you about the thin ice at this rink and i cringed when i read your post saying paulette fair-gamed...

that's it...


that's all the dunces will ever say now; they'll just throw that from here on out...


You bet! :)

Btw, could you hold the line for a few days here? I need to focus on my work, have some big things coming up and don't want to be distracted. Also my GF, she looks just too gorgeous! I need a freaking break :)
 

Xenu's Boyfriend

Silver Meritorious Patron
doesn't even need any XB; in case it's slipped your mind let me remind you; dead men need no lawyers...

I'm not judging Hubbard in a court of law. He didn't care about the law anyway, or wouldn't have let his wife go to jail for him. I'm judging him by history and public opinion, which I believe DID matter to him because he wanted to make a significant contribution to society and be admired. And instead when it is over, he will be seen on the level of a war criminal.

And you won't be there to put up posts like this, which try to make an evil man seem "hip" and feed your ego.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
nice to see you back AK...

yeah...

this is a matter of some concern to a christian...


i do think it is unlikely but the course of history may yet prove hubbard to be the false prophet who sets things up for the antichrist

that ain't gonna be elron reincarnated but that might be the thing's claim

"If there is any saintly quality, it is not to forgive. “Forgiveness” is a much lower level action and is rather censorious."

L Ron Hubbard


Exerpt from "What is Greatness
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
Re: Re Paulette Cooper: Relaunch of request for evidence

OK Balthasar, it's time for your medication.

TP


It's time for another shot of...

VISTARIL PUPPY!!

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SCIENTOLOGY: STICK A SYRINGE OF VISTARIL IN IT

…[STRIKE]Ron[/STRIKE] Balthasar, it's time for your booster...​
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
And my point is that we live in the United states. And if you don't like what someone writes about you and you feel that it was untrue you sue them for defamation. And if you're wronged like Carol Burnett was with the National Enquirer then you win. That's what the law is for.

You all keep trying to find crafty ways to blame Paulette. But she didn't start a war, she wrote a book. And no matter whether you thought it was badly or well-written, she didn't deserve what she got.

For you to write "If somebody would write a book attacking my life's work, and insulting and disparaging what I do and it could have consequences like driving me out of business, then it's gloves off" is basically the Fair Game policly in different words. What's the difference between "fair game" and "gloves off." Why don't you just admit that you feel what Hubbard did was right?

That's right! Ron wrote a book and he said it was war right away with all out attacks from the APA and the AMA and commies and nazis and interpol and media and international bankers and merchants of chaos and the middle class...

...so, if we follow this logic, Ron started all this Fair Gaming with a heinous attack writing his book and the whole world, apparently, was merely minding its own business when Ron launched his vicious attack wherein virtually every single sentence transpires contempt and is an offense to any psychiatrist/psychologist/medical doctor/parent.

Ron is not whistle blowing. That is not the same. This was a heinous attack towards a group of people minding their own business.

Ron meticulously planned and carried out his odious attack in a very unfair manner to say the least. His mind was made up in advance. He was going to find what he wanted to find. Maybe he thought, that it wasn't going to sell well. After all, who would care about this psychology cult being one of many back in those days?

While we don't know what was going through his mind, it stands to reason to suspect that his motivations were money driven.

I have nothing against whistle blowing journalism like John Sweeney from BBC. It must be obvious even to the most hateful of psychology that John Sweeney adheres to a significant different style. In no way you could call him under handed. Jon Sweeney is fair and what he is doing is fair journalism.

Tony Ortega from Huffington post comes also to mind. He is even better and must be regarded as a benchmark of objective and critical journalism.

Ron's journalism doesn't even come close to anything we hear from Sweeney or Ortega. Ron has heinously attacked psychology and psychiatry in the first place. Ron was not a "nice" person. Ron's motives were based on greed and hate. Ron, while he later became a "victim", was the initial aggressor.
 

MrNobody

Who needs merits?
You bet! :)

Btw, could you hold the line for a few days here? I need to focus on my work, have some big things coming up and don't want to be distracted. Also my GF, she looks just too gorgeous! I need a freaking break :)

Bwaahahaha! As my father (RIP) would have said (ironically): "Schieß du mal weiter, ich suche inzwischen Verpflegung." which translates to: "You just keep shootin' while I'm off to find some food."

My oh my, what a wimp you are...

and your "pal" isn't much better:

NEIN!!!

DER FUHRER DOES NICHT ALLOW ANY BREAKS!!!

have fun...

I have no problem with people who don't speak German, but if you want to use it, learn at least some of the basics - and if you're too lazy and/or incapable to do that, please go back to raping your own language. Which, BTW, you do badly enough already.
 

Xenu's Boyfriend

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It's taken me a while but I finally figured out what's going on in this thread. I thought that some of you were defending Hubbard, but I realize that's what not what this is about it all. What's really going on is that you're jealous of him.

You want his ability to distort, to confound, to mystify. Because even if the man was bat-shit crazy he still had the power to get people to listen to him. You see yourselves In Hubbard because you see a man who's misunderstood, who's lost his tribe. But you aren't like him at all because you've never had a tribe of your own.

What's really going on here that you're pissed that Hubbard got to Scientology before you did. Defending Hubbard confirms your own specialness. In the end, this thread really has nothing to do with him. If you all really want a church that bad, start your own. Stop hiding behind LRH like cowards.
 
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Bwaahahaha! As my father (RIP) would have said (ironically): "Schieß du mal weiter, ich suche inzwischen Verpflegung." which translates to: "You just keep shootin' while I'm off to find some food."

My oh my, what a wimp you are...

and your "pal" isn't much better:



I have no problem with people who don't speak German, but if you want to use it, learn at least some of the basics - and if you're too lazy and/or incapable to do that, please go back to raping your own language. Which, BTW, you do badly enough already.

what about the knights who say "nicht"?

is your shrubbery in good order?
 
It's taken me a while but I finally figured out what's going on in this thread. I thought that some of you were defending Hubbard, but I realize that's what not what this is about it all. What's really going on is that you're jealous of him. You want his ability to distort, to confound, to mystify. Because even if the man was bat-shit crazy he still had the power to get people to listen to him. You see yourselves in Hubbard because you see a man who's misunderstood, who's lost his tribe. But you all aren't like him at all because you never had a tribe of your own. His creations were turds, but at least they were his.

What's really going on here that you're pissed that Hubbard got to Scientology before you did. Defending Hubbard confirms your own specialness. In the end, this thread really has nothing to do with him. If you all really want a church that bad, start your own. Stop hiding behind LRH like cowards.

every infantryman knows corpses make good enfilade XB
 
I’ve stayed away from this Thread for days and, after this post, I’m outta here no matter what.

Someone called my attention to the asinine issue of whether or not El Ron committed Felony or Misdemeanor Child Abuse on the Apollo. I have not bothered to invest the time to catchup on auto circle jerk of a Thread so if this post is doesn't "fit", I could give a Flying F.

This is a Post I wrote for this thread three or four days ago. I was gonna delete the Word File I had this Post in this morning and got distracted…I’d decided F it…what’s the point…it’s just gonna lead to more inane posturing and keep this Thread alive for no other reason than self-aggrandizement of a couple of members that just want attention, titillate their Ego and are not here to learn, share, dialogue, help or be helped.



I had my monthly lunch today with my very dear friend and Attorney of 25 years who is in his 44th year of practicing Family and Business Law, and has prevailed in over 80% of the Cases he has argued for Plaintiffs/Defendants before a Judge and/or Jury. We talk about everything from Football to Politics to getting along with Women to getting old to WWII (he’s a most impressive buff) to our current life goings on, and everything else in between.

On a whim, I summarized for him the particulars of the Derek Greene Apollo chain locker incident and some of the other Apollo children in chain locker stories I have read, and have had related to me by first hand observers.

He said that the elemental facts would constitute, in all US Jurisdictions Endangerment of a Child, which is classified as Child Abuse and, due to the age of the child, in virtually all US Jurisdictions would be a Felony, and certainly in all US Jurisdictions if the child was injured.

He said that give or take a year or two in most US Jurisdiction, if a child age 8 -17 was Endangered more than once in the summarized fashion, it could constitute a Felony as well, depending upon the particulars and number of incidents; that if any child from 8 to 17 was injured, or suffered damage to their health (physical or mental) during the first and only occurrence, or any occurrence, it would also constitute a Felony; that there are some Jurisdictions where, in the case of a child 8-17 Endangered as the stories describe for several days...depending on other mitigating circumstances...would be a Misdemeanor; that in most of those jurisdictions a "serial" or multiple and repeated commission of the Misdemeanor Act of Child Endangerment within a time span of years, not decades, constitutes a Felony, as would any injury or damage to that child during any commission of the Misdemeanor Act.

He also said that if the person that committed the offense was not a parent, close Relative or Legal Guardian of the child they would invariably be viewed by and dealt with more sternly and harshly by the Judicial System; that he Statutes re: Child Endangerment and Abuse haven’t changed as much as some might think…but, the enforcement of those Statutes by Law Enforcement and Jurists has changed significantly.

He said that he could not comment as to the International Maritime aspects without “hitting the books” but, if he were Counsel for the Defendant in a US Court, he would tell his client to prepare for the worst of outcomes.

We have all broken the Law to a greater to lesser degree more than once. Some of us are the survivors of very harsh parental discipline, perhaps even outright child abuse, horribly bad times and the horror of violence and war.

There is suffering, injustice and cruelty throughout all human history and across the globe every breath we take. Relativism gets Humankind nowhere—just take a good look at the current state of affairs in the CofS. Better yet, just look at the “Legacy” of El Ron…a documented liar, charlatan. Con man and felon (and I’m not talking about Child Abuse) and this Board is littered with the documents, links to the documents and first hand, eye witness accounts of such.

Several years ago I made a Post here on ESMB about my recently departed friend. He had a series of numbers Tattooed on his arm from when he was an orphaned child in a Nazi Concentration Camp. He died a wealthy man, loved by his wife, many children, grandchildren, treasured by his multitude of friends, revered for his many works of a lifetime of generous philanthropy and truly a Divine Testament to the Transcendent Spirit of the Human Heart.

Now, I’m not so histrionic as to make even a remote equivalence of my friend’s story to Scn, the SO, the Apollo, El Ron or Derek Greene.

What I do see here is an equivalence of Relativism, in all its forms, being played out to get “views”.


Peace. :yes:

Face:)

this board of inquiry is back in session...


i hope you all had a restful break


just before we adjourned the board received this submission from plaintiff appealing for felony citation

any further comment?
 

Winston Smith

Flunked Scientology
every infantryman knows corpses make good enfilade XB

Not so sure about that Bird. Dirt is the best protection. That is why they called RE Lee "ole king o spades."
And no infantry wants his buddy filled with lead. BTW, my brother in law just gave me a rifle that belonged to my uncle. My uncle gave it to him years ago because he is exMarine, and didn't think I would be interested in it. Full circle comes round though, and I really like this weapon. It is an original US Springfield Armory Model 1903, 30-03, made about 1932, in beautiful condition. Do not think I will be firing it though, as it is probably worth north of $2K, and should not be subject to wear and tear.
 

MrNobody

Who needs merits?
what about the knights who say "nicht"?

I've never heard of them. Who, where and what are they?

If you mean these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WimNVaJkVXI

They never say "nicht", so your pseudo-argument, based on your pseudo-language skills, fails.

is your shrubbery in good order?

Personally, I don't own any shrubbery, but my landlord is a professional gardener and tree-breeder, who keeps all his plants and trees in very good order, you can trust me on that.

Now, have you managed to scrape up the 10 bucks for a set of cheap headphones yet?
 
Not so sure about that Bird. Dirt is the best protection. That is why they called RE Lee "ole king o spades."
And no infantry wants his buddy filled with lead. BTW, my brother in law just gave me a rifle that belonged to my uncle. My uncle gave it to him years ago because he is exMarine, and didn't think I would be interested in it. Full circle comes round though, and I really like this weapon. It is an original US Springfield Armory Model 1903, 30-03, made about 1932, in beautiful condition. Do not think I will be firing it though, as it is probably worth north of $2K, and should not be subject to wear and tear.

aww...

it can stand a few rounds winnie...


yeah, your entrenching tool is your best friend


but you're moving out and you waste a couple of the other guys in front of you, move up and dive for cover behind what's left of 'em...
 
I've never heard of them. Who, where and what are they?

If you mean these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WimNVaJkVXI

They never say "nicht", so your pseudo-argument, based on your pseudo-language skills, fails.



Personally, I don't own any shrubbery, but my landlord is a professional gardener and tree-breeder, who keeps all his plants and trees in very good order, you can trust me on that.

Now, have you managed to scrape up the 10 bucks for a set of cheap headphones yet?

ahem...

my poetc liscence is in good order

and you can do anything but don't you step on my blue psuedo shoes
 

Winston Smith

Flunked Scientology
"If there is any saintly quality, it is not to forgive. “Forgiveness” is a much lower level action and is rather censorious."

L Ron Hubbard


Exerpt from "What is Greatness"

Yeah, a turd giving advice on saintliness. The closest thing to evil advising on what is good. I am in awe.
 
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