Is Scientology really that bad?

[PirateAndBum]

Thank you Pirate and Bum, Lotus, and Pineapple for your responses.

I have one question for you...

Are ny of you professing Christians?

Also the same question to PTS4, Me and Myself and Xenu Xenu Xenu who hit the "Winner" button on said responses.

I was until I got into Scn. Now, no. I've come to better understandings about spiritual matters since leaving the co$

 

[Gib]

Thank you Pirate and Bum, Lotus, and Pineapple for your responses.

I have one question for you...

Are ny of you professing Christians?

Also the same question to PTS4, Me and Myself and Xenu Xenu Xenu who hit the "Winner" button on said responses.

I'm not a professing Christian, why should I be one?

Tell me the gibberish.

 

[programmer_guy]

Scientology is polytheistic (we are all fallen gods) who need to clear our reactive minds and then go on to OT.

Christianity (Paul, Saul-of-Tarsus) called it "The Way". We are not gods.
And this was a piggy-back on top of the tribal Hebrew religion for the so-called final animal sacrifice for sins (ancient practices).

For spiritual beliefs, Scientology and Christianity are not compatible.
But I guess that some people can play tap-dancing games around this.

 

[lotus]

I was raised Catholic but stopped believing in it around age 13. The moral principles are good but I don't buy the theology. I've been an agnostic since age 13.

Same here!

I still embrace the moral principles, as a light on my path but, rejected the dogma, the Church, the old testament..a shame...and obviously the new testament is full of embelishment and lies...shall go in the same recycling bin than Xenu...

Although I practice buddhism, I don't follow anything that would be imposed to me as a belief or as being a truth!

 

[George Layton]

Is meth really that bad? It's just like any other drug.

 

[Operating DB]

"Free your mind and your ass will follow" is a line spoken by George Clinton in the song, "Maggot Brain", by the band Funkadelic. The album of the same name came out in 1969.

Oh yes, I'm still a funkateer after all these years.

Me too! I lived for those funk groups. There is no better dance music. We must be around the same age.

Thanks for the correction on the lyric. I looked up the title on Wikipedia and George is now my hero after reading "Many of the songs (such as the title track and "Eulogy and Light") subvert Christian themes, including the Lord's Prayer and the 23rd Psalm."

 

[Operating DB]

I was raised Catholic but stopped believing in it around age 13. The moral principles are good but I don't buy the theology. I've been an agnostic since age 13.

We have a similar path. I went to Catholic parochial school 1-8. At some point when I was in the 6th grade at 11 years old my mind opened and I decided the whole shebang was not for me. I had a paper route then and on Sunday mornings I delivered papers at the crack of dawn. My dad normally would get up around 10am to go the to 12pm mass. I told him I went to the 8am mass after finishing my paper route when in fact I didn't. I hated going to mass as it was a big waste of time. Some months later I think he got suspicious that I wasn't going and asked what the sermon was about one Sunday. I told him "Oh, I never listen to those things" and left it at that. LOL .

To this day I don't subscribe to any particular religion or have any label assignation. I like the feel of not having any label.

 

[Voodoo]

Me too! I lived for those funk groups. There is no better dance music. We must be around the same age.

Thanks for the correction on the lyric. I looked up the title on Wikipedia and George is now my hero after reading "Many of the songs (such as the title track and "Eulogy and Light") subvert Christian themes, including the Lord's Prayer and the 23rd Psalm."

Class of '53 here.

Yeah, I was a teenager when Funkadelic first hit the charts. They quickly became one of my favorite bands, as they were doing something totally new and energizing, but familiar at the same time.

I've bought every one of their albums, but one, "America Eats Its Young".

Their music was the score to my life when I was young.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

Scientology is polytheistic (we are all fallen gods) who need to clear our reactive minds and then go on to OT.

Christianity (Paul, Saul-of-Tarsus) called it "The Way". We are not gods.
And this was a piggy-back on top of the tribal Hebrew religion for the so-called final animal sacrifice for sins (ancient practices).

For spiritual beliefs, Scientology and Christianity are not compatible.
But I guess that some people can play tap-dancing games around this.

Dianetics and Christianity are very much compatible

I maintained my integrity as Christian while on staff but that was back in the day. Miscavage has made a dreadful muck of the thing.

And...

If you yourself are not a professing Christian why would you think yourself able to judge their compatibility?

In point of fact you don't appear to know much about either one.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

We have a similar path. I went to Catholic parochial school 1-8. At some point when I was in the 6th grade at 11 years old my mind opened and I decided the whole shebang was not for me. I had a paper route then and on Sunday mornings I delivered papers at the crack of dawn. My dad normally would get up around 10am to go the to 12pm mass. I told him I went to the 8am mass after finishing my paper route when in fact I didn't. I hated going to mass as it was a big waste of time. Some months later I think he got suspicious that I wasn't going and asked what the sermon was about one Sunday. I told him "Oh, I never listen to those things" and left it at that. LOL .

To this day I don't subscribe to any particular religion or have any label assignation. I like the feel of not having any label.

Thank you or getting off your w/h...

 

[Clay Pigeon]

Is meth really that bad? It's just like any other drug.

Hey!

We don't totally disagree about everything George.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

I'm not a professing Christian, why should I be one?

Tell me the gibberish.

Back in the nineties I was researching something and went into the Boston Public Library to check the Encyclopedia Britanica article on the Bible. It opened by saying "Regardless of your opinion of it one cannot be considered an educated person in Western Civilization without some familiarity with The Bible."

Does this appear to be gibberish to you?

 

[Clay Pigeon]

Same here!

I still embrace the moral principles, as a light on my path but, rejected the dogma, the Church, the old testament..a shame...and obviously the new testament is full of embelishment and lies...shall go in the same recycling bin than Xenu...

Although I practice buddhism, I don't follow anything that would be imposed to me as a belief or as being a truth!

There is some godawful brutality in the old testament and a creation myth less at odds with science than either side of the debate will admit. There is also there wisdom lotus which you would likely embrace. I do recommend you sit beneath tree of your choosing mediate yourself into a calm warm state of being and spend some time The Book of Proverbs.

Also...

The cognoscenti are enthralled by the unerring accuracy of the Prophecies of Daniel.

And in The New Testament, if you will shake off all those old Roman cooties, I believe a fresh reading of the Thirteenth Chapter of Paul's first epistle to the church in Corinth will charm you well enough for you to spare it from the recycling bin...

 

[Clay Pigeon]

I was until I got into Scn. Now, no. I've come to better understandings about spiritual matters since leaving the co$

Interesting...

Tell me more of your belief pre-scientology

 

[Clay Pigeon]

I was raised Catholic but stopped believing in it around age 13. The moral principles are good but I don't buy the theology. I've been an agnostic since age 13.

You're an agnostic but you appear to lean Deist...

I must say the most virulent atheists I've met were raised Catholic.

And the executives of CoS are mostly catholics who are outrageously mixing practices with the RCC



And thank you all for some lively conversation

 

[pineapple]

You're an agnostic but you appear to lean Deist...

More Beist than Deist.

The Deists rejected Christianity, but thought there must be a god because the universe needed a creator. It ain't necessarily so, though. Current thinking is the universe began in a Big Bang and will end, eventually, in a Big Crunch. The universe will contract until it's all highly compressed, under immense pressure. But then the immense heat generated by the compression will cause a huge explosion: another Big Bang, and the universe will be born again.

How long has this been going on? Was there a beginning? Or has this cycle been going on FOREVER? I don't think we'll ever know.

But one thing we DO know: Yes, scientology really IS that bad.

 

[Gib]

Back in the nineties I was researching something and went into the Boston Public Library to check the Encyclopedia Britanica article on the Bible. It opened by saying "Regardless of your opinion of it one cannot be considered an educated person in Western Civilization without some familiarity with The Bible."

Does this appear to be gibberish to you?

yep, that's rhetoric, namely appeal to authority or ethos, namely Boston Public Library and Encyclopedia Britannica and the Bible.

the statement:

" Regardless of your opinion of it one cannot be considered an educated person in Western Civilization without some familiarity with The Bible."

is a statement of appeal to authority, the bible, plus emotions or pathos namely "educated".

 

[Me and My Self]

I have one question for you...

Are ny of you professing Christians?

Also the same question to PTS4, Me and Myself and Xenu Xenu Xenu who hit the "Winner" button on said responses.

I was raised under catholic moral principles. My parents weren't strictly professing though, but I remember my dad taking me to church on sunday mass more or less steadily at a given point (around 10 y.o. I think). I also read a lot of religious stuff (Old Testament stories for kids, etc.) which I liked a lot. My parents had many jewish friends into masonry and rosicrucians, but never did delve much deeper into that though there were several books around the house (my dad had done some rosicrucian studies by correspondence I think) and my mother used to recount weird "secret spiritual stuff" in our daily endless conversations at that time.

At around 13, I had to change schools to pursue my high school education - finished the first two available years at one of the only two French-based schools in town - and this new one was being run by French more or less liberal catholic priests at the time. There was a chapel, and activities for us students beyond formal mass (choir and music band, informal group conversations, etc.). I always liked the peaceful, silent atmosphere of that very minimalistic chapel (as opposed to the overwhelming baroque and somewhat "noisy" and borderline-to-scary, dramatic spanish sculptures scattered everywhere at my home parish church).

All my non-french close friends had already done their First Communion (with fancy white dresses and all the goodies) and always asked my mother about it but always received a vague answer. Sort of an endless latin-american styled "mañana" that I never really bothered to see as much important. When it was the time of the year my school fellows would be prepared for their own FC, and given that one of our priest teachers was curious about seeing me almost every day spending playtime recesses at the chapel, but never in line for communion despite my "older" age (here the ceremony is usually performed at around 10) - I tried once but was told I couldn't do that - he had a talk with my father and thereafter the "mañana" thing became "HOY" and, surprise! I discovered I hadn't even been baptised.

So I was baptised and "first-communied" all in one at 13 - funny thing my baptism godmother was my best friend at that time, 2 months younger than me ... (a bit tweaking of the rules hmm) and a few months later also did my formal Confirmation with another best friend as godmother - this time my own age.

I guess I just wanted to be confirmed as part of the group I felt the need to take sides with, perceiving it as the statistically strongest one in my small world of human relationships. I had a lot of Jewish friends myself and was even once invited to a bar-mitzvah, but I was told by my parents that this was definitely not my group ... though I remember my mother recounting that one of their former Jewish friends had told them once - referring to me - "she is Jewish" so I've always felt a mysterious connection to them, somewhere out there in the Cosmic Plan.
(I also have a memory of a Chinese waiter, when about 5-6 y.o., staring at me deeply for a few seconds while tending to our table, then afterwards commenting very secretly to my parents that "I was Chinese". They didn't seem to like that much, though, despite the certainty of his expression. Me I was like "Wǒ fēicháng róngxìng" feeling in 7th heaven.) In short, both Jewish and Chinese potential spiritual identities led me to think I was a really special being indeed. Add this to me being a single child, to explain my stubborn and narcissistic delusion(s).

(Oh. Forgot to answer your question. That would be, presently and absolutely, NO.)

If you are interested in a more detailed answer as to specifics that led me to express my appreciation on your above quoted "said responses", I might develop it later on.

 

[Helena Handbasket]

What you describe is actually factual and correct and lead us to ask, thus, a second question:

Q: Is $cientology really a religion?

A: No, $cientology is pretending to be a religion ....

Actually, most people today do consider Scientology to be a religion -- and I'm including still-ins, exes, and general wogs -- but they consider it a weird, not-to-be-trusted kind of religion, like the Assassins.

Helena

 

[strativarius]

Actually, most people today do consider Scientology to be a religion -- and I'm including still-ins, exes, and [bcolor=#ffff00]general wogs[/bcolor] -- but they consider it a weird, not-to-be-trusted kind of religion, like the Assassins.

Helena

Who is general wogs, is he on Trump's team?