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INT BASE vs HUMAN RIGHTS

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
Someone should get the Pope's comment on the Church of Scientology. Include a comparison between "Priest to Penitent" relationship in the two different Churches, and ask his comment on how he feels it's being handled in the Cof$.

Hypothetical Pope Reply:

'L. Ron Hubbard attemted to 'summon' a demon in the late 1940s and succeeded. It consumed him. The 'Church' of Scientology is that demon.

Zinj
 

Feral

Rogue male
Hypothetical Pope Reply:

'L. Ron Hubbard attemted to 'summon' a demon in the late 1940s and succeeded. It consumed him. The 'Church' of Scientology is that demon.

Zinj

WOW Zinj,

You do have a ay of cutting to the truth in a truly creative way.:yes:
 

Carnaubawax

Patron Meritorious
Imagine this scenario:

A TV program, in OZ I expect, it opens with the film on
privacy in the OP. Next a COS PR [ Karin Poew?] gets to comment.
Then some of our Oz members here get get brought in to comment on the culling of folders and the use of this against protesters, and document this.

Then the whole panel get to answer questions on the area.
Then everybody goes off to join the Freezone and live with VGI's ever after.
 

Axiom142

Gold Meritorious Patron
Great stuff Black Sun! :thumbsup:

I'd love to hear more stories from the Dark Side, aka the Int Base. I wouldn't be surprised if you could give examples of how most of the points of the Human Rights Declaration were being broken.

When I was prevaricating about leaving last year, I looked at the videos and could see how several were being routinely broken at St Hill. And yet, no one else seemed to notice the irony of the CoS producing such a series of videos! :duh:

Axiom142.
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
Hypothetical Pope Reply:

'L. Ron Hubbard attemted to 'summon' a demon in the late 1940s and succeeded. It consumed him. The 'Church' of Scientology is that demon.

Zinj

It'd be nice if he were that open about such a view, if he held it. I'm wondering though, if he could be cajoled into giving a view on the importance of Priest to Penitent relationship, and whether or not the Church of Scientology was living up to this. If he were to pronounce that they were abusing it, that might be meaningful to people who listen to people in pointy hats.
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

Gold Meritorious Patron
I understand this is happening. It is very hard for me to fathom. When I think about the ideals I had as a scientologist, and about the dedication I gave to that organization, it completely blows my mind the extent to which they betrayed that trust.

The Church of Scientology is in a condition of Treason to their staff and public. Hubbard was in the same condition. The unmitigated gall of Miscavige and those who perpetrate these abuses on their idealistic "crew" and staff is, frankly, astonishing. Except that it's also old hat to me. Every once in a blue moon, though, someone blows my mind with an even worse story.

To paraphrase our Zinjifar, "Scientology: it's always worse than you think".

I'm so sorry you went through this. I'm so sorry the people you are telling stories about are going through this. For my part in it, I am so very, very sorry.

There's nothing more I can say. Please continue.

:goodposting:
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Then everybody goes off to join the Freezone and live with VGI's ever after.
How you arrived at this conclusion escapes me. :confused2:
What's the point of this random, carping comment on an otherwise important and worthwhile thread? :confused2:
 
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Black Sun

Patron
Good evening/morning/day/ (whichever applies)!
Just when you were about to think you deserve a break, here is the next human right:

We're Always Innocent Till Proven Guilty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MggWG9QpZpM

So here we go on this right in Int Base style:

One day we find out that one of the mildest never-to-hurt-a-thing guy from the Estates branch is sent to the RPF. Not clear why. Does not fully make sense either. But things like that do happen, and hell, it is bad enough outside the RPF to make you forget about it. So time goes by and more time goes by, and one day he is back. Briefing to go with it is that he asked for his assignment to be checked into, and it was found he should never have been sent there in the first place. So does he get an apology or some form of redress? No, but now he may stay and be happy that he does not have to go to pieces in Happy Valley for something he has never done…

Or another much milder one of my own. Smack in the middle of an “evolution” after no sleep for 3 days in a row I was in a meeting with some 15 other staff and execs to work out how the rest was going to roll out. In walks one of the few execs that had the ugly habit of enjoying power and pain and starts screaming right upon entry: You want to know why you are all here trying to make this release happen and work you asses off??? I just found proof that this staff member (points at me) has been sitting on the completed material for a week now!! So THIS is why we are not going to make it!! (Just to get things straight, this sayso was all the proof ever produced on the matter).

My senior looks at me, horrified as it behoves a good on-purpose senior when a productive on-purpose exec says something like that, gets red as a beet and starts yelling: Why did you do that? Now if you are idiot enough after that many years there, like I was, you attempt to answer. But answering is in fact forbidden, it is another crime called backflash to a senior, and so that resulted in a roomful of people chanting BACKFLASH! and the properly horrified senior creaming OUT!!! Five laps! (Meaning now I go run around the block five times and report back when I'm done). Just what I wished to get a chance to do after no sleep for 3 days…

And to make the episode complete: I did have hard evidence to the contrary, but nobody was interested. Filed it with the appropriate authorities and nothing ever happened because the police forces there would never interfere with the “instant justice” administered no matter right or wrong (and just by the nature of the beast, usually wrong).

Incidents of this type may be called various things in other parts of the world… but I doubt there is one place that qualifies them as upholding human rights.
 

Pixie

Crusader
Thanks for posting and sharing your stories Black Sun. I am NEVER ceased to be amazed at how much abuse we put up with. Good for you for getting out and it's great to have you here on the board. :thumbsup:
 
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