Is Scientology Satanic ?

Veda

Sponsor
Where did he do this? (I don't doubt it; just would like to know the source, no pun intended.)

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From the 1938 "Skipper" letter:

Beginning of quote:

Living is a pretty grim joke, but a joke just the same.
The entire function of man is to survive. Not for 'what' but just to survive.["Not for what, but just to survive," as in have an impact that endures for the sake of having an impact that endures, in this case in the shape of L. Ron Hubbard.]​
I turned the thing up [The Dynamic principle of Existence: Survive!] so it's up to me to survive in a big way.
Personal immortality is only to be gained through the printed word, barred note or painted canvas or hard granite. [Or stainless steel, or titanium, or by having 'L. Ron Hubbard' identified with people's 'survival!' and well being.]
Foolishly perhaps, but determined nonetheless, I have high hopes of smashing my name into history so violently that it will take a legendary form even if all the books are destroyed.
That goal is the real goal as far as I am concerned.
Things which stand too consistently in my way make me nervous. It's a pretty big job. In a hundred years Roosevelt will have been forgotten - which gives some idea of the magnitude of my attempt. And all this boils and froths inside my head...
I can make Napoleon look like a punk...
_____________​

And eight years later, from his 'Affirmations':

Your psychology is advanced and true and wonderful. It hypnotizes people. It predicts their emotions, for you are their ruler.
________________​

And this was written thirty one years later in 'Discipline - SPs and Admin'. Notice the continuity of theme.

I am not interested in 'wog' morality... I can make Captain Bligh look like a Sunday school teacher.
 

phenomanon

Canyon
I believe that the underground vaults were originally intended by him at least partially for the purpose of storing gold and other assets.

But at some point control of the CoS was wrested from him, and then even control of his personal fortune.

Maybe at the end when he told Sarge that he "failed" this is what he had in mind, the failure to secure his assets for his next adventure here. ;)

If he really was able to come back he'd probably join the Sea Org, without revealing his real identity, working his way into an INT Management position, with the intent of eventually taking back control of the billions in CoS & IAS assets. (Miscavige would probably suffer a horrible accident, falling off the top of the tallest CoS owned building)
He said in that OT8 HCOB that he was coming back as a Politician. He never mentions where on the time stream he intends to drop in.
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
He said in that OT8 HCOB that he was coming back as a Politician. He never mentions where on the time stream he intends to drop in.
I wish he forgot that!
(Just in case I will be back on this planet..in this sector of guhluxy...)

:D
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

Gold Meritorious Patron
I see a lot of hisself in D.Trump.
"magnitude of my attempt. And all this boils and froths inside my head..." there is the malignant megalomania oozing from his volcanic personality. Dianutty hubbard exploding from time to time and finally landing down in the ocean as ash.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation

For me, the reality is that even though I loathe hubbard and all he stood for, if he (hubbard) was the only alternative to leftism I would put my feelings to one side and vote for him today.

:eek:


It wouldn't be a happy clappy choice but it would be the choice I would feel I had to make until someone else turns up who sits closer to where I sit politically (towards the centre but verging towards right).
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
For me, the reality is that even though I loathe hubbard and all he stood for, if he (hubbard) was the only alternative to leftism I would put my feelings to one side and vote for him today.

:eek:
OMG
Sis
I can't believe you wrote that :eek:

I mean you would vote for hubtard instead of me ????? (the lefty)
Don't call me tomorrow..I won't answer :gaah:till you properly do an AtoE
:p

( I am a centerist..just a little tiny bit toward left...for solidarity purpose..
(let's say I would live in a rightist country I would have already died for I wouldn't have had my major surgeries and neither any income to pay for my rent and food when debilated ..but I agree to pay more taxes for that)
;)
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
You'll be comforted sis...since he's coming back as a politician...
(it will make this world free of one lefty )
I'll dispatch him in your country though! (as soon as it comes to my attention that he is on the train departing from target two...)


:gaah:
:wife:
:pullhair:
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
And I'll dispatch the Donald with him too in order to make you even more happy gifted with this wonderful nice pair...

and the will rent the house next to yours!
The narcissistic patholigical liars house
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
I voted to the left in the last election ... and I'm really happy that I did because I have no doubt it was the best option at the time. It can be quite difficult these days to tell which party is truly leaning towards the left and which is more towards the right because there is so much BS and personality politicking, somewhere in the centre works for me.

As has been mentioned here before ... 'The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" (thanks Maggie Thatcher) and with the appalling abuse of the health system (certainly where I am) it just can't be sustained forever ... but I would vote for you (or at least I'd tell you that I had!).

:D
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
Seriously,

I do think almost the same. Socialism and leftism are a total fail as well as rightism is presently proving to be. (both lead to unfairness)

I would never think you voted left though...:D
and am deeply touched you would have voted for me (or lie to me) instead of voting for Ron the nut. It is comforting. :D

We are in need of real deep changes...and new ideas and ways of governing ... It is a planetary emergency...on this planet..
 

F.Bullbait

Oh, a wise guy,eh?
This is when OT 8 was released:

OT VIII is known as "The Truth Revealed" and was first released to select high-ranking public Scientologists in 1988​
What is "The Truth Revealed"? That the hubbard...er...cupboard was bare? I want my 'total cause over the MEST universe', waah!:hissyfit:
 
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lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
You guys are very sharp mind and obviously there are years of deep and critical thinking to back your opinion on the subject.

@TheOriginalBigBlue
your post is brilliant

@George Layton
You mentionned vanity
I agree with your POV; I often mentionned on the board thst our involvement in going up thr bridge was mainly a "sin" of spiritual greed and gluttony
( quest for unpreceeding attainement of knowledge and power...)

This could only result in the suffering we experienced in dellusion.

@Veda
Thanks for the relevant informations


I and many others often mentionned Ron's quest as being basically a quest for immortality..the man he could not face and accept his mortal condition ..this was IMO his main delluded

OT VIII Series I
C O N F I D E N T I A L
STUDENT BRIEFING

By the time you read this I will no longer be occupying the body and identity that you have known as Ron. That identity continues to live in the hearts and minds of many as well as in on-Source tech and admin centers around the planet, and will inspire for years to come Scientologists and lovers of truth everywhere.
" will be immortal in smashing his name in the history..."

Last, saying there is no satan in $cientology as there is Christ in Christianism is a fallacy!

Christ refers to Jesus the Christ a prophet who's teachings leaded to the Christianism...A real figure..
But satan is a metaphore used in all religions and cults ( demon, devil, Xenu, etc..) to name evilness.

Christianism is a religion although satanism is a practice of evilness or a cult of Satan ( theistic satanism)

Veda's post , affirmations and OTVIII materials clearly provides with facts that bring a natural conclusion there is satanism in LRH's deeds and satanic exorcism in ult practice.

To the opposite of true believers pretense, we are not in the field of satanic religious mythology but into satanic component practices.
 
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phenomanon

Canyon
And I'll dispatch the Donald with him too in order to make you even more happy gifted with this wonderful nice pair...

and the will rent the house next to yours!
The narcissistic patholigical liars house
well, Lotus, that's just evil...
 

Clay Pigeon

Gold Meritorious Patron
I would say Scientology's Founder was satanic . . . not the subject itself . . . though one might find some small parts that could be construed as such.

There is no doubt that Hubbard was satanic . . . he himself variously stated so, alluded to it and absolutely DEMONSTRATED IT!

But, of course, he again could have been deluding himself to think he was so utterly bad, evil and demonic. I mean, who but someone prone to delusions of grandeur would write that he "could make Hitler look like a punk!"

I prefer the assessment of a friend, an original Haight Ashbury hippie from the early 60's, a New Hampshireman and Army veteran like myself, a student of Crowley's work, a professing christian who believed Hubbard to be a mage who would shift back and forth between "The Right Hand Path" and "The Left Hand Path"

Of course CoS goes total whitewash on him but so many here paint him entirely black.

Personally I find much good in his work and consider it to far outweigh the evil...
 

Clay Pigeon

Gold Meritorious Patron
Most of Scientology's scales, its stated goal of creating a multiplicity of infinite minds, and much of its symbolism, including the Scientology symbol, the "S with the Double Triangle," comes from Crowley.

Its "four conditions of existence" (as-isness, alter-isness, is-ness, and not is-ness) derive from the tetragrammaton, the four letters of the "name" (the commands/postulates) of creation.

And so much more, including many processes adopted by Scientology, as well as its The Factors and even ARC.

Hubbard began Scientology in the first PDC lecture by (covertly) "getting his withhold off," by joking - in a nonseqitor statement - that he was the "Prince of Darkness."

Thirty years later he said he was fulfilling the role of Lucifer.

Scientology mocks the traditional God. (The creation of ancient extraterrestrial psychiatrists)

It promises a person superman powers and immortality and makes him a slave instead.

If that's not Satanic what is?

Hubbard didn't make a very good messiah

He also wasn't much of an anti-christ either>
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
Hubbard didn't make a very good messiah

He also wasn't much of an anti-christ either>
Ah, interesting comment
This is your opinion Birdie,

But I'd say , it is factual that
he wasn't a messiah, period.
He wasn't the lord Metteya period.

He was obviously an anti-Christ, according to his own mouth full of nasty comments about Christ and praise of black magic and sodomy guru Aleister Crowley

He was a poor man, afflicted with severe personality disorders and psychosis, and who
Was not getting proper care ( was not available at this time) which made him fall deep into paranoïa and lunacy.
 
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