The Anabaptist Jacques
Crusader
Hmmm,,,,Sister Claire. I like the sound of that.
After all, you cracked my knuckles more than a few times on this board.
The Anabaptist Jacques
Is any ex truly out?
- Thread starter Claire Swazey
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Hmmm,,,,Sister Claire. I like the sound of that.
After all, you cracked my knuckles more than a few times on this board.
The Anabaptist Jacques
Mark A. Baker
Sponsor
No. I have not said that the two are equivalent, precisely because they are not. One can oppose the cult without being obsessed by it. Many of us here do. But it is also quite possible to be opposed to the cult and obsessed with it. Mere opposition does not imply reason and may well indicate a profound and continuing obsession with that which is opposed.
Mark A. Baker
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
"Did you feel fine about going into things in the first place?"
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Gottabrain
Guest
Fair enough, Mark. I can go with that.
Conversely, it is also quite possible that some of those defending the cult are obsessed with it.
Mark A. Baker
Sponsor
And that is also clearly true, witness some of the video footage of church vigilantes & OSA.
Mark A. Baker
Ho Tai
Patron Meritorious
Hey there Commander,
Not sure exactly where you are heading, but here are a few thoughts:
1. I'm not saying that it's this way for me, but if a person wanted to dedicate their life to making sure that the CoS dried up and floated away or ended in a more dramatic fashion, they might stay interested in this board until that happened.
2. There are many other alternatives to leaving this board than doing the jalopy thing you speak of. There are many people in need of help, and most of them know nothing of scientology.
3. If you have goals that being on this board will help you achieve, then I totally support you in that.
HT
HelluvaHoax!
Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
Your innuendo campaign is really boring.
When you calm down and stop hurling all your insulting depictions of people who don't agree with you (angry, obsessed, mentally ill, et al) why don't you man up and just name WHO these people are?
Try using direct, simply constructed, unambiguous sentences and say what you mean.
This is more than reminiscent of ye old Sneakster's sleazy innuendo campaign of claiming that people on ESMB were "overrestimulated" because of the "OSA sock puppets" that working them over here on this board. He was repeatedly asked to give specifics, but refused.
At long last, he finally admitted that he did not actually know who these evil OSA sock puppets were. LOL.
Mark, perhaps you don't realize that you have been running a creepy campaign of insulting others without naming who they were specifically. Why don't you state WHO you are accusing of being mentally unsound, obsessed, irrational and angry?
Or do you prefer to hide in the shadows behind over-generalized and carefully veiled character assassination?
programmer_guy
True Ex-Scientologist
I told you I was trouble
Suspended animation
You post twice as much as I do but I'm obsessed, and you .... are not.
Got it.
I have been obsessed (here) at times, but I can be like that with many things, my current obsession is nuno felting using silks and wool, I go to sleep planning my next project and can't wait to get up and get going.
:dancer:
I'm obsessed!
I'm a lot happier being obsessed with watching scientology burn for a few minutes a day via my computer, than I ever was when a member of the cofs being HARASSED and FORCED into an obsession I didn't really own ... getting up a non existent bridge that led to nowhere.
Scientologists are the most obsessed people I've ever known, mainly with themselves.
Got it.
I have been obsessed (here) at times, but I can be like that with many things, my current obsession is nuno felting using silks and wool, I go to sleep planning my next project and can't wait to get up and get going.
:dancer:
I'm obsessed!
I'm a lot happier being obsessed with watching scientology burn for a few minutes a day via my computer, than I ever was when a member of the cofs being HARASSED and FORCED into an obsession I didn't really own ... getting up a non existent bridge that led to nowhere.
Scientologists are the most obsessed people I've ever known, mainly with themselves.
Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
When I was in, I was- if not obsessed- certainly intensely preoccupied with how I wasn't what I should be. Cuz they kept telling me that.
It was very worrisome.
It was very worrisome.
Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
My take on MAB's commentary differs from yours, in general and in re this recent discussion. I believe he was just making a distinction as part of a conversation he was having here.
And, speaking strictly for myself re the obsessed, irrational and angry- yeah, there's lots of people in the critic's scene who would answer that description. But then again, I don't see that as a negative. After all that so many have been through, those would be natural feelings and phenomena, IMO.
Jquepublic
Silver Meritorious Patron
I have been obsessed (here) at times, but I can be like that with many things, my current obsession is nuno felting using silks and wool, I go to sleep planning my next project and can't wait to get up and get going.
:dancer:
I'm obsessed!
I'm the obsessive type, and while I occasionally am guilty of frantically refreshing the page to see if any new info has posted on this or that thread, I feel my obsession with Scientology died a long time ago, but I'm in no way surprised that I took a "dive in with both feet" approach to it in the first place because that's how I live my life - I am either all in or all out of whatever my obsession dujour happens to be. My newest obsession is a cheesy Mafia Wars like game on my phone called Zombie Jombie.
I can't stop picking up the phone! And when that dies down, I'll move onto the next thing.
Mark A. Baker
Sponsor
I do find it curious how many have responded as if they imagined that my observation applied personally to themselves. Should that be interpreted in light of Matthew 7:20?
Mark A. Baker
People find their way to this board.
They are in various stages of "on their way out".
I remember when I first came here, hating and appreciating the razor sharp words that cut my "not quite out" stance to shreds.
On the first day that I'm back in over a year, this thread reminded me of exactly the incredible value that can be found here.
If someone here is able to say something that hurts you, it means you are are still trapped. If you persist here long enough, the magnificent cynical ass-hole geniuses will flatten every last button you might have.
...
I was recently introduced to another cult.... As I heard it described, I thought, "wow, 40 hour straight brainwash indoctrination, and people pay for it, and like it?" "That sounds like something I would do for fun! I love intense experiences."
We each have a different comfort level for different kinds of experiences. Rolfing, for example: torture to some, wonderful to others. Amusement park rides: key-in stomach turners to some, awesome fun to others. Cults? A good time to some, a mind f*ck to others.
When people reach this message board, they have contextualized their experience in some way:
Are you the victim of the awful nasty CoS?
Or was it just another awesome ride?
Do you have wounds to heal? (or battle scars to flaunt?)
By leaving, did you achieve a victory or a failure?
The basic way out is this:
Spot something which makes Scn insignificant.
(hints: ---> YOU, your life, reality, truth, other people, love, your goals and dreams, etc <--- )
The ultimate Mind F*ck, was the moment when LRH got you to go into agreement with the belief that Scn was senior to these things. It was an ingenious and subtle trick.
Spotting that moment might be helpful.
For me, it was when I bought into the concept of a reactive mind, to which I was powerless. That was the con. And the moment I started looking for people to get keyed in, I started seeing it, and I saw it in myself.
Clear cognition is "I made the whole thing up". It is perfectly acceptable to decide you don't have a reactive mind and that LRH was a genius conman and that you fell for his pitch ("you're powerless and enslaved, and so is everyone else, and here is why, but if you act fast there is a way to become powerful and free and helps others become powerful and free too, and it's easy for you to believe what I say, because I speak with authority, [and not to mention I have mastered the art of weaving an illusion and communicating it so that others go into agreement with it], and I want everyone to become powerful and free too, and we'll have a great game where everyone can go free and become powerful.")
If you want to be free and powerful and a super genius, recognize and validate the freedom and power and intelligence that you have now; exercise what you have now, and soon you'll have more. DECIDE that it can be as easy as that, and it is.
(Though, not nearly as profitable).
LRH says, "Oh, you're not OT yet, that's why you can't make your postulates stick"
Make a postulate stick, and you might suddenly discover that you're OT, ...or more likely, that titles are irrelevant.
So "Is any ex truly out?"
If you are waiting for external events (payments, services, going up the bridge, the second coming of Christ, for the UFOs to land, or for Ron Paul to become President)... before you have the life that you want for yourself... you are still trapped.
The greatest service I have ever been rendered was by a man who showed me what it means to be free. He did it by living it, by being himself, by enjoying his life, by living his love.
It's only meaningful if it's genuine.
In love with myself, and life, and you,
- Yon
They are in various stages of "on their way out".
I remember when I first came here, hating and appreciating the razor sharp words that cut my "not quite out" stance to shreds.
On the first day that I'm back in over a year, this thread reminded me of exactly the incredible value that can be found here.
If someone here is able to say something that hurts you, it means you are are still trapped. If you persist here long enough, the magnificent cynical ass-hole geniuses will flatten every last button you might have.
...
I was recently introduced to another cult.... As I heard it described, I thought, "wow, 40 hour straight brainwash indoctrination, and people pay for it, and like it?" "That sounds like something I would do for fun! I love intense experiences."
We each have a different comfort level for different kinds of experiences. Rolfing, for example: torture to some, wonderful to others. Amusement park rides: key-in stomach turners to some, awesome fun to others. Cults? A good time to some, a mind f*ck to others.
When people reach this message board, they have contextualized their experience in some way:
Are you the victim of the awful nasty CoS?
Or was it just another awesome ride?
Do you have wounds to heal? (or battle scars to flaunt?)
By leaving, did you achieve a victory or a failure?
The basic way out is this:
Spot something which makes Scn insignificant.
(hints: ---> YOU, your life, reality, truth, other people, love, your goals and dreams, etc <--- )
The ultimate Mind F*ck, was the moment when LRH got you to go into agreement with the belief that Scn was senior to these things. It was an ingenious and subtle trick.
Spotting that moment might be helpful.
For me, it was when I bought into the concept of a reactive mind, to which I was powerless. That was the con. And the moment I started looking for people to get keyed in, I started seeing it, and I saw it in myself.
Clear cognition is "I made the whole thing up". It is perfectly acceptable to decide you don't have a reactive mind and that LRH was a genius conman and that you fell for his pitch ("you're powerless and enslaved, and so is everyone else, and here is why, but if you act fast there is a way to become powerful and free and helps others become powerful and free too, and it's easy for you to believe what I say, because I speak with authority, [and not to mention I have mastered the art of weaving an illusion and communicating it so that others go into agreement with it], and I want everyone to become powerful and free too, and we'll have a great game where everyone can go free and become powerful.")
If you want to be free and powerful and a super genius, recognize and validate the freedom and power and intelligence that you have now; exercise what you have now, and soon you'll have more. DECIDE that it can be as easy as that, and it is.
(Though, not nearly as profitable).
LRH says, "Oh, you're not OT yet, that's why you can't make your postulates stick"
Make a postulate stick, and you might suddenly discover that you're OT, ...or more likely, that titles are irrelevant.
So "Is any ex truly out?"
If you are waiting for external events (payments, services, going up the bridge, the second coming of Christ, for the UFOs to land, or for Ron Paul to become President)... before you have the life that you want for yourself... you are still trapped.
The greatest service I have ever been rendered was by a man who showed me what it means to be free. He did it by living it, by being himself, by enjoying his life, by living his love.
It's only meaningful if it's genuine.
In love with myself, and life, and you,
- Yon
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
1. CoS isn't going to dry up or float away nor are any dramatic scenarios lawful. but this board is very very good for the endless stream of CoS refugees
2. there may be many people in need of help and most may never have heard of scientology but i ain't gonna tell 'em. dianetics maybe
3.if you knew my goals you'd know more than i
uniquemand
Unbeliever
Personally, I'm here for the tits.
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
You're a realist.
Mark A. Baker
Sponsor
Bill
Gold Meritorious Patron
There is a saying that, on the road, those who are going faster than you are a$$holes and those who are going slower are idiots. Here, one might say those who are more intensely critical of Scientology than oneself are "obsessed" and those who are less critical are "clueless".
Unless someone is trained and have carefully interviewed the people involved, any label of "obsessive" is simply a dismissive label based only on that person's bias as to how much criticism is "too much". There is nothing much wrong with that, it's just an opinion. To think that other people here actually have a mental illness based only one one's personal bias would be silly (and I'm not accusing you of that.)
Bill
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