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Discussion in 'Scientology Technology' started by mockingbird, Jul 6, 2014.

  1. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    [h=3]Why boredom is a barrier to study phenomena[/h]
    This thread is an addendum to Insidious Enslavement :Study Technology .

    I found this today and realized why Hubbard had bored students stop and search desperately for "Mus" to "clear ".

    He knew that students who are bored can memorize info they see as unrelated to them and then repeat it back to pass an exam and then forget it - he discusses this at length in the Student Hat course . He called it making a pattern unrelated to you .

    I did not get the significance for how this related to his method of mind control until just now . I found this and realized what he knew and did about it .

    [​IMG] He realized that he could not implant commands hypnotically into a bored mind as it would not have the focused attention he needed for his "study tech " to work . It would end up like regular schools with bored students memorizing things and then passing exams and largely forgetting the materials they studied . He could never control people as he wanted in that manner . But he had a way around this - he labeled all boredom on course as coming from Mus which prompts a mad desperate hunt for them and confusion on what the student is sure they understand but because they are told boredom stems always from Mus they are conflicted over how they both understand and can be bored . the contradiction causes confusion and cognitive dissonance . This increases over time and the student then gets anxiety on top of the dissonance and Hubbard knew a confused and anxious student can to alleviate the confusion take in whatever they are told as hypnotic commands effectively implanting them . It is a simple variation on his con induce a confusion strongly via a lie ( that boredom is caused by the fictional Mu phenomena ) then alleviate the confusion by directing attention off the contradiction and onto a part of Hubbard's doctrine that is studied right after the "MU" is "cleared ".

    It is a simple method mixed with others and the evidence of the hypnosis is also labeled as barriers to study phenomena further confusing the student and inducing more anxiety about study and masking the hypnosis and thought reform . I thought the boredom was just a sign of hypnosis but I was off . The boredom is a sign the hypnosis is not working as attention is not being controlled as Hubbard needs it to so he redirects it in a confusing and anxiety producing manner . This seems far more accurate to me - now that I have learned a little more about boredom and how your mind is closed to manipulation when bored . this is why politicians know they lose an audience if it is bored and lawyers say juries pick the lawyer that is less boring - he can persuade them better .
  2. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    Scientology uses confusion to control people. Scientology is intentionally designed to use confusion for this purpose.

    Scientology techniques are extremely confusing and if you are able to find the right references from Hubbard and look at the techniques with an understanding of the methods he based them on then his intentions are clear.

    let's look at some of the things Hubbard said:

    "If you can produce enough chaos — it says in a textbook on this subject — if you can produce enough chaos you can assume the total management of a psyche — if you can produce enough chaos.
    The way you hypnotize people is to misalign them in their own control and realign them under your control, which necessitates a certain amount of chaos, don’t you see?
    Now, the way to win through all of this is simply to let the guy have his stable data, if they are stable data and if they aren’t, let him have some more that are stable data and he’ll win and you’ll win.
    In other words, you can take any sphere — any sphere which is relatively chaotic and throw almost any stable datum into it with enough of a statement and you will get an alignment of data on that stable datum. You see this clearly?
    The whole society is liable to seize upon some stupid stable datum and thereafter this becomes a custom of some sort and you have the whole field of morals and mores and so forth stretching out before your view."
    Hubbard, L. R. (1955, 23 August). Axiom 53: The Axiom Of The Stable Datum. Academy Lecture Series/Conquest of Chaos, (CofC-2). Lecture conducted from Washington, DC.

    "Another way to hypnotize somebody would be to put him in the middle of chaos, everything going in all directions, everybody shooting at him and suddenly throw him a stable datum, and make it a successful stable datum so that it’s all called off once — the moment he grabs this. And this gives you the entire formula of brainwashing: interrogate, question, lights, pain, upset, accusation, duress, fear, privation and we throw him the stable datum. We say, “If you’ll just adopt ‘Ughism’ which is the most wonderful thing in the world, all this will cease,” and finally the fellow says, “All right, I’m an ‘Ugh.’ ” Immediately you stop torturing him and pat him on the head and he’s all set.Ever after he would believe that the moment he deserted “Ughism,” he would be drowned in chaos and that “Ughism” alone was the thing which kept the world stable; and he would sell his life or his grandmother to keep “Ughism” going. And there we have to do with the whole subject of loyalty, except — except that we haven’t dealt with loyalty at all on an analytical level but the whole subject of loyalty is a reactive subject we have dealt with. "

    Author: Hubbard, L. R.
    Document date: 1955, 21 September, 1955, 21 September
    Document title: Postulates 1,2,3,4 In Processing - New Understanding of Axiom 36, Postulates 1,2,3,4 In Processing - New Understanding of Axiom 36
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  3. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    Upon reading one of this clever enlightening teachings on tech to torture people and then have them surrender...there is one question that comes to my mind:

    How does he know the specific of how those techniques work...It's obvious he either had a practical knowledge or he is a liar...

    According to factual records, his favorite guinea pig was his kid, (nibs) and according to a court ruling he was a psychological liar.

    Dr Hubbard, the humanitaire scientist!
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2019
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  4. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    Hubbard studied hypnosis for decades. He repeatedly said that hypnosis was the basis of Scientology and he referenced confusion in many cases.

    I dug deep into the issue in the blog post Insidious Enslavement: Study Technology. Here are a few quotes:
    Quotes from Ron Hubbard on the Confusion Technique:
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  5. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    We know Scientology indoctrination has materials jam packed with contradictions. One day Hubbard says Dianetics creates Clears but another day says it doesn't, he says Scientology frees people but requires absolute control over people, he says Scientology makes strong families but it breaks up thousands of families routinely. Hubbard contradicts reality and himself and well established facts time after time.
    What happens in an environment of extreme contradictions that is presented as infallible and consistent ?
    I will start with the perspective of a hypnotist:

    I will start with a quote from Mark Tyrrell at the website Uncommon Knowledge:
    Using confusion for hypnosis may sound like a strange idea – even a confusing one! But the notion of pur-posefully and knowingly using confu-sion as a tool to elicit hypnotic re-sponses from the unconscious mind has a good pedigree.
    No less an authority then Dr Milton Erickson, perhaps the greatest hypnotist who ever lived, believed that few things could capture the attention so well as confusion. And he was right. Think about it for a moment.
    If someone whose opinion you respect usually makes sense when they’re talking, then you’ll pay attention to them. When on occasion they seem to be saying something important to you, but the meaning isn’t immediately clear, you’ll assume you need to pay more attention in order to grasp what they are saying.

    And if a point is not logically clear, you’ll focus more and more of your at-tention in the hope of understanding it eventually. And remember, focusing the attention is a key component of hypnosis. We are all dependent on our ability to decipher meaning from what happens to us and from what people say. When people are confused, their awareness turns inwards in a search for understanding – or escape.
    It’s ironic in a way that so many people work on their communication in an attempt to make it more clear, yet the best hypnotists work on making (at least some of) their communication more confusing.If you look at people when they are confused, you’ll see they are highly focused. And strong focus is akin to hypnotic trance. When you can’t quite figure something out, but it seems really important that you do figure it out, you have an activated expectation.
    Focus and expectation are at the heart of the confusional technique. But why should being confused make you more suggestible?Being confused is like drowning in a sea of communication. You will grab onto anything that will keep you afloat. Any words or phrases that you can make sense of in the maelstrom are likely to affect you more strongly than usual – so if these words can be inter-preted as suggestions, this is probably how you will respond to them.
    This is a rule of human nature. If something is scarce we value it more highly and when we get it, we grab hold of it and we use it. When water is scarce it becomes more valuable to us and we don’t waste a drop when we get it. It’s the same with clear meaning if it sud-denly becomes scarce. Consider the confusion elicited when a stage show hypnotist tips back a subject unexpectedly.Confusion is followed by clarity when the unequivocal command to ‘sleep’ is uttered.We like puzzles and riddles because we expect clarity to eventually emerge from the confusion. People watch and read mystery thrillers for the same reason. This confusion as entertainment is an excellent tool for locking people’s attention.

    "If a doctrine is not unintelligible, it has to be vague; and if neither unintelligible nor vague, it has to be unverifiable.”
    ― Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements
    Margaret Singer as a top cult expert in her book Cults In Our Midst described cults and Scientology in particular quite well:
    First a quote that struck me instantly. It reminded me of an analysis of Scientology written by a class XII auditor. She said Hubbard's writings can seem contradictory and paradoxical. That is actually intentional.
    The more complicated and filled with contradictions the new system is and the more difficult it is to learn, the more effective the conversion process will be. ( page 67 Cults In Our Midst )
    That fits Scientology. It's incredibly complicated and embodies contradictions and is almost impossible to learn, certainly in full.
    What is the effect of all this ? Immense confusion, anxiety and cognitive dissonance. Scientology is promoted as consistent but is not consistent at all.
    This prompts cognitive dissonance in Scientologists. What are phenomena associated with cognitive dissonance ? Blankness, confusion, anxiety, reelingness.
    The phenomena Hubbard described as created by his three barriers are well established as fitting two mental states - cognitive dissonance and hypnosis.
    A not there feeling and postural slump are long known as accompanying hypnosis.
    The pattern in Scientology is incredibly - almost idiotically simple - confuse a person by some method even slightly then offer a "stable datum" for that confusion that is accepted. Here is the important part I just now got this exactly - the stable data is ALWAYS meant to be two things - a lie and a method to induce further confusion that leads to accepting another stable datum, over and over. That is the con. The details vary and their effects and deserve tremendous study and dissection but the formula has only a few basic parts always. Confuse, offer solution to confusion give "solution" it is a lie designed to bring more confusion immediately or later. Sometimes there is a delay or apparent relief for a time before the confusion is back. Why ? Because if it does not add up if the truth was not part of the equation - it is all lies. Always was always will be. No truth ever, no workable anything, no miracles. One formula one conman one con. And by confusion I mean the confusion and reelingness and mental blankness associated with cognitive dissonance - it is a distinct feeling of being baffled or beffudled or overwhelmed and can be from contradictory or surprising info, behavior or emotions - ANYTHING that creates or brings back those phenomena even slightly.
    That is his method. In my mind whether it is from his love of hypnosis and it having confusion and repetition in it or rhetoric or somewhere else he arrived at 1) get attention 2) create confusion 3) lie to direct attention while pretending to resolve the confusion( without resolving the confusion as it is his basis for an entry point for exploitation - so he will never give it up ) 4) create another confusion requiring more attention and controlled action to pursue a claimed resolution that never comes 5) get more compliance from the victim and gradual increase via the first four steps over and over in confusion and compliance. And by compliance increasing I mean getting greater and greater degree of how willing and unthinking the victim is. How willing to do more and more extreme things and give more money and adulation and trust and even the victim's life and blind loyalty are they ? Never enough for Hubbard - he wanted gradual building to absolute devotion. With no other priorities even left at all. And the confusion is to grow too as he saw it holding this all in place. Some will look at his study of hypnosis and say the growing confusion acts hypnotically and some would say it creates a condition of hiding the cognitive dissonance and discomfort in the subconscious via trance logic so it gets directed via projection or other psychological defense mechanisms at any who bring the confusion back to the surface but that is not the main point and that is for those who pursue the finest details on this to consider. And the growth of confusion is vital as it leaves those who do realize something is not true or right to often take forever to unstick the lies one by one as they feel odd about the ideas and unsure what is untrue or not. They do not see the pattern and so are emotionally still prey to it and emotion influences thought and behavior.
    In the blog posts 1) Insidious Enslavement: Study Technology and 2) Basic Introduction to Hypnosis in Scientology and 3) Burning Down Hell - How Commands Are Hidden, Varied And Repeated In Scientology To Control You As Hypnotic Implants and 4) Why Hubbard Never Claimed OT Feats And The Rock Bottom Basis Of Scientology I took on laying out the foundation of Scientology relying upon cognitive dissonance and hypnosis.
    I elaborated on the book A Theory Of Cognitive Dissonance by Leon Festinger in a series of blog posts. I combined all eleven of them together in one long post Scientology And Cognitive Dissonance Theory.
  6. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    Here I will examine ideas on this from social psychology and propaganda analysis. I will cite several quotes from the book Age Of Propaganda by social psychologists ( both professors of psychology ) Anthony Pratkanis and Elliot Aronson .
    When confronted with a persuasive communication, especially one that runs counter to important beliefs, we tend, whenever feasible, to invent counterarguments on the spot. This tendency serves us very well: It prevents our opinions from being unduly influenced. This resistance can serve to defeat the propagandist's purpose, especially when the arguments for the cause are weak and specious and therefore easily refuted. ( page 185 Age Of Propaganda )
    Counterarguing is the internal and often automatic process of creating and considering claims AGAINST information being taken in or considered. It happens most often when critical and careful analysis of information without bias occurs or the information is contrary to our own beliefs, identity or behavior. Disabling counterarguing is a primary requirement for a propagandist.
    A mild distraction...can disrupt counterarguing and increase the effectiveness of a persuasive message. ( page 185 Age Of Propaganda )
    Leon Festinger ( famed father of cognitive dissonance theory ) and Nathan Maccoby did a series of experiments on persuasion, counterarguing and distraction.
    They had college fraternity members watch a film and hear arguments against fraternities. They found distracting the audience reduced the audiences ability to counterargue the message. A message they had a natural inclination to disagree with.
    The trick for advertisers is to provide just enough of a distraction to disrupt counterarguing but not so much that it eliminates the reception of the message. ( page 187 Age Of Propaganda)
    This information is crucial in my opinion for understanding how Ron Hubbard developed his methods of persuasion. In Scientology "study technology" indoctrination at the most basic level distraction is quite plentiful. Hubbard gives three entirely false "barriers" to memorize, and be on constant lookout for. And they have a list of over a dozen "phenomena" to spot, and use as guides in thought and behavior.
    That is a lot to keep track of. Intentionally too much to have distracting you while using your undivided attention to "study".
    In Insidious Enslavement: Study Technology ( a post at this blog ) I described in detail how the "phenomena" functions to create and hide a form of persuasion consisting of covert hypnosis AND cognitive restructuring aka thought reform or mind control in the simplest terms.
    That post took elements of hypnosis and basic psychology, particularly cognitive dissonance theory and took on study technology and tried to redefine what Hubbard actually achieved.
    In an experiment social psychologists Richard Petty, Gary Wells, and Timothy Brock distracted students who received messages. They had one simple message in a video and another complex thought out message in another.
    They concluded distraction INCREASED the effectiveness of the simple, weak message ( by disrupting counterarguing ) but DECREASED the influence of the complex message ( because it stopped the ability to think through the arguments for the message ).

    I took on the book Age of Propaganda in a series of blog posts called the Pulling Back The Curtain series which I published in full as Scientology And The Age Of Propaganda.
  7. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    Now I want to examine repetition. Repetition is often called the most basic form of persuasion.

    Next up is repetition , probably Hubbard's OTHER great love in both tech and his own mind : I will once again quote a plain old hypnotist : this time Adam Easton from the online article entitled - Using repetition in Hypnosis and Hypnotherapy : If you look back through history, you will see that repetition has been associated with hypnosis. You are sure to have seen those swinging pendulums and rotating wheels that get used, not to mention the enjoyable repetitive quality of the ocean waves coming in to shore.I love to hear that sound, it is one of the reasons I love to live beside the sea.Some of the more classical hypnotists use expressions such as “you are going deeper, deeper and deeper into hypnosis” when taking people into hypnosis. This is repetitive, though can sometimes be a bit boring.

    The good hypnotist can use words repetitively to induce a relaxed and focused hypnotic state, though ideally giving the same message in a variety of ways is the way to make this principle most effective.You see, when you use certain words in a repetitive fashion, they can have the same effects as that pendulum swinging in front of the eyes or the rotating wheel. The repetition tends to hypnotically focus the prospect on your communication. It holds their attention very effectively.
    Hubbard had a deep fondness for repetition and made it a foundation of Dianetics and Scientology. It is used in training and drilling and auditing.
    Hubbard had students study the same references over and over and over. He had them repeat auditing questions over and over and over, sometimes for hours. He had students repeat the same statements and motions hundreds of times. He had the same ideas presented hundreds and thousands of times in his doctrine.

    When a course consists of three times through the Checksheet, the student goes through three entire Checksheets once, theory, practical and all drills in sequence, completing that, and then goes through the entire next checksheet a second time, then goes through a third checksheet fully a third time. There is no difference in what is studied and how it is studied the second and third times through-or any subsequent times through the Checksheet! It is done fully each time–theory, practical and all drills (including all study drills). HCO POLICY LETTER OF 27 JULY 1969 WHAT IS A CHECKSHEET RON HUBBARD
    Send student back to training” means that the student is sent to Cramming to get straight exactly what is missed and then back to Course and does THE ENTIRE COURSE AGAIN, three times through the checksheet if that is the course (such as the Dianetics Course). No short cuts or skimping is allowed on retraining, as a student who fails to apply one aspect of the course had a misunderstood which would have prevented him from fully grasping and understanding the other material on previous times through the Checksheet. HCO POLICY LETTER OF 27 JULY 1969 WHAT IS A CHECKSHEET RON HUBBARD
    “CHINESE SCHOOL, as very few Westerners have ever seen a Chinese or Arab school in progress, it is very easy for them to miss the scene when one says Chinese School. The term has been used to designate an action where an instructor or officer, with a pointer, stands up before an assembled class and taps a chart or org board and says each part of it. A Chinese class sings out in unison (all together) in response to the teacher. They participate! Chinese School, then, is an action of class vocal participation. It is a very lively, loud affair. It sounds like chanting. It is essentially a system that establishes instant thought responses so that the student, given ‘2 x 2’ thinks instantly ‘4.’ You could teach the laws of listing and nulling, The Auditor's Code, axioms and so on in this way. There are two steps in such teaching. (a) the instructor taps and says what it is, then asks the class what it is and they chant the answer; (b) when the class has learned by being told and repeating, the instructor now taps with the pointer and asks and the class chants the correct answer. Anything can be taught by Chinese Schoolthat is to be learned by rote; (HCO PL 13 May 72)”
    (from ‘Modern Management Technology Defined’* (released 1976))

    Here I will examine ideas on this from social psychology and propaganda analysis. I will cite several quotes from the book Age Of Propaganda by social psychologists ( both professors of psychology ) Anthony Pratkanis and Elliot Aronson.
    If repetitive advertising is so irritating, why do advertisers continue to do it ? ( page 179 Age of Propaganda. )
    In surveys people consistently say repeated ads are annoying, but they have been found to be effective. This has a seeming contradiction that can be understood with close examination. For Ex Scientologists it is important because repetition was used upon them quite heavily in Scientology auditing and indoctrination and the cult environment. They should know how it affects people.
    Robert Zajonc of the University of Michigan has demonstrated in a laboratory setting that, all other things being equal, the more a person is exposed to an item, the more attractive it is. In three separate studies, Zajonc presented nonsense words, Chinese ideographs, and photographs of students taken from a college yearbook. The items were repeated from zero to twenty-five times. The results showed the attraction to the item increased with the number of exposures. Much subsequent research has supported Zajonc's basic finding: More exposure results in increased liking. ( page 181 Age of Propaganda. )

    This concept was stated by many others in many ways before Hubbard started Dianetics and Scientology. In fact several people Hubbard is well known as studying stated this. Here is a very relevant example :
    The power of repetition was well understood by Joseph Goebbels, the head of the Nazi propaganda ministry. His propaganda crusades were based on a simple observation: What the masses term truth is that information which is most familiar. As Goebbels put it:
    The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious. In the long run only he will achieve basic results in influencing public opinion who is able to reduce problems to the simplest terms and who has the courage to keep forever repeating them in this simplified form despite the objections of intellectuals. ( page 182 Age of Propaganda. )
    Now, our disgust with the Nazis aside the point of this is to examine the concepts of repetition and influence and Hubbard's intent in using repetition in his cult doctrine and methodology.
    According to Goebbels, the repetition of simple messages, images, and slogans creates our knowledge of the world, defining what is truth and specifying how we should live our lives .
    A set of recent experiments illustrates Goebbels point-repetition of a piece of information increases its perceived validity. In these experiments, participants were exposed to statements such as 'Leonardo Da Vinci had two wives at the same time"and "Tibet, with 1.2 million square kilometers, occupies one-eight China's total area." Some of the statements were repeated on multiple occasions. The results: The participants in these studies judged the repeated statements to be more "true" than those not repeated. ( page 183 Age of Propaganda. )
    The sited experiments are covered in Journal of Experimental Social Psychology 27,
    Journal of Experimental Psychology: Human Learning and Memory, 5, Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 20, Journal of Verbal Learning and Verbal Behaviour, 16 and American Journal of Psychology, 95.
    For more exact information consult the bibliography of Age of Propaganda.

    Here's a bit more scientific evidence supporting repetition and even that repetition can overcome a person KNOWING the information being presented is false !
    Meanwhile, other research is shedding light on the mechanisms underlying the effects of misinformation. Repeating a false claim increases its believability, giving it an air of what Stephen Colbert famously called “truthiness.”Known as the illusion of truth effect, this phenomenon was first demonstrated in the laboratory by Hasher and her colleagues. On each of three days, subjects listened to plausible-sounding statements and rated each on whether they thought it was true. Half of the statements were in fact true, such as Australia is approximately equal in area to the continental United States, whereas the other half were false, such as Zachary Taylor was the first president to die in office (it was William Henry Harrison). Some of the statements were repeated across days, whereas others were presented only once. The results showed that the average truth rating increased from day to day for the repeated statements, but remained constant for the non-repeated statements, indicating that subjects mistook familiarity for verity.
    More recent research reveals that even knowledge of the truth doesn’t necessarily protect against the illusion of truth. In a 2015 study published in the Journal of Experimental Psychology: General, Lisa Fazio and her colleagues asked subjects to rate a set of statements on how interesting they found them. Following Hasher and colleagues’ procedure, some of the statements were true, whereas others were false.The subjects then rated a second set of statements for truthfulness on a six-point scale, from definitely false to definitely true. Some of the statements were repeated from the first set, whereas others were new. Finally, the subjects took a knowledge test that included questions based on the statements. The results revealed that repetition increased the subjects’ perception of the truthfulness of false statements, even for statements they knew to be false. For example, even if a subject correctly answered Pacific Ocean to the question What is the largest ocean on Earth? on the knowledge test, they still tended to give the false statement The Atlantic Ocean is the largest ocean on Earth a higher truth rating if it was repeated. When a claim was made to feel familiar through repetition, subjects neglected to consult their own knowledge base in rating the claim’s truthfulness.
    From Scientific American
    Cognitive Ability and Vulnerability to Fake News
  8. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    Next I want to take on the past lives that Hubbard encouraged his followers to seek and required auditors to find. Scientology has hundreds of stories about past lives that suggest incidents for people to recall. Scientology has several books and courses and hundreds of taped lectures that Hubbard created.

    This post is referring to the book Subliminal by Leonard Mlodinow.
    Mlodinow wrote, "The world we perceive is an artificially constructed environment whose character and properties are as much a result of unconscious mental processing as they are a product of real data." (Page 50 Subliminal by Leonard Mlodinow. )
    Mlodinow sums up the second chapter (Sense Plus Mind Equals Reality) with, "That brings up a question to which we will return again and again, in contexts ranging from vision to memory to the way we judge the people we meet: If a central function of the unconscious is to fill in the blanks when there is incomplete information in order to construct a useful picture of reality, how much of that picture is accurate ?" (Page 51 Subliminal by Leonard Mlodinow. )
    A question that is of particular relevance to Scientologists and ex Scientologists is how can the unconscious shape, alter or influence memories ? And how can influence of the unseen unconscious be unseen influence of memory ?
    That's the subject of the next chapter.

    In the third chapter (Remembering And Forgetting) of his book Subliminal Leonard Mlodinow takes on the issues of how much the unconscious or subconscious mind affects memory.
    We usually assume our memories are accurate and reliable. We believe everything we recall happened as we remember. It's unfortunately not true.
    I know you may think your memory is good, and I often have myself. But there is a lot of evidence that we can be swayed by factors to be inaccurate, sometimes in the most important situations.

    Many people identified by victims of horrific crimes like rape, sexual abuse, robberies, assaults and other crimes have eventually been exonerated due to DNA evidence despite the victims picking suspects out of lineups and testifying against them with strong certainty.
    Mlodinow wrote, "About seventy-five thousand police lineups take place each year, and statistics on those show that 20 to 25 percent of the time witnesses make a choice that police know is incorrect." (Page 55.Subliminal by Leonard Mlodinow )
    Mlodinow went on to explain how police use fillers meaning people like other police or people imprisoned in local jails to fill the lineup out. They have assumed a person who was in jail for months or years didn't recently commit a crime outside the jail in person. There have been experimental studies that have suggested more than half the time if there is a lineup and the correct person who committed a crime isn't present people will pick someone out of the lineup. Terrifying for numerous reasons.
    Mlodinow wrote, "An organization called the Innocence Project, for example, found that of the hundreds of people exonerated on the basis of postconviction DNA testing, 75 percent had been imprisoned because of inaccurate eyewitness identification."
    This gives us several problems with the criminal justice system. A book called Convicting The Innocent by Brandon Garrett takes this up.
    I personally don't like the fact that a person can be convicted solely on the basis of eyewitness testimony with no other evidence, despite eyewitnesses being far too unreliable alone. The standard of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, particularly for the most serious crimes, to me should require more proof. We are imprisoning innocent people and letting the guilty walk free to commit more crimes, likely by the tens of thousands each year.
    A lot of research and evidence supports the idea that we can have memories that are clear and vivid that we are certain of which are inaccurate or even entirely false. Philip K Dick would love to explore this. He wrote many stories about the nature of memory and reality and himself had serious mental health issues.
    Psychologists thought - as most of us do of - that you had memories saved like files of videos and they could be lost or fade if we couldn't find them but that the vividness and completeness of a memory corresponded with its accuracy. Even many very recently believed this. It seems true to us, we consult certainty for certainty.
    In 1907 Hugo Munsterberg, a German psychologist who studied under Wilhelm Wundt, realized memories could be vivid and inaccurate.
    He had his home burglarized and he examined his home then described it in vivid detail to police in interviews and in court and he got many details completely wrong. He had delivered thousands of lectures relying only on his memory and was stunned by this revelation.
    Munsterberg studied memory and tried something original. He studied a staged event. Professor Franz Von Liszt gave a talk on criminology and afterwards a man stood up and got into an argument with another man, soon a gun was pulled and it was fired and people ran around and finally it was revealed to be staged. Witnesses were in different groups asked to write essays or answer questions or report on these events in another way.
    People reported details that never occurred, they reported events in entirely different orders from reality and ommisions, alterations and additions were counted as errors. Error rates from 26 to 80 percent were reported.
    Staged event became the rage in Europe for a while. People got things wrong consistently. They recalled who did what and who spoke wrong and even who wore or didn't wear a hat.
    From all these experiences Munsterberg formed a theory on memory - we don't remember everything, but try to remember the most important things and when needed for consultation our memories are pulled and combined with our efforts to fill in the blanks and we don't consciously know about the creative editing our unconscious minds perform before or while presenting our memories.
    Mlodinow wrote, "Munsterberg published his ideas about memory in a book that became a best seller, On the Witness Stand: Essays on Psychology and Crime. In it, he elaborated on a number of key concepts that many researchers now believe correspond to the way memory really does work: first, people have a good memory for the general gist of events but a bad one for the details; second, when pressed for unremembered details, even well-intentioned people making a sincere effort to be accurate will inadvertently fill in the gaps by making things up; and third, people will believe the memories they make up."
    These revelations bring us to a crossroads. How do we survive and operate with such poor memories ? Why don't we notice ?
    Well, our memories have evolved to select and focus on the most important things in our estimation. If you have to tell your boss one thing from his boss that is a yes or no answer you understand you need to get that right and not the color of his tie or what he had for lunch.
    Our minds filter for importance and you can have a boring conversation with a person who you feel has no important information for hours on a long bus or train ride and forget everything that they said upon walking away, and be glad to forget it.
    We retain conclusions and not details. We categorize information to help us remember it. Sometimes we remember something in the same category when asked for information, a person similar to another or a description of something instead of the thing or the most vivid idea we associate with a person or thing. When you see someone say "the guy on the show about the thing in the place" they are remembering the ideas they associate with something, sort of.
    In memory research people can be given lists of words to recall later. If you have synonyms of words on the list in questions people will recall those as being present when something close was. They recalled the general idea better than the specific words.
    Frederic Bartlett researched memory and found we edit and re-edit over and over. If asked about incidents from our childhood we surprisingly give different accounts right after an event, a year later, five years later and ten years later. We change parts, leaving out some adding others and adjusting minor details.
    Many, many experiments have verified our changing and incomplete memories. It has been found for us to recall something we have our conscious mind must focus attention on it, a conscious mind only focuses on a few details usually and that guides memory of vision. If it's important enough to look at intently it might be important enough to remember, but if it isn't then that alone can filter out details as irrelevant, even if they are not.
    Two psychologists, Daniel Levin and Dan Simons, filmed an experiment to see what details are noticed by people. They had a person outdoors claim to be a researcher and speak with a student for ten to fifteen seconds, then a pair of men rudely carried a door between the researcher and the student, separating them for about a second, the researcher was replaced with a different man. The new man had a different voice and height but most people didn't notice the replacement. Astounding.
    This phenomena is called change blindness. Sometimes something that isn't the focus of conscious attention can be changed and we don't even notice.
    People that recalled similar words to words actually on a list were certain that the words were there. Mlodinow wrote, "False memories feel no different than memories that are based in reality."
    Uh-oh, in Scientology people are taught certainty is knowledge. But in truth certainty is not accuracy, not even close.
    This is a particular problem for ex Scientologists that are used to always relying on certainty and put their memories front and center as irrefutable proof Scientology works. They recalled the things Hubbard said they would.
    Mlodinow wrote, "As it turns out, planting false memories is not that hard...Memories of events that supposedly happened long ago are particularly easy to implant." (Page 75. Subliminal by Leonard Mlodinow. )
    Psychologists have found merely telling a person an event occurred can prompt the manufacturing of a memory to fit the suggestion. And then recall the memory but not the suggestion that prompted it.
    This has been described as successful 15 to 50 percent of the time. A recent study was done on people that went to Disneyland. They were asked to think about a fake ad for the park with Bugs Bunny. It had suggestions regarding vivid imagery of Bugs and being with him using suggestive language like imagine, he got bigger the closer you got and so on.
    About a quarter of the subjects recalled meeting Bugs and of those 62 percent remembered shaking his hand, 46 percent recalled hugging him.
    Now Warner brothers owns Bugs Bunny and Disneyland owns Mickey Mouse and the two don't visit each other. But people can recall meeting Bugs Bunny when they never did - if provided the suggestion.
    For Scientologists the hundreds of suggestions they're provided are certainly sometimes effective on some people at prompting false memories. In Scientology indoctrination and auditing hundreds of suggestions are given and repetitive questions certainly serve as suggestions in this context. And if those people stay in Scientology and agree that the suggestions are real as memories then to them it appears everyone has these memories, because the people that don't have these memories either leave or keep it to themselves.
    Mlodinow wrote, "Conscious memory and perception accomplish their miracles with a heavy reliance on the unconscious."
    Unfortunately, just as the unconscious is unseen by conscious mind its errors and efforts to manipulate the unconscious to guide or fool the conscious mind are also unseen and when successful unnoticed.
    That's the horrifying vulnerability that makes groups like Scientology capable of deceiving people with false memories and similar techniques.
    Our ignorance about the vulnerability of our minds is the deadly glaring weakness that leaves us gullible about our gullibility. We are sure our memories are so reliable when Scientology manipulates them we mistakenly take that as proof and see the matter as settled. We couldn't be more wrong.

    I think I have given a good start for contrasting the evidence from psychology against the foundation of Scientology which Hubbard had taken from hypnosis. I could add information on the experience of being outside your body in exteriorization in a future post.
  9. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    Regarding how he knew these techniques worked we have several quotes and the fact t that he studied hypnosis, he recommended the book Hypnotism Comes of Age, which I read. It describes the assists and the combination of hypnosis and psychotherapy to create hypnotherapy.

    Structure/Function: 11 December 1952 page 1
    „All processes are based upon the original observation
    that an individual could have implanted in him by hypnosis
    and removed at will any obsession or aberration,
    compulsion, desire, inhibition which you could think of – by hypnosis.“
    Hypnosis, then, was the wild variable;
    sometimes it worked,
    sometimes it didn’t work.
    It worked on some people; it didn’t work on other people.
    Any time you have a variable that is as wild as this, study it.
    Well, I had a high certainty already –
    I had survival. Got that in 1938 or before that. And uh…Ron Hubbard

    From the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course lectures we have a couple extremely relevant quotes. The tapes are listed by their number:
    Of course, we go on a tradition "if you learn anything about man that will help him,
    you help him with it." ...
    "If you learn anything about man that you can manipulate him
    You're going to manipulate men,
    you've got to change their definitions
    and change their goals
    and enslave them and do this and do that.
    Now, brainwashing simply is the trick of mixing up certainties.
    All you have to do if you want to know and develop the entire field
    of brainwashing as developed by Pavlov,
    is simply to make somebody ..... into a confused or hypnotic state in which he can believe anything. Ron Hubbard
    Complimenting this is a quote from Philadelphia Doctorate Course lecture tape numbered 39 from 1952 - known as the games maker tape or lecture

    "Now here’s a process that has to do with the making of games, and all this process adds up to, is you just address to those factors which I just gave you, oh, run and change postulates and any creative process that you can think of and shift postulates around, you get a whole process." End quote

    THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them.
    Lecture: "Off the Time Track" (June 1952) as quoted in Journal of Scientology issue 18-G, reprinted in Technical Volumes of Dianetics & Scientology Vol. 1, p. 418. Ron Hubbard
    Hubbard plainly defined "postulates" broadly as decisions, conclusions and this can be called beliefs. Changing postulates in a person is changing their beliefs.
    So, he called brainwashing the trick of mixing up certainties. Putting a person into a confused state in which he would believe anything was how he phrased it. He said if you can manipulate men you WILL, not leaving any exceptions for himself ! And he said you will change their definitions and their goals which were their certainties and you will enslave them !
    He said he started with hypnosis which could "implant or remove any inhibition, compulsion, aberration or desire you could think of BUT it has the wild variable that it works on the some people but not others and it works sometimes but not others." So, he was trying to see who it worked on and when and likely how to get it to work as often as possible on as many people as possible. He wanted people in Scientology to shift around the certainties, the postulates, the decisions and beliefs of people to change their definitions and goals, to definitions he wanted them to believe and goals that benefited Hubbard.This all aligns with the "game" he wanted.
    His private communication to himself and to his wife Polly make it clear that his ideas regarding "you" using psychology, hypnosis and brainwashing and lying to control people as he described in Scientology doctrine was really him describing his own intention. The evidence is overwhelming.
  10. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    Numerous accounts by his contemporaries include noting that Hubbard would expertly hypnotize people at parties and there are several accounts of him using hypnosis in creating auditing prior to writing Dianetics in 1950.
    Additionally, we have many quotes from Hubbard himself confirming he had a wealth of information regarding hypnosis. Now, to be clear, I am NOT saying Hubbard understood it perfectly or that the practice works exactly as he thought, but many people who are proficient in activities do not understand the underlying reasons why they are successful or capable.
    The point is that despite protests from some people to the contrary it can be established that Hubbard had a significant education in hypnosis, despite his lying.

    Supporting Evidence:
    I am going to start with several quotes from Never Believe A Hypnotist, an article by Jon Atack. I recommend anyone who wants to understand Hubbard or Scientology read the article in full. It is available free online.
    As well as showing genuine insight into hypnosis, Hubbard's statements are a fascinating maze of contradiction and misdirection. It soon becomes apparent that Hubbard is both eager to show off his knowledge and determined to hide something vital: that Dianetics is a form of hypnosis.
    Prolonged and deliberate study of Hubbard's teachings makes it impossible to escape the conclusion that Dianetics is a form of hypnosis, differing only from that subject in the words used to describe the procedures. Hubbard's own Policy Letter "Propaganda by Redefinition of Words” (PR series 12) gives some understanding of the sigificance of redefinition (something Hubbard was frequently prone to, "reasonable” and "postulate”, for instance). The power of redefinition is also described in part in Robert Lifton MD's "thought reform model” under the heading "loaded language”, or indeed in Korzybski's General Semantics ("the map is not the territory; the word is not the thing itself”). Hubbard of course paid homage to Korzybski in both Science of Survival and 8-8008, and borrowed the misunderstood word from him (Hubbard also redefined Korzybski's various forms of isness). Korzybski's notions of the power of language figure not only as a basis for Dianetics, but also for Rational Emotive Therapy and Cognitve Therapy. Never underestimate the power of words! They are fundamental to manipulation and are the stuff of which positive suggestions or engrams are made.
    Hubbard's research:
    According to his own accounts, Hubbard's research consisted of hypnotism and drug hypnotism (see below), clairvoyance, automatic writing, automatic speaking (AstSF, May 1950, or EoS, p.56; see also R&D1, p.106) and faith healing (R&D1, p.186). He also had an interest in Freud's ideas prior to the introduction of free association, and Dianetic technique has many points in common with Freud's early attempts at therapy (Atack, p.108f; Freud, 1909). Hubbard also drew upon Korzybski's General Semantics, Wiener's Cybernetics and psychiatric research into psychodynamic therapy - including abreaction - and drug hypnotism. Hubbard gave no mention of scientific experiments or controls, and no case histories or follow-up studies have ever been made available.
    Hubbard was also knowledgable about the history of hypnotism. He posited an early date for its discovery: "The art of hypnotism is very old, tracing back some thousands of years and existing today in Asia as it has existed, apparently from the dawn of time.” (DMSMH, p.12). "From India it long ago filtered to Greece and Rome and it has come to us via Anton Mesmer” (ibid, p.252). Hubbard also referred to the works of Bernheim and Charcot (R&D1, p.33; Charcot is listed as one of the men without whom "the creation and construction of Dianetics would not have been possible” in the acknowledgments page in SOS).
    In his second published article, "Dianetics the Evolution of a Science”, Hubbard described a hypnotic session and said that it had taken him nine years to understand its importance (EoS, p.23). Hubbard described a number of hypnotic experiments - indeed, they constitute almost the entire of his recorded experiments. Unfortunately, case notes have never been available.
    L. Ron Hubbard was sixteen when he made his first brief trip to Asia with his mother, in 1927. He made a second brief trip with both parents, and returning to the United States in 1929 (Atack, pp.53-57). He was later to claim that he had studied hypnotism in Asia (EoS, p.22; DMSMH p.252 [also DMSMH p.95, however, Hubbard's claim to have visited India is spurious. See Atack and Miller]). Therefore, Hubbard claimed to have been a practitioner of hypnotism for more than twenty years prior to the release of Dianetics: MSMH.
    Hubbard flatly contradicted his statement that hypnotism is not used by saying that if a preclear drops into a "hypnotic trance ... the motto is: Work with him where he lies. If he drops into a half hypnotized state just by closing his eyes, work him there.” (R&D 1, p.336). Hubbard also asserted that "The mechanism by which the mind is able to cause physical disability or predispose the body to an illness and perpetuate sickness is, in its basic cause, a very simple thing ... A series of simple tests can be made on drugged or hypnotic patients which will prove clinically in other laboratories this basic mechanism. A series of these tests were run in the formulation of dianetics with uniform success.” (DMSMH, pp.93f).

    In a lecture given three months after the publication ofDianetics: MSMH, Hubbard attributed a major discovery - prenatal memory - to a session in which he placed a volunteer in "amnesia trance” (R&D3, p.118). In the same lecture, he also credited his use of "deintensification” - where a patient goes through the memory of an incident repeatedly - to his study of hypnotism.Having denied that Dianetics came out of hypnotic research (DMSMH, p.58, cf p.201), Hubbard proceeded to regale his reader with tales of his hypnotic work. Many general statements were made about his work with hypnotism. External evidence supports Hubbard's practice of hypnotism (e.g., Miller, pp.140-141), and even taking into account Hubbard's propensity for exaggeration, it is evident that he had considerable experience as a hypnotist. Don Rogers, one of Hubbard's few close associates during the year preceding publication of the first book, has said that Hubbard used "deep trance” until he was commissioned to write the book in January 1950. He abandoned the practice because he thought it was unpopular (Rogers correspondence to Atack).
    In his second article, Hubbard admitted "I knew hypnotism was, more or less, a fundamental” (EoS, p.22) and said that "hypnosis was examined” (ibid, p.23; see also EoS, p.96; R&D1, p.183). Hubbard also claimed to have used "hypno-analysis” (EoS, p.24) - psychoanalysis practised on a hypnotised subject - and recommended a book on the subject (Hypnotism Comes of Age, R&D2, p.12).
    In an early lecture, Hubbard said that he had "worked a case in amnesia trance” (R&D1, p.183). He advised against amnesia trance, but added "it has been subjected to much research” and said "if other methods cannot be used ... amnesia trance can be employed” (DMSMH, p.385; see also R&D1, p.183).
    Narcosynthesis and abreactive therapy:During the Second World War, both U.S. and British psychiatrists were experimenting with a form of therapy which induced hypnotic states through the use of drugs. Dr. William Sargant has left a description of his work on soldiers with "battle neurosis” or "combat fatigue” in his Battle for the Mind (1957). Drs. Roy Grinker and John Spiegel published an account of their work in 1945, under the title Men under Stress. The barbiturates and sodium pentothal were used in this work, which also relied upon Pavlov's discovery of conditioned responses and Freud's concepts of the unconscious mind and repression. Grinker and Spiegel called their work "narcosynthesis”, because it used narcotic sedation to assist the patient to rebuild or "synthesize” the personality.
    As with Dianetics, in narcosynthesis the patient was required to "abreact” or re-experience traumatic events. Hubbard was familiar with this work: not only did he recommend a book which describes it (Wolfe and Rosenthal, Hypnotism Comes of Age, R&D2, p.12), but he also referred to narcosynthesis directly: "One will find regression if one treats soldiers who have been unlucky enough to undergo narcosynthesis ... He was merely sick before, but now he is crazy ... Anything which is touched in narcosynthesis is apt to be restimulated permanently.” (R&D1, p.333f). Hubbard even suggested the headline "Man released from Veteran's Hospital on Tuesday kills wife on Thursday!” (ibid, p.334).It seems eminently possible that Hubbard encountered narcosynthesis, or at least discussion of it, during his stay at Oakland Naval Hospital in 1945. Hubbard claimed to have treated schizophrenics with narcosynthesis (DMSMH, p.123f), as well as doing further drug hypnotism on cases which had already been "cured” by narcosynthesis (EoS, p.24). In a lecture given a few weeks after publication of this article, Hubbard warned against the practice of narcosynthesis (R&D1, p.123; see also DMSMH, p.390 drug hypnotism is "dianetically illegal”). However, a few days after this lecture, Hubbard said "it is allowable ... to produce a more acessible condition by amnesia trance, and even by drugs” (R&D1, p.184). In one of his first lectures, Hubbard had said "Narcosynthesis and other drug therapies have some slight use in Dianetics” (R&D1, p.8; see also R&D1, p.48).
    Hubbard's research not only included decades of "straight hypnosis”, he also gave the idea that his work with narcosynthesis was extensive: "[tests] have been made on people who could be hypnotized and people who could not but were drugged. They brought forth valuable data for dianetics.” (DMSMH, p.57); "one day, a multi-valent patient, under drugs, went back to his birth” (DMSMH, p.126).
    Of amnesia or deep trance, Hubbard said "This method has many things wrong with it. The entire duration of treatment is very long and difficult. The patient ordinarily speaks very slowly, is unable to contact [traumatic] incidents, his computational ability on his own life is very poor, and he will be uncomfortable during almost the entire period that you are working with him” (R&D1, p.183; see also DMSMH, p.385). Hypnotism also "carries with it transference” and "enormous operator responsibility” (DMSMH, p.201).
    The importance of hypnotism:
    Hubbard did his initial research using hypnotism. The major discoveries of Dianetics were made in hypnotic sessions. Preclears may already be in a "trance” state, or may accidentally go into trance as a consequence of auditing procedures. In hypnotism "we have the visible factors of how the reactive mind operates.” (DMSMH, p.63). As already cited, the auditor "must be prepared to use hypnotism, he must know how it works, what he should do to make it function, how to regress a person in hypnotism and so on” (R&D 1, p.307).
    References:NB: page numbers vary in later editions, and some material may have been censored from these editions.
    Astounding Science Fiction, May 1950.
    Atack, Jon - A Piece of Blue Sky, Lyle Stuart books, 1990.
    Freud, Sigmund - the Clarke Lectures in Two Short Accounts of Psycho-Analysis, Penguin books.
    Hubbard, L.Ronald, Dianetics - the Modern Science of Mental Health, Hermitage House, 1950; later editions until the 1985 Bridge edition have identical page numbering.
    - Dianetics the Evolution of a Science, 1950; AOSH DK Publications, Denmark, 1972.
    - Dianetics the Original Thesis, 1951; Scientology Publications Organization, Denmark, 1970.
    - Hubbard Dianetics Auditor Course, Bridge, L.A., 1988
    - Hubbard Dianetics Seminar, Bridge, L.A., 1988
    - Research and Discovery Series:
    volume 1, lectures June 1950; Bridge, 1980.
    volume 2, lectures July - August 1950; Bridge, 1982.
    volume 3, lectures 10 August-8 September, 1950; Bridge, 1982.
    volume 4, lectures 23 September-15 November 1950; Bridge, 1982 .
    - Science of Survival, 1951; Hubbard College of Scientology, 1967.
    - The Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology, 1979.
    Miller, Russell - Bare-Faced Messiah, Henry Holt, NY or 1987.
    Wolfe, Bernard and Rosenthal, Raymond - Hypnotism Comes of Age, Blue Ribbon Books, NY, 1949.
    Young, L.E. - 25 Lessons in Hypnotism, Padell Book Co, NY, 1944.
    abbreviations used in the text:
    AstSF - Astounding Science Fiction, May 1950
    DMSMH - Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health
    DTOT - Dianetics the Original Thesis
    EoS - Dianetics the Evolution of a Science
    R&D - Research and Discovery, followed by volume number
    SOS - Science of Survival, followed by volume I or II
    Jon Atack went on with hundreds of examples of statements by Hubbard regarding hypnosis. I have examined hypnosis as it is not presented by professional hypnotists and in many videos and articles and several books.
    Hubbard despite his contradictory statements and merging of ideas from hypnosis with other plagiarized ideas clearly took many of the ideas almost unchanged from hypnosis.
  11. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    Quote Originally Posted by FORREST J. ACKERMAN about the 29 April 1948
    "Well, 45 years ago there was established a Los Angeles Science Fiction Society. I'm a charter member. I was at the very first meeting and I've been to 1500 meetings off and on in between.
    It was a period when Ron came around our club. He was living in Los Angeles. And what I particularly remember about his appearances there was an evening of spectacular hypnostism when hypnotized just about every kid in the club.
    I remember he gave one young man a... what would you call it... In any event, the boy was convinced that cupped in his hand, he held a little tiny Kangaroo that was hopping around and I remember he came over and showed the Kangaroo to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by
    Dec 1952 Philadelphia Doctorate Course
    There’s nothing every very weird about hypnotism.
    It is the easiest thing in the world. ..
    „All right, now you stare at the candle, stare at the candle.
    Now uh… you know that concentration of that sort can make you for… sort of sleepy and so on.You stare at the candle until you feel that.“
    And he’ll say, „All right.“ See he’s agreed that concentration on that can make him sleep.
    All right, … let’s look at this candle a little… a little closer and
    now let’s feel… let’s feel the… the… the body becoming more and more relaxed. And, he agrees to feel that the body is becoming more and more relaxed.
    That’s all there is to that. He… he just agrees little by little,
    the next thing you know the hypnotist says, „
    Now your eyes will close.“ And his eyes go bonk. Of course, he agreed to that.
    Now, the hypnotist says, „
    Now your right hand will rise.“ And with some slight amazement, this fellow watches his right hand come up.
    And he says, „Wooo, I’m hypnotized.“ So he just gives it up then,
    and the hypnotist now says, „
    Now you see that kangaroo on your right knee?“
    „Yes.“ He sees the kangaroo on his right knee.
    Now take it on your right knee.
    “Now let’s see it jump over to the left knee.
    Now you got that? All right,
    now let’s put… let’s put a… uh… a bonnet on this kangaroo. Got the bonnet on it?
    Now have the kangaroo sing a song
    .“ And the hypnotized person is very happy to sit there and watch this.
  12. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    Hypnotist Volney Mathison (inventor of the E meter) explicitly described in his book Creative Image Therapy hypnosis being used over and over for hours as a covert way to mentally enslave someone.

    Here is the quote:

    At this point, nearing the end of this book, the writer reluctantly presents a negative warning. There is extant a pseudo-scientific system of something or other wherein the patient is required to create and duplicate arbitrary systems of mental images that are autocratically selected for him by the operator. Worse still, the patient is forced monotonously to perform interminably-duplicated trivial physical motions, such as touching a certain exact spot on the table, over and over and over, sometimes for hours.

    Bluntly, this is a powerful and effective technique for covertly inducing hypnosis. By the duplicated command the subject is caused endlessly to duplicate mental image patterns wherein he is OBEYING the operator, explicitly, time after time after time. The subject is sooner or later reduced to such a zombie-like state that he will thereafter obey the operator's every other covert or indirect command. These covert and indirect commands are presented to the subject in the form of take-it-or-leave-it "suggestions"--to buy every book, take every expensive "course", attend every convention or conference staged by the operator. The victim at long last finds himself penniless, in debt, and much more ill and troubled than ever before.

    The seizure of the intense attention of an intended victim by monotonously duplicated little acts is the technique of the rattlesnake as he fascinates a bird. The snake sways back and forth, holding the victim's gaze, causing it to look from side to side, keeping its attention captive by this duplicative technique of fascination. A "fatigue point" eventually is reached. The snake's prey is thereby immobilized, psychically and physically--and devoured.
  13. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    Philadelphia Doctorate Course lecture tape numbered 39 from 1952 - 1953 known as the games maker tape or lecture
    Now the caste system of game consist of this: The Maker of Games, he has no rules, he runs by no rules.
    The player of the games, rules known but he obeys them. And the assistant players merely obey the players. And the pieces obey rules as dictated by players, but they don’t know the rules.
    And then, what do you know. There’s broken pieces, and they aren’t even in the game, but they’re still in the game.
    And they’re in a terrible maybe: "Am I in the game or am I not in the game?“ Now, "How to make a piece. This is how to make a piece: First, deny there is a game. Second, hide the rules from them. Three, give them all penalties and no wins. Four, remove all goals“ –
    all goals. "Enforce them… their playing. Inhibit their enjoying. Make them look like but forbid their being like players“
    – look like God but uh… you can’t be God.
    "To make a piece continue to be a piece, permit it to associate only with pieces and deny the existence of players.“
    Never let the pieces find out that there are players. Now out of these you’re going to get games.
    Now here’s a process that has to do with the making of games, and all this process adds up to, is you just address to those factors which I just gave you, oh, run and change postulates and any creative process that you can think of and shift postulates around, you get a whole process. End quote
  14. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation


    Are you related to Andy Nolch by any chance MB?

    We all got conned/tricked/exploited and deceived ... not hypnotised or anything clever like that, just boringly DUPED.

    You are giving tubs hubbard way too much credit, he did not hypnotise us and the current cofs is incapable of handling it's shocking PR let alone continuing a mass hypnotism.

    Lots of people (very much including you) got squeezed.


    Get over it (and while you're at it, get over yourself too).

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  15. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Don't forget what he did to his wives.

    I'm going to guess there are also some past girlfriends he tried it on.

    I'm also remembering some items about how he would treat his Commodore's Messenger kids, screaming about every real or imagined "outness", putting the kids in total terror over the idea of screwing up.
  16. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    The fact that he studied the subject and used self hypnosis intensively (affirmations ) , combined to black magic interest, let me believe he probably used it on people , since he would need guinea pigs to conduct his own experiments.

    I'll check if Bent Corydon mentions of anything related to this topic.
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  17. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    I don't think there has ever been any doubt that hubbard would have tried to use anything and everything on as many people as he could when he was starting work on his cult following. What bothers me about these constant conversations is the way it all gets taken so seriously. If we're not careful it will become the new reality truth here and used as an excuse for why we were were caught up in his insane cult ... which (to my way of thinking) means we have learned nothing and are being led (again) by the noisiest, wordiest and most persistent among us.

    If it can be proved by someone with no skin in the game that hubbard hypnotised us (and presumably is continuing to hypnotise many from target two) he deserves to be posthumously awarded the highest award available, we should all feel very proud of ourselves for being involved and I'll be the first to applaud him.

    Tub-tek could then be utilised worldwide to bring about world peace, he could clear the planet from the grave (he certainly didn't clear much of it while he was here) ... though apparently it only works on the intelligent and something else will need to be done to control the more slow-witted among us (no biggie though, the intelligent will think of something).

    Oooooh ... POTUS can take the credit if he wants to, for being the one that finally recognised the incredible mastery of hubbard (we'll all know it was really Arnie but we'll be hypnotised again by then and will agree to anything) and he can proudly declare that all those beauty queens that wanted world peace motivated him to arrange for a bit of research to be done.

    World domination will finally be possible, there'll be no need for walls ... the buggers can be hypnotised instead.

    Every year (March 13th) there could be a day of hypnotic celebration in his honour.

    Tubs day.

    I can hardly wait.

  18. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    jeez sis,

    The stuff was good!

  19. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    I get your point,

    I know some people, over the years, tried to convinced people it was only a matter of hypnosis and or mind manipulation. We know there was time we could make decisions and we either did good (LEAVE) or wrong ( going blind). We know it was also a matter of ego inflating, group praise and love bomb, and a lot of dysfunctional thinking and behavior for which we were responsible. Most of us worked our way out of the mindfuck in not victimizing ourselve.

    But, like me, there are people who still are interested in this matter of mind manipulation as being part of our journey in the cult without asserting it was THE why.

    I never ( I am not aware you did) had been rpfed...but those guys really really were submitted to intensive mind manipulation pgm and sleep deprivation for successgul enforcement..I clearly recall those zombies in Clearwater...this was a reality for some people.

    Although we all can see it from a different viewpoint.
  20. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    Trubs my lovely bitter apostate friend,
    Please let me acknowledge you
    ( no fuck... hypnosis here)

    Trubs, you haven't been hypnotized
    Trubs, you haven't been hypnotized
    Trubs, you haven't been hypnotized



    (Don't hurt lotus)
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