INT Base and Jonestown

[In present time]

I know this has been posted before but it does have a place in this thread. I think that whoever put this together did a good job showing the similarities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQxSuC9hqhY

The other thing is, when you walk down the sidewalk outside ASHO, Scientologists make a gun with their fingers and a shooting noise as they aim it at your head. The message is clear and decidedly chilling. You know what they want to do to you - what they would if only they could get away with it. They want you to know.

whaaaa, really?

 

[Udarnik]

That is a good assumption, however, we know Hubbard was into black magic, satanism if you will.. his own son said

"Penthouse: Do you think they would stop at murder?


Hubbard: Many wouldn't. The one super-secret sentence that Scientology is built on is: "Do as thou wilt." That is the whole of the law. It also comes from the black magic, from Alistair Crowley."

And Wasserman was also a satanist...

Could be. I'm not saying I have any real insight into what went on in the man's head, nor do I ever want to have any. Down that path madness lies, sure as God made little green apples.

I'm just going with Dr. Occam, here.

But he was one messed up dude.

 

[Lermanet_com]

Hubbard seemed to frequently delight in layers of meaning - often contradictory.

THAT is also a symptom of psychopathy...

 

[Lermanet_com]

I'm just going with Dr. Occam, here.

So was I....

 

[degraded being]

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If there was a final showdown I guess they would see their next lifetime opportunities to save the planet as a payoff for needing to kill the Psychiatrists' armed henchmen on the doorstep waiting to take them to jail.

However, Scientology, OSA, LRH, have been very aware of how to get what they want without getting the law onto them. Moreso than other cults AFAIK.
That is partly why they have done so much shit and made a lot of money at it for so long. So, if they have a bit more time on their side, they may be able to have the NOI sufficiently set up to be the ones who have to
have that final showdown.

NOI already see themselves as an alienated group, already theo-politicised.
I wonder if they are going to look like the mega-versions of scientologists when they have had comparable years-in, OT levels, time as dedicated staff, etc. If they turn nasty....................????

 

[Purple Rain]

So was I....

Well, between shelling Mexico and aborting the antichrist, he was a bit of a disaster in both worlds.

 

[Purple Rain]

whaaaa, really?

Yes, when I was out protesting with Tory, but I've also seen it on protest vids.

 

[Idle Morgue]

Well, I am sure of one thing!! The INT Base would charge you for your "kool-aide"

 

[Kookaburra]

I was on the Int base for a very short period in 1985. Even back then it was a bit of a shocker the amount of control they had over your personal life. And that was when you could have your own car and you could come and go within reason (to your berthing or to Happy Valley or to Hemet) but not to LA. They did have fences around the base and security guards and the first thing you had to do when you arrived was sign a waiver allowing them to read all your mail. It was explained that this was necessary for security. I balked on that, but then I looked at the incredible rigamarole I had gone through to get there and I just couldn't refuse. So I signed rather than make a fuss.

While there I found out that if someone was in ethics trouble they would be restricted to base. RED FLAG!!!!

I found it very bizarre that such tight control was run on peoples lives. This was supposedly the top echelon of Scientology. The people that were the creme de la creme who would rise to the top of the management structure as planetary clearing was made a reality by their efforts and know how. These superior beings were virtually imprisoned and their every move monitored as if they were kindergarteners. They were obviously not trusted to even go to the corner store without being monitored. WTF!!!

That was how things were 28 years ago. Per reports, since then, things have gotten much much worse.

I think it is entirely possible that there will be a mass murder there. The place is heavily armed, but only a few people at the very top have access to the guns. And the security guards. The run of the mill SO member is supposed to be trained in weaponry per LRH but is not. With all the crap that has gone on there, for anyone to still be there they must be so conditioned that they would accept anything. They would follow any order. They would not question it. And if they did have any doubts, they absolutely would not tell anyone on or off the base due to dire consequences that they would immediately experience. So the group is under tight enough control to become the victims of mass murder suicide.

So is Miscavige crazy enough to do it? I reckon so. He delights in causing people pain. He is violent. He is a control freak like I have never seen the likes of. He shows no sign of having a conscience. He considers himself superior to everyone. He thinks he is above the law.

If Miscavige was backed into a corner, he would blame his underlings and take them with him.

 

[JustSheila]

I was on the Int base for a very short period in 1985. Even back then it was a bit of a shocker the amount of control they had over your personal life. ...
That was how things were 28 years ago. Per reports, since then, things have gotten much much worse.

I think it is entirely possible that there will be a mass murder there. The place is heavily armed, but only a few people at the very top have access to the guns. And the security guards. The run of the mill SO member is supposed to be trained in weaponry per LRH but is not. With all the crap that has gone on there, for anyone to still be there they must be so conditioned that they would accept anything. They would follow any order. They would not question it. And if they did have any doubts, they absolutely would not tell anyone on or off the base due to dire consequences that they would immediately experience. So the group is under tight enough control to become the victims of mass murder suicide.

So is Miscavige crazy enough to do it? I reckon so. He delights in causing people pain. He is violent. He is a control freak like I have never seen the likes of. He shows no sign of having a conscience. He considers himself superior to everyone. He thinks he is above the law.

If Miscavige was backed into a corner, he would blame his underlings and take them with him.

Wow, Kooka. Just Fuckin' hell.

I agree. Int Base can easily be another Jonestown.

How easy would it be?

Just add another level with a sci-fi story and lots of secrecy. Joining L Ron at Target 2. Now drink this.

The Oh Tees and SO there are just a hair breadth away from it. It's real. Their religion is more important than their life, their liberty, their family, their finances. L Ron Hubbard dying didn't make them think twice. The control and violence are out the roof. Scarey stuff. I wish I knew how to reach them and help them.

 

[degraded being]

For those not familiar with military jargon:


/frag/

military slang

noun

noun: frag; plural noun: frags


1.
a hand grenade.


verb

verb: frag; 3rd person present: frags; past tense: fragged; past participle: fragged; gerund or present participle: fragging

1.

deliberately kill (an unpopular senior officer), typically with a hand grenade.



Used during Vietnam War as a self-protective device against FNG COs by troops, especially USMC. Or so I was told.

Thank you. Without having read prior contextualising posts I thought Udanik was chanelling Capt. BS.

( "...With hi cap mags and a cowed target set, spray and pray may work just as well as aimed shots. The question is, will security go with Davie or frag him?...." )

 

[Udarnik]

Thank you. Without having read prior contextualising posts I thought Udanik was chanelling Capt. BS.

( "...With hi cap mags and a cowed target set, spray and pray may work just as well as aimed shots. The question is, will security go with Davie or frag him?...." )

Sorry, spent a huge chunk of my formative years working for the DoD, plus I'm a Southern gun owner, I just naturally drop into the slang. Translated into English:

With high capacity magazines (30 rounds per magazine for a Ruger Mini 14) while shooting at people who are afraid, unarmed and already cowed by him, Dave may not need to carefully aim his shots. He would just need to spray an area with bullets and pray that many of them hit. The question is, while he is doing that, will Security join in, stay out of it, or suddenly grow a conscience and kill DM in the act?

 

[Churchill]

At the risk of becoming the recipient of the derision and ridicule it is likely to inspire, I will share with you all my nightmare scenario:


Miscavige is both crazy enough and rich enough to secure a WMD. North Korea, an impoverished Nuclear power is arguably crazy and desperate enough to sell him one, for something in the neighborhood of a Billion Dollars. Let's call it the "Billion Dollar Contract", which, coincidentally is an estimate of S.O. Reserves.

Having already secured the "Tech" in a series of impregnable vaults (Trementina, etc.) what do you suppose would prevent a madman (with nuclear resources) like Miscavige from engaging in a nuclear-style Jonestown event?

1. Scientology is a psycho-political cult, whose cosmology employs liberal use of "H bombs" (the Xenu story of OT 3).

2. Today, the cult has spent millions in order to protect itself, via the "Tech" from nuclear armageddon.

3. Miscavige has the means with which to get his hands on a Nuke.

4. If Miscavige concluded that it was "all over" for him and the cult, might he not also conclude that his (insane) 4th dynamic objectives could be somehow furthered by "wiping the slate clean, and starting over from scratch?"

Folks, I admit this is very thin. Highly unlikely.

But it IS possible. Please, no LOLs. Miscavige is no stranger to violence, remember?

 

[degraded being]

Sorry, spent a huge chunk of my formative years working for the DoD, plus I'm a Southern gun owner, I just naturally drop into the slang. Translated into English:

With high capacity magazines (30 rounds per magazine for a Ruger Mini 14) while shooting at people who are afraid, unarmed and already cowed by him, Dave may not need to carefully aim his shots. He would just need to spray an area with bullets and pray that many of them hit. The question is, while he is doing that, will Security join in, stay out of it, or suddenly grow a conscience and kill DM in the act?

Slang and unfamiliar terms for physical objects and processes does not bother me really. As long as I know it's that and not mental stuff.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Yes, but Hubbard liked it because it's used by Marines to refer to their Battalion (or rarely Company) Commander and Sailors to refer to their ship's Captain, be he a LT CMDR, CMDR or CPT (or higher on a Flag vessel). As a Lieutenant j.g., he never earned the right to be referred to as that, he'd have been referred to as "the El Tee" or something like that. So just as he stole the formal rank of Commodore, he stole the informal rank title that went with it. I don't think he had enough history at the top of his mind or thought about it hard enough to go all the way back to the Assasin's Cult. It was pure stolen valor.

Re; being called the old man, he did speak of the assassin's cult on at least one, if not more BC tapes that I heard. Perhaps he was aware of it, or perhaps it was just something the crew took to calling him, perhaps affectionately, or knowing how grumpy old men can get, sarcastically.

G

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Spray and pray. New one for me, though Hubbard liked using a shotgun approach sometimes - in a c/sing approach to handling a bogged pc. Assess every list possible on the pc to uncover the bug etc. The expanded grades are an example of this. Instead of running the one key process of a grade, the expanded grade had one run multiple processes on a particular subject. That may have been his benign use of it, fair game through many assorted attacks on a critic was his malevolent use of the concept.

Mimsey

 

[Lermanet_com]

At the risk of becoming the recipient of the derision and ridicule it is likely to inspire, I will share with you all my nightmare scenario:


Miscavige is both crazy enough and rich enough to secure a WMD. North Korea, an impoverished Nuclear power is arguably crazy and desperate enough to sell him one, for something in the neighborhood of a Billion Dollars. Let's call it the "Billion Dollar Contract", which, coincidentally is an estimate of S.O. Reserves.

Having already secured the "Tech" in a series of impregnable vaults (Trementina, etc.) what do you suppose would prevent a madman (with nuclear resources) like Miscavige from engaging in a nuclear-style Jonestown event?

1. Scientology is a psycho-political cult, whose cosmology employs liberal use of "H bombs" (the Xenu story of OT 3).

2. Today, the cult has spent millions in order to protect itself, via the "Tech" from nuclear armageddon.

3. Miscavige has the means with which to get his hands on a Nuke.

4. If Miscavige concluded that it was "all over" for him and the cult, might he not also conclude that his (insane) 4th dynamic objectives could be somehow furthered by "wiping the slate clean, and starting over from scratch?"

Folks, I admit this is very thin. Highly unlikely.

But it IS possible. Please, no LOLs. Miscavige is no stranger to violence, remember?

He would be merely "duplicating source" if he did...

"My father asked me to steal an H-Bomb"
(Hydrogen Nuclear Bomb) Ron DeWolfe, under penalty of perjury, 1982 Clearwater Hearings

 

[Deeana]

" I wish I knew how to reach them and help them."

Realistically, this just may not be possible. It would likely be better to turn energies toward education in order to prevent new members and eradication so there is nothing for the gullible and/or unknowing to join.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

Re; being called the old man, he did speak of the assassin's cult on at least one, if not more BC tapes that I heard. Perhaps he was aware of it, or perhaps it was just something the crew took to calling him, perhaps affectionately, or knowing how grumpy old men can get, sarcastically.

G

I don't think it's that sinister, don't forget Hubbard spent years in London.

In colloquial English usage 'old man' is your dad or boss or husband, it's an affectionate chummy term for for someone with authority, but slightly undermining that authority. A nuance he may well have not realised. As in the songs ''My old man said follow the van', or ''my old man's a dustman'' and even in Joni Mitchell's 'My old man'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sIYCBGtVFU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEmPWd4TuiU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upWL0OFE0AE

 

[Lermanet_com]

" I wish I knew how to reach them and help them."

Realistically, this just may not be possible. It would likely be better to turn energies toward education in order to prevent new members and eradication so there is nothing for the gullible and/or unknowing to join.

In the 90' s I would mail out postcards addressed to various staff on their "org board" positions at various orgs...

One that said:

"How long would I have to run a subliminal electric current through your body while telling you things that you wanted to hear before you believed that I held the secrets of the universe? Read LERMANET.COM Exposing the CON"

They complained to US Postal Inspectors that this was "hate mail" but, did not include a copy of the actual mailing. When I had a couple of US Postal Inspectors show up at my home in Virginia, I pulled out a file folder that contained copies of every mailing I'd sent out to scientologists... and said here is the one I mailed out around the date of the complaint... (handing them the one above) and here is a folder of all mailings sent out to date...

They both looked through the folder and said.. "This doesn't look like hate mail..."

I said, you are correct, it it isn't... They hate me.

Arnie Lerma

""That these defendants were willing to frame their critics to the point of giving false testimony under oath against them and having them arrested and indicted speaks legions for their disdain for the rule of law. "- Judge Richey in the sentencing of Mary Sue Hubbard and ten other Scientologists in October 1978 -- US District Court, Washington DC.