INT Base and Jonestown

[HelluvaHoax!]

If they can find all them BT's I imagine they'd be able to find Target Two as well.

LOL.

But, what is the "tech" to find Ron?

At the very least, what is process "command"?

"Follow the Yellow Brick Bridge?"

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

My briefing was from OSA, so ... yeah, tell me OSA wasn't GO by another name.

ANSWER: Actors in plays and other staged drama sometimes have costume changes.

 

[Free Being Me]

It wouldn't be pitched as a "mass suicide" but rather a chance to join Ron on Target Two; and SOME would jump at the chance to volunteer if the 'opportunity' were offered.

I don't expect this to happen. But given the craziness of DM and how deep the cult programming goes, it IS a possibility imo.

Along the right manipulative lines (and desperation) I could see DM ordering selected $cio's close to him who have knowledge of his op's programs to "end cycle" when the cult crumbles. Dead men tell no tales.

 

[Type4_PTS]

But, what is the "tech" to find Ron?

At the very least, what is process "command"?

See, that is the great thing about this secret (up until now) Rundown.

No process command necessary.

You get 10,000 mgs of Visteril injected into your ass and than you just wait. Ron will come find YOU.

 

[Lermanet_com]

My briefing was from OSA, so ... yeah, tell me OSA wasn't GO by another name.

Gary Weber told me he spent days sitting at a desk at GO in CW, cutting off the L Ron Hubbard name from the bottom of GO Orders when he was in clearwater... LINK

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Gary Weber told me he spent days sitting at a desk at GO in CW, cutting off the L Ron Hubbard name from the bottom of GO Orders when he was in clearwater... LINK

It's the tech when subpoenaed for incriminating documents.

It makes them disappear! Almost as if they were so perfectly duplicated that the dox as-ised! But slightly different. . .

As-Isn't Tech.

 

[clamicide]

Gary Weber told me he spent days sitting at a desk at GO in CW, cutting off the L Ron Hubbard name from the bottom of GO Orders when he was in clearwater... LINK

yeah... I'd audited ex-GO, and had to do some sort of affidavit from the DSA to do so (hint, hint... nudge nudge wink... ) not to disclose, and bonded for a ton of money. And, I had been heavily recruited by OSA.... yeah, GO members I audited pretty much had heavy auditing where they had to deny that LRH was part it from what I read in their folders. There was a ton of work in ex-GO folders that was aimed at making sure these ex-GO felt that it wasn't Hub who was the base of it... and that the stuff that Hub was the base of, was valid.

It was so many years down the line, that I didn't think it would mean anything, but before I got transferred one pc who was ex-GO, the prior auditor warned me... and !@#$, it was just insane. BUT, since I had been tried to be recruited by OSA, it wasn't a shock.

yep, I was that much under the spell.

 

[Purple Rain]

LOL

Isn't Hubbard's and Miscavige's fanatical reign over cult members a de facto mass-scale 3rd Dynamic "Walk In", where they have taken (control of) anybody's body who is a Scientologist?

Kind of a joke, but actually……..

If you can just get the mind they throw in the body for free.

 

[Purple Rain]

See, that is the great thing about this secret (up until now) Rundown.

No process command necessary.

You get 10,000 mgs of Visteril injected into your ass and than you just wait. Ron will come find YOU.

Exactly! The whole process of Scientology is "What would Ron do?"

 

[La La Lou Lou]

I was in $cn in the late 60's and 70's... got to OTIII (u-huh)...
Yes it was delusional. yes it didn't make sense, but when I was last
in Clearwater.. (2002?) for a picket. I asked an old guy I saw wearing a boiler suit, on Cleveland Street, whom I assumed was in the sea org, the following question, his answer troubled me a great deal, I like to believe this answer wouldn't have been possible in the 70's..which also begs the question what the hell are they planning now, ten years after...

Question: What plans are you making for retirement in your old age?

Answer: (without a pause): I plan on doing a walk in, and taking over someone else's body when I get to OT...

I presume a 'walk in' is aggressively taking over someone else's body, not very nice, it should be against the law.

When I was a good scientologist I planned, after death, on hanging around a hospital to find an abandoned body. I had death and rebirth all sorted out, I would avoid going to the light and I would go to my favourite spot, a sculpture in a park by the sea, and then to local hospital and pick up a still warm, dropped body, not a child, but young adult. I knew that they were there because Hubbard talked about people who'd had strokes that had huge personality changes, and didn't remember their families. I really sincerely believed I would be able to do that. I would have been ready if ordered to drink koolaid. If I had been pissed off at all with Hubbard it was that he didn't write more on how to get a ready made body.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

ANSWER: Actors in plays and other staged drama sometimes have costume changes.

Costume change is exactly how I once saw dropping your body and picking up a new one, just a change in appearance. Crying over the loss of a dead friend, partner or relative was humanoid sentimentality at it's most extreme. If someone had gathered a group of people together with the aim of doing a 'walk in' on the top politicians in the planet, I would have volunteered. Am I really the same person?

 

[Enthetan]

Yeah, a Scientologist is entitled to take anybody's body as long as the Scientologist is OT. Otherwise, it's totally out-ethics and frowned upon.

It follows logically from acceptance of the idea of "the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics". It was the "greatest good" to reg away a public's life savings, retirement account, and kids college fund if it got the stats up. It was the "greatest good" to make Sea Org members work under horrible conditions for their whole lives, and then flush them like used toilet paper when they were no longer physically able to produce.

Once you accept that Scn is "the only way out" for all mankind, that if Scn fails then all mankind is forever doomed to an unacceptable existence, but that if Scn succeeds it will produce eternal paradise, then ANYTHING is allowed. A reward of infinite value justifies an arbitrarily-large price. It was the logic that led to a mass murder spree accounting for around 100 million dead in the 20th Century from the followers of Marx.

Read "The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements "

 

[Enthetan]

Honestly, I can't really see anything within the 'scripture' *cough* that would encourage mass-suicide, unless Davey issues an edict, but there have been enough people who have offed themselves because they felt they'd have a better chance going OT next lifetime, that it's an uncomfortable place.

You should research "End Cycle" C/S, starting with this ESMB thread. Lots of stuff on the Web.

 

[Idle Morgue]

Has anyone else been in one of those briefings where you were told that Jonestown was actually a total operation to discredit alternative religions? I was told that, seriously, do you think that someone would kill themselves like that?, and the whole Jonestown thing was a concerted effort to make other 'non-mainstream' beliefs, such as Scientology forbidden. I was briefed that the whole of Jonestown was a psych effort to make alternative religions seem dangerous.

But, what's just kind of strange, is that when Hubs died, they actually did the briefing that he causatively departed his body... his body was in perfect shape, but he was off to target 2 or whatever. So, yeah, he killed himself per what we were told....

Honestly, I can't really see anything within the 'scripture' *cough* that would encourage mass-suicide, unless Davey issues an edict, but there have been enough people who have offed themselves because they felt they'd have a better chance going OT next lifetime, that it's an uncomfortable place.

Scientology makes the World dangerous with constant propaganda! Just take a seasoned, breast fed Scientologist and put them in the wog world - they will "key in" and want to go back to the prison and will! They are "told" Scientology is safe and the world a dangerous place and it is repeated over and over and they believe it...meanwhile inside the Org:

THIS IS SCIENTOLOGY!

suicides
early deaths
cancer and illness
divorce
accidents
shattered families
financial ruin
no expansion
empty buildings
the next "release" that will cure mankind...always waiting...always a new release
foreclosures
staff leaving
public left
SP Declares
Witch Hunts
The Psychs are out to get us!
Enemies of the Church
REGGES fleecing everyone including staff
Degraded beings
PTS to the wog world
PTS to owning a home, having a car, food, clothes and money - PTS to the middleclass

The Scientologists are very mis emotional - they can't talk, can't think, can't move without an order - they are the "robots" LRH talks about in his PTS/SP tech....bat shit crazy and don't even know it.

It is a spiral down whilst thinking they are doing something for mankind. Many more will leave - the cult of Scientology is due for a revolution and the demise is eminent!

 

[In present time]

I know this has been posted before but it does have a place in this thread. I think that whoever put this together did a good job showing the similarities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQxSuC9hqhY

Thanks for that Sindy. I hadn't seen it before. Sums it up well.

 

[iHateDuplicity]

I've been thinking about the OP of this thread a lot since yesterday and here are my thoughts on it:

I think that a mass suicide/killing spree would be a form of Final Solution for Dwarf Midget should it come down to the point where he was facing actual police/FBI vans rolling up to Int Base at Hemet to take him away. Prior to something like that happening (a real and true End Cycle to his reign of terror), I don't see any reason for something like this to happen and obviously, anyone at the Int Base or otherwise in the Scilon world would laugh in your face if you suggested anything like this could ever happen.

Just like I'm sure the Jonestown folks would have laughed at you if you had suggested anything like what actually happened would go down there.

Now this actually says a lot, because it basically says that:

Yes, this is a cult in the very worse possible definition of the word;
Yes, this apathetic/catatonic mindset does exist at Int Base; and
Yes, these people would actually drink the Kool-Aid when it comes right down to it.​

These are not happy thoughts.

 

[Type4_PTS]

I know this has been posted before but it does have a place in this thread. I think that whoever put this together did a good job showing the similarities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQxSuC9hqhY

Thanks for the video on the Scientology People's Temple.

 

[Commander Birdsong]

I used to think the comparision was silly.
I got into $cn. in the 70's and my "wog" friends wore my ears out about it.
But while watching a youtube on another thread tonight, I came across this.

The red flags are...well, red.
I see a LOT of similarities to INT base and Jonestown.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-jHTZc5hGHE&desktop_uri=/watch?v=-jHTZc5hGHE

Go about halfway in, to really get the specifics of how the two compare.
I will type them up tomorrow.
Wow, The "history" channel is weird.
However, there were some keypoints that stand out like a sore thumb at a Flag graduation.

far too many differences however...

at jonestown the climax was rehearsed...

such a project could never make it as far as a rehearsal at INT

 

[Axiom142]

I used to think the comparison was silly as well.

When I was in the Sea Org, I thought I was pretty committed, but I couldn’t imagine I would ever ‘drop the body’ just because my CO said so.

But the more I have read about the state of The Cult, particularly the Sea Org and DM’s temper tantrums, the more I see it as a possibility. I don’t think most Sea Ogres would willingly do this, but I can honestly see The Dwarfenfuhrer initiating his own Final Solution and taking revenge on those he believed failed him. The lawsuits are coming thick and fast now, he has been named in a least one major court battle and more are bound to follow, law-enforcement have raided Narconons and uncovered fraudulent dealings, major events are being cancelled – it’s all going to hell in a small, handled receptacle used for transporting objects. I don’t think it would take much more to push him over the edge, particularly if he is cornered and has no way out.

Like Arnie, I remember one incident which I once thought was pretty awesome, but now find rather chilling. A Sea Org colleague and I were speculating about stuff one night, and he told me – with a perfectly straight face – that the practical part of OTXV was to drop the body.

We now know that this level will probably never be released and besides he couldn’t possibly know what was on that level, but that isn’t the point. The point is, this very intelligent university graduate seriously believed that Scientology could get him to the point where he wouldn’t need a body and so could discard it at will. If the process for complete exteriorization didn’t work, would he help it along by jumping off a cliff?

He has been in the SO for nearly 30 years I shudder to think what sort of mental state he is in now.

And let’s not forget that The Cult through it smear-rag, ‘Freedom’, claimed that Jonestown was perpetrated by the CIA in order to discredit that nice upstanding religious leader, Rev. Jones.

Axiom142

 

[Commander Birdsong]

Scientology makes the World dangerous with constant propaganda! Just take a seasoned, breast fed Scientologist and put them in the wog world - they will "key in" and want to go back to the prison and will! They are "told" Scientology is safe and the world a dangerous place and it is repeated over and over and they believe it...meanwhile inside the Org:

THIS IS SCIENTOLOGY!

suicides
early deaths
cancer and illness
divorce
accidents
shattered families
financial ruin
no expansion
empty buildings
the next "release" that will cure mankind...always waiting...always a new release
foreclosures
staff leaving
public left
SP Declares
Witch Hunts
The Psychs are out to get us!
Enemies of the Church
REGGES fleecing everyone including staff
Degraded beings
PTS to the wog world
PTS to owning a home, having a car, food, clothes and money - PTS to the middleclass

The Scientologists are very mis emotional - they can't talk, can't think, can't move without an order - they are the "robots" LRH talks about in his PTS/SP tech....bat shit crazy and don't even know it.

It is a spiral down whilst thinking they are doing something for mankind. Many more will leave - the cult of Scientology is due for a revolution and the demise is eminent!

jesus...

back in the day active people could and did speak openly and well

but...

actually i'm surprised DM managed to hold on for a quarter of a century before a CoS crisis of this magnitude arose

not too shabby dave...