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Caroline

Patron Meritorious
THAT is also a symptom of psychopathy...

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Yes, "Covert Hostility." Good point, Arnie. That photo of Hubbard may also show a phenomenon known as "duping delight."

skylar said:
duping delight

(Noun) Duping delight is a term coined by Dr. Paul Eckman. He says, “duping delight is the pleasure we get over having someone else in our control and being able to manipulate them”.

The psychopath does feel powerful when he lies. The lies are his source of power to manipulate another person’s reality. I propose however, that the delight a psychopath feels is from playing the game because his boredom is temporarily relieved. The game always involves lies and deception in the pursuit of some objective and it focuses him like a predator focused on its prey. This focus gives him pleasure. It’s the thrill of the chase that makes him feel alive.

Dr. Eckman’s research centered on face and body language. It’s my understanding that his description of “duper’s delight” was related to his observation of a fleeting smile, a “micro-expression” that appeared on some liar’s faces as they were attempting to manipulate another with lies. To Dr. Eckman, this expression seemed inappropriate for the situation.

http://180rule.com/definiciones/duping-delight/

More examples: http://www.psychopathsamongus.com/dupingdelight.html

Dr. Ekman on "Duping Delight": http://www.paulekman.com/uncategorized/duping-delight/

This image comes across as another example of Hubbard's "duping delight," this time over his "Deadly Quartet" dissemination formula:

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Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
I don't think it's that sinister, don't forget Hubbard spent years in London.

In colloquial English usage 'old man' is your dad or boss or husband, it's an affectionate chummy term for for someone with authority, but slightly undermining that authority. A nuance he may well have not realised. As in the songs ''My old man said follow the van', or ''my old man's a dustman'' and even in Joni Mitchell's 'My old man'


It very well could be an innocent use of the term, but Hubbard was definitely aware of the Assassins.
(emphasis added - bold/underlined)

HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, SussexHCO BULLETIN OF MAY 11, AD13

Central Orgs,
Franchise
ROUTINE 3

HEAVEN

Well, I have been to Heaven.

And I've found that Scientologists have been to Heaven.

And that everybody has evidently been to Heaven.

The Goals Problem Mass implants, which are the apparent basic source of aberration and human travail, which begin with the goal To Forget, were cynically done "in Heaven".

For a long time, people have been cross with me for my lack of co-operation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God and Christ. I have never said I didn't disbelieve in a Big Thetan but there was certainly something very corny about Heaven et al. Now I have to apologize. There was a Heaven. Not too unlike, in cruel betrayal, the heaven of the Assassins in the 12th Century who, like everyone else, dramatized the whole track implants - if a bit more so.

<snip>


http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/heaven.htm


I snipped an interesting part of the Wikipedia entry on the Assassins:

It is, however, unknown how Hassan-i-Sabbah was able to get his "Fida'i" to perform with such fervent loyalty. One theory, possibly the best known but also the most criticized, comes from the reports of Marco Polo during his travels to the Orient. He recounts a story he heard, of the "Old Man of the Mountain" (Sabbah) who would drug his young followers with hashish, lead them to a "paradise", and then claim that only he had the means to allow for their return. Perceiving that Sabbah was either a prophet or magician, his disciples, believing that only he could return them to "paradise", were fully committed to his cause and willing to carry out his every request.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassins

:hmm:



Note: I believe the correct definition of the word "Fida'i" in this context is:
a member of an Ismaili order of assassins known for their willingness to offer up their lives in order to carry out delegated assignments of murdering appointed victims.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fida'i
 
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La La Lou Lou

Crusader
It very well could be an innocent use of the term, but Hubbard was definitely aware of the Assassins.




I snipped an interesting part of the Wikipedia entry on the Assassins:





Note: I believe the correct definition of the word "Fida'i" in this context is:

In Hebrew Sabah is granddad.

The image I get from his text as the old man is of his R6 god. The Santa beard and long white hair, Gandolf or Dumbledor. The totally trustable sweet old man who actually is very nasty and not on your side at all, but you'll never find out till it's too late..
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Note: I believe the correct definition of the word "Fida'i" in this context is:
a member of an Ismaili order of assassins known for their willingness to offer up their lives in order to carry out delegated assignments of murdering appointed victims.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fida'i
Ismailli is a Shiite Muslim sect. The practice turns up to this day in the suicide bombers.

You see, in Islam, the only guaranteed way to get into Paradise is to die fighting against the infidels. This is why the 9/11 hijackers spent their last day at strip clubs and such -- they could do ANYTHING they wanted, secure in the knowledge that they would be in Paradise at the completion of their mission.
 

Udarnik

Gold Meritorious Patron
It very well could be an innocent use of the term, but Hubbard was definitely aware of the Assassins.
(emphasis added - bold/underlined)



I snipped an interesting part of the Wikipedia entry on the Assassins:





Note: I believe the correct definition of the word "Fida'i" in this context is:

I think I'm coming around to Arnie's point of view. He probably liked the fact he could cloak his real, Occult meaning in military jargon.
 

Caroline

Patron Meritorious
Hubbard talked about the Assassins and "The Old Man of the Mountain" in a 1957 Advanced Clinical Course lecture, "Control:"

Hubbard said:
As I said, I'm leveling with you. [:old:] This is an ACC. We can tell you all sorts of interesting ways to produce a tremendous number of effects. I could give you some formulas that would be so complex on the subject of control and how it controlled and to what you appealed and which you did when and where, that you would feel vastly edified. And you would wonder why in the name of common sense your preclears didn't respond really well: Their habit patterns changed, and you got a little shift on their APAs. Their IQ had a tendency to shift a little bit. But actually, for some reason or other...

We could set ourselves up as a black-cowled priesthood. [:nervous:] The only reason we would do that is because we were fresh out of total game[:omg:]; we were in a position where we hated everybody, cared nothing for anything, totally out of communication in all directions. Yes, we could set up as a black-cowled priesthood with a tremendous number of mysteries, and boy, could we deal off the bottom of the mental deck!

We can brainwash a man in twenty seconds. What more do you want? [:questions:] That's enough technique to conquer the world.

I point out to you, the entire Arab world was enslaved by a man whose name, mispronounced, still exists in our language. We call people who kill people "assassins." And Hashshashin, the Old Man of the Mountain, back there in the thirteenth century, operated a part of Mohammedanism which controlled within an eyelash, by terror, by fear -- a very bad example of control (you get the idea); preventive action -- India, Asia Minor and most of the Mediterranean Basin.

The group that did that controlled that great part of the civilized world for about three hundred years. And all they knew how to do was to tell somebody he was in paradise, and convince him that in order to come back he had to go out and kill somebody.

They'd get a young man, give him hashish, bring him in to a garden -- beautiful black-eyed houris and rivers of milk and honey -- and had him all fixed up. And they'd say, "Now, here you are. You're in paradise, and we've brought you to paradise. In order to get back here you'll have to get yourself killed, because we're kicking you out now." Well, they dragged him in anaten, see? They knock him out again, shove him out into the world, and he reappears, and he knows he's got to get himself killed in a particular fashion. He's got to get himself killed by being the assassin of some notable.

The Old Man of the Mountain, meanwhile, has just written notable relatives a letter and said, "In the next reign we want several more camel-loads of gold per month than we've been getting. Because at such and such a date, why, the Sultan is going to kick the bucket, folks."

Well, it's impossible. They'd surround him with guards in all directions. This young man, wanting to be killed so he could go back to paradise, would walk through the guards and kill the Sultan dead! And of course, they'd chop him to bits and he would go off to some between-lives area. That was beside the point. The Old Man of the Mountain, the Assassins of the Middle East, did control the civilized world.

It doesn't take very much to control somebody, then, does it? I mean, if this kind of a sorry idea, and this stupidity, and this littleness of knowledge was adequate to control that much of the world, then control itself must be rather easy to engage upon.

Control by fear is only a Tone Scale manifestation, and it's to make people afraid so they won't do something. It's control by restrained action. You got the idea? It's a species of stop only.

So I ask you this question: Were the Assassins ever really controlling anybody? They had change and start to fool with yet, didn't they? And they didn't start and change much of anything. The world might as well have been ruled by some North American Indian for all the difference it made in the shades of history. They did nothing. A very ignoble effort. And yet they did know something about the mind. See, they did know this one thing: That the mind could be prevented from acting by being made afraid of being killed. They became a priesthood.

We know so much more than that, from beginning to end, that there's just no chalking it up and there's no comparison between what we're doing and what they were doing. But it shows you which directions controls can go. If we know this much more than that, then we know enough not to do it. Do you see that?

Therefore, an auditor auditing a preclear, who knows fully the totality of control and can exert it, then never stops with some sort of a subterfuge; some substitute action which is way downscale, which is only in the direction of a partial patch-up, or something of the sort. He carries on through, and he'll do the whole job. But an auditor who's unwilling to control, stops somewhere on the time track like the Assassins. See, they just knew a little bit about control, they didn't do it well, and they could just kill people, and shove them around therefore.

An auditor, therefore, who is not willing to exert a total control, who doesn't know how to exert a total control of a preclear, does not actually make them well. You want to know why some auditors make preclears well and some auditors don't. Well, it's all wrapped up in the field of control. It's all wrapped up in the field of control.

You have to be willing to make a motion over there; you have to be willing to be the thing which you are ordering about. And it's just start, change and stop. It's murderous. It's murderous because the bank is liable to cave in on you, entering upon this simplicity.

Be alive, really communicate, really control. It's very simple. All you have to do is do it.

Hubbard, L. Ron. (1957, 14 January). Control. Sixteenth American Advanced Clinical Course, (16ACC-09). Lecture conducted from Washington, DC.
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
I think I'm coming around to Arnie's point of view. He probably liked the fact he could cloak his real, Occult meaning in military jargon.

Well, Hubbard was the king of the plausibly deniable. And to this day, I have to fight the urge to tell the acceptable truth and go for the plausible deniability - to be truly and brutally honest with myself and my own motivations - because that whole "shore story" mentality is so ingrained into you as a Scientologist and you are so used to promoting the public relations line while enforcing the contradictory policy within the organisation and simultaneously believing both layers as the spoken word of incontrovertible truth that it is second nature. Or maybe it's just me that still struggles with that.
 

clamicide

Gold Meritorious Patron
I think I'm coming around to Arnie's point of view. He probably liked the fact he could cloak his real, Occult meaning in military jargon.

Yeah... I recall him referring to the assassin cult in several lectures. I recall listening to a tape one time and wondering what his fascination was, because I'd heard him bring it up several times.
 
Yes to the above, he may very have known it, but was it an appellation he applied to himself, or was it originated and used by the staff? Is there anyplace he refers to himself as the old man? In some bulletin or the OODs perhaps?

Mimsey
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

Gold Meritorious Patron
Ughhh this truly is such a ugly time bomb. I sure hope it doesn't go off but yes to the OP, In Present time, and others there are just too many similarities to the conditions and actions of other cults over the years as specifically addressed in the Dangerous Devotion to Cults video.

Mentioned in the video ..[THEY] tried to build a better world but they put their faith in a madman.. this is so true, TWICE in scientology.

I find the statement by Eugene Gallagher referring to the 1999 Megiddo report on "one of the theories ..any group which imagines a catastrophic end to the world might itself turn to violence" brings up what was IIRC once in the 'Fundamentals of Thought" LRH book of stating that Dianetics or Scientology is the last chance for such preempting a nuclear holocast.

And in the case of Jonestown "rather than face punishment for his crimes he chooses death for himself and everyone else." To think that a grown man like Hubbard would in the 60's chain locker a small child for simply chewing on a piece of paper, or that he would mentor a young man into using a gestapo like the Financial Police fiasco of the early 80's isn't a madman is surely putting one's head in the sand. Yet it continues with more insanities of a musical chairs brawl, systemic executive assaults, and illegal forceable confinement such as in the HOLE. This is not even directly speaking to the various Fair Game GO/OSA programs that were uncovered by the documents of the 1977 FBI raids.

In the Video around 44 minutes Gallagher makes a very valid point. and warns us of the potential of more violence when he states

" as long as there a call in a religious community to live a life that is different from the life that everybody else lives,
to obey laws or practices that might be different from everybody else there is the possibility of tension. Where ever there is a
possibility of tension there is a possibility of conflict. Wherever there is the possibility of conflict there is the possibility
of violence."

and further states around 45 minutes "...Cults draw is into a world of fear, obedience and ultimate sacrifice.."

There is a lot of insight in this documentary as we hear Peter A Olsen Author of " Malignant Pied Pipers of Our Tiime" state that

" ....Finally cult leaders exploit members to fulfill their own needs for power and control, in many cases the exploitation
for money or sex.."

And what we hear from Robert Jay Lifton " ..what you have in gurus like manson charasmatic person with a certain brilliance ..it is a sort of superficial brillance it is part of that charisma and on the edge of madness."

Although Eugene says

"AS LONG AS REASON CAN BE ECLIPSED BY FAITH..THERE WILL BE THOSE WHO USE RELIGION TO EXPLOIT.AND.THOSE WHO GIVE UP THEIR FREE WILL TO A CHARASMATIC CULT LEADER" I would say that to be more complete, that we could say also... eclipsed by mind control ( emotional and educational manipulation resulting in faulty understandings leading to harmful decisions and actions) there will be more hatred than compassion. and far less harmony that would otherwise be possible.



I am so glad the Video ended with at least a glimmer of hope saying that,
THE KEY TO PREVENTING TRAGEDY IS THE INDIVIDUAL CONFRONTING AND DEFYING THE POWER OF THE CULT.

I think JustSheila and Deena have followed that up with their statements

JustSheila " I wish I knew how to reach them and help them."

in reply Deena said "Realistically, this just may not be possible. It would likely be better to turn energies toward education in order to prevent new members and eradication so there is nothing for the gullible and/or unknowing to join."

To which I would say.. there are a whole hive of individuals who have and are doing much to gather, compile, discuss, expose and act in various outreaches and reaching in to defy the power of the cult. :hifive: May there be much more.

PS sorry about all the caps..the cap lock was on when I was transcribing and I have to admit to being truly evil for that.. lol
 
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Lermanet_com

Gold Meritorious Patron
I think I'm coming around to Arnie's point of view. He probably liked the fact he could cloak his real, Occult meaning in military jargon.

Excellent on noting cloaking pattern, and the pattern repeats...
Dianetics > Hypnosis
Scientology > Black Magic
Scientology Policy > Rape of the Mind



"Hubbard: I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology and black magic. What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology --and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works. " LINK
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Quote from Psychiatrists Harry and Bono Overstreet from
The Mind Alive published in 1959
"That which promotes psychic health and the full vital aliveness of the mind deserves support. That which undermines such health -- encouraging fixation, regression, perennial immaturity, and blockages of relationship between the individual and his environment--is suspect"
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
I was in $cn in the late 60's and 70's... got to OTIII (u-huh)...
Yes it was delusional. yes it didn't make sense, but when I was last
in Clearwater.. (2002?) for a picket. I asked an old guy I saw wearing a boiler suit, on Cleveland Street, whom I assumed was in the sea org, the following question, his answer troubled me a great deal, I like to believe this answer wouldn't have been possible in the 70's..which also begs the question what the hell are they planning now, ten years after...

Question: What plans are you making for retirement in your old age?

Answer: (without a pause): I plan on doing a walk in, and taking over someone else's body when I get to OT...

Gawd! That is just soooooo STUPID!!!

I'm going to the pawn shop...Ron says there's a lot of bodies in there.
 

In present time

Gold Meritorious Patron
There must be a way to get to those still on the int base while davey is out of town rallying the troops.
maybe?
it surely
feels more free there with him gone?
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

Gold Meritorious Patron
A big thanks Arnie, for the link to Rape of the Mind as well as DELUSION and MASS DELUSION by Joost A. M. MEERLOO MD
After just a few minutes of reading it looks very promisingly insightful.:thumbsup:
 
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