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Is Scientology Satanic?

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Veda, Sep 25, 2019.

  1. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    The Scientology word for spirit is "thetan."

    It's an inside joke, amongst the Scientology deep inner circle, that "thetan" is a dark practical joke by Hubbard. The original American pronunciation of "thetan" is "Satan with a lisp."

    Self proclaimed "Beast 666"


    Aleister Crowley's deep influence on Hubbard during the formative stages of Scientology is undeniable.

    The parallels between many of Scientology's key basics and Crowley's ideas are numerous.​

    A secular (edit: "secular" definition of Satanism would be, the rejection of a higher power and the glorification of oneself as a "god," a "god" above good and evil. It does not need to be "religious" in meaning. It's about power, elitism, and amorality.

    A while back I read an off the record account of a conversation of a Scientology attorney and another high level Scientologist. They said, matter-of-factly, that, of course, they were Satanists.

    Is this being "OT"?​

    Is Scientology Satanic?​

    Most of Scientology's scales, its stated goal of creating a multiplicity of infinite minds, and much of its symbolism, including the Scientology symbol, the "S with the Double Triangle," comes from Crowley.

    Its "four conditions of existence" (as-isness, alter-isness, is-ness, and not is-ness) derive from the tetragrammaton, the four letters of the "name" (the commands/postulates) of creation.

    And so much more, including many processes adopted by Scientology, as well as its The Factors and even ARC.

    Hubbard began Scientology in the first PDC lecture by (covertly) "getting his withhold off," by joking - in a nonseqitor statement - that he was the "Prince of Darkness."

    Thirty years later he said he was fulfilling the role of Lucifer.

    Scientology mocks the traditional God as the creation of ancient extraterrestrial psychiatrists.

    It promises a person superman powers and immortality and makes him a slave instead.

    If that's not Satanic what is?
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  2. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    The occult angle is such a good way to analyze Scientology. Thank you, Veda.

    I didn't get to make such a great collection of ESMB posts as you, but I can add this:
    Current tags in the occult category:

    A.·.A.·. | abyss | Agapé Lodge | Archangel Michael | automatic writing | Babalon | black magic | Body of Light | chaos | chaos merchant | chaos tech | Elemental | Enochian magic | Excalibur | Freedom Is a Two-Edged Sword | Guardian angel | homunculus | Left Hand Path | Liber Babalon | lunar intelligence | magic | Magical memory | magicians | Magic lamp | magic spells | Mason | Moonchild | new aeon | New Dawn | nirvana | occult | One Command | OTO | Prince of Darkness | Raon | Rosicrucianism | Scottish Rite | sex magic | sigil of Babalon | swami | tau cross and circle | The Babalon Working | The Golden Dawn | The Magical Revival | The Scarlet Woman

    I personally found the documents on the Left Hand Path to be particularly helpful. To that collection I'd add Lords of the Left Hand Path by Stephen Flower.
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  3. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

    Screenshot 2019-09-25 at 2.59.14 AM.png

    So, this planet is a smorgasbord or lost spiritual tech and Ron was here as a snuffleupagus.

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  4. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown


    Wow, that'a big clay demo!
  5. Cat's Squirrel

    Cat's Squirrel Gold Meritorious Patron

    Nibs Hubbard thought so; he claimed that Scientology is basically black magic, but most Scientologists don't realise it because it takes place over a long period of time.
  6. Zertel

    Zertel Patron

    I think a secular usage of Satanism is uncommon. Most people equate Satin as the dude with horns and a tail.
    I always equated occultism with people summoning evil spirits and so on until I did some word clearing. Occultism is not necessarily people fooling around on the dark side of The Force although it could be.

    occultism[ uh-kuhl-tiz-uh m ]SHOW IPA
    belief in the existence of secret, mysterious, or supernatural agencies.
    the study or practice of occult arts.

    Among other things Scientology is definitely occult. (Where's my e-meter)
  7. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    I found it interesting how prominent magicians in Hubbard's day characterized his activities in a secular way:

    From The Beast 666:
    From The Magical Revival:
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  8. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    Gerry found a tablet on the mountain and got this message through:

    [bcolor=#e7e6de]It is satanic, but not Satanism. For some time, I have been categorizing Scientology theologically as a brand of “Luciferianism,” or a brand of “Black Luciferianism.” See, e.g., my June 20, 2015 article: “On Monique Yingling, Alex Gibney, Scientology and the IRS deal.” I know there is some objection to the use of “black” to describe malignancies like “Black PR, “Black Dianetics,” etc. so it is perhaps best to identify Scientology – as practiced – as “Malignant Luciferianism.” And the other branch of Luciferianism, if there can be such a thing, would be “Nonmalignant Luciferianism.”[/bcolor]​

    From Gerry's letter:

    [bcolor=#e7e6de]Theologically speaking, Scientology is a form of Luciferianism, which comes in many forms. As early as 1952, Hubbard called himself the “Prince of Darkness,” and the religion is clearly rooted in “Thelema,” Aleister Crowley’s hermetic magick. Overtly, the cult calls its courses “self-improvement,” its teachings an “applied religious philosophy,” and founder Hubbard, “mankind’s greatest friend,” a “genius,” an “educator,” a “professional in twenty-nine fields,” a “power.” The Scientologists claim that among his many other firsts, prodigious discoveries, and superhuman accomplishments, he “became the first to scientifically isolate, measure and describe the human spirit, while objectively demonstrating spiritual potentials well in advance of scientific thought.” All these things are aspects of Luciferianism.[/bcolor]​

    [bcolor=#e7e6de]The Scientologists claim that by application of their “spiritual technology” they have become superior beings, and can give their subjects wildly increased intelligence, phenomenal knowledge and understanding, superhuman abilities, secular and psychic power, the never-before achieved states of “Clear” and “Operating Thetan” or “OT,” exemplary characters, success, the way to wealth and happiness, and “total freedom.” The Scientologists profess sincere concern for the welfare of mankind, and state their aims as “a civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where Man is free to rise to greater heights.” The Scientologists preach ethics, honesty and human rights. All these claims are also common characteristics or promises of Luciferianism.[/bcolor]​

    [bcolor=#e7e6de]Any doubt about Hubbard and his religion’s Luciferian nature was dispelled after his death when the Scientologists published his scriptural “technical bulletin” he called “OT VIII Confidential Student Briefing,” in which he as much as confessed he was the “Antichrist,” representing “the forces of Lucifer.” Aleister Crowley claimed that Aiwass, whom he also identified as Lucifer, was his “Holy Guardian Angel,” who had dictated to Crowley his most famous writing The Book of the Law. Hubbard wrote in “OT VIII:”[/bcolor]​

    [bcolor=#e7e6de]No doubt you are familiar with the Revelations section of the Bible where various events are predicted. Also mentioned is a brief period of time in which an archenemy of Christ, referred to as the Antichrist, will reign and his opinions will have sway. All this makes for very fantastic, entertaining reading but there is truth in it. This Antichrist represents the forces of Lucifer (literally, the “light bearer” or “light bring”), Lucifer being a mythical representation of the forces of enlightenment, the Galactic Confederacy. My mission could be said to fulfill the Biblical promise represented by this brief Antichrist period.[/bcolor]

    [bcolor=#e7e6de]Hubbard dated the bulletin May 5, 1980, a time when he was on the lam in southern California, postulating his own death, and evading government and private parties who were suing him or seeking his testimony in ongoing legal cases. In this scripture, based on what he implied was impeccable evidence, he blasphemed Jesus of the Christian Bible as an unsaintly, raging pederast. The ideal of Christ, Hubbard claimed, is part of an “ongoing implant” the Marcabians laid in on humans seventy-five million years ago “by carefully controlled genetic mutation.” He wrote that this race of entities, who were outside the physical universe, periodically reinforced the implant “by controlled historic events,” to make it impossible for humans to become free, except by his great work and divination.[/bcolor]​

    [bcolor=#e7e6de]Hubbard wrote that all religions of any consequence but original Buddhism, “have been instruments to… bring about the eventual enslavement of mankind.” In addition to claiming to be antichrist, Lucifer, the Prince of Darkness, or an associated being of that occult ilk, Hubbard, of course, had been claiming since the 1950s to have been the original Buddha. In “OT VIII” he wrote that his mission was to derail an imminent mass landing by the Marcabians, which is falsely portrayed as the biblical “Second Coming.” He said that with constant effort by the Scientologists who would be doing his OT VIII program he would postpone and then halt a series of events the Marcabians designed to make slaves of us all.[/bcolor]​

    [bcolor=#e7e6de]As megalomanical and deluded as Hubbard sounds in his OT VIII bulletin, there is no doubt it is religious scripture. As demented as Scientology’s theology or technology are, it is a religion. As has been shown, it is a form of Luciferianism. Because of its debased, wicked or criminal sacraments, it is properly categorized as Black Luciferianism. Crowley, analogously, wrote that debased or wicked magick is properly classified as black magick. Black Luciferianism is perfectly compatible with Scientology’s rapacious commercialism, deceit, fraud, hate, human rights abuses, sociopathy, and criminality. Scientology is an evil, criminal religion, but still a religion because the Scientologists determined that it is religious, organized for purely religious purposes. Their denial of their organization’s Luciferianism and their attacks on people who expose its occult roots are indicators of its blackness.[/bcolor]​

    [bcolor=#e7e6de]In Scientology, crass merchandising, hard sell, deceit, fraud, hate, incarcerations, slavery, the destruction of human rights and persons, financial ruination, using the law to harass, black propaganda, and many other antisocial or criminal activities are religious exercise, or sacraments. The Scientologists lure good wogs into their cult with the wonderful promises of White Luciferianism, and then handle and hold them with Hubbard’s Black Luciferian “tech,” and do their damnedest to turn them into tough, dedicated, glaring Black Luciferians. While telling people their objective is to get everyone to “think for yourself,” the Scientologists compel cult personalities that must think as the cult head commands. Thinking for oneself or “other-intentionedness” is restrained and punished. While insisting that they are engendering virtuous or moral characters and behaviors in their members, the Scientologists actually instill the “valuable final products,” as they call them, of vanity, dishonesty, hypocrisy, perfidy, envy, pugnacity, malignity and pusillanimity.[/bcolor]​

    [bcolor=#e7e6de]The Scientologists hire bad or corrupt wogs, like Yingling, who are well aware of the cult’s blackness and criminality, to do evil, often under color of law, to the people the cult’s leaders want hated, suppressed and destroyed. These human targets are the decent, courageous people who stand up to the Scientologists and their wog collaborators and tell the truth about Hubbard, Scientology, Scientologists, their collaborators like Yingling, and their Black Luciferian tech and activities. The Scientologists’ undeserved IRS tax exemption inspirits and privileges the cult’s hierarchy to commit and make others commit evils and crimes, and gives them vast wealth to do so. This was the intended, achieved and unlawful goal of the Scientology-US-Yingling, et al. conspiracy. [/bcolor]​

  9. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    This is an excellent description and analysis, but I don't agree that Hubbard's, and now Miscavige's, Scientology was ever an authentic, sincere, religious institution.

    From what I've seen, Hubbard didn't really believe he was Buddha, and, behind the scenes, and even sometimes in lectures, expressed disdain for Buddhism.

    Basically, both Crowley and Hubbard thought Siddhartha Buddha was a "girlie man."

    Crowley despised religion.

    Toward the end of his life, Crowley weakened slightly, responding by letter to a flattering follower who wanted to make Crowley's Thelema a religion:

    "Call it a religion, then, if it so please your gracious majesty, but I confess to see what you will have gained by so doing, and I feel bound to add that you might easily cause a great deal of misunderstanding, and work a rather stupid kind of mischief."
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  10. Cat's Squirrel

    Cat's Squirrel Gold Meritorious Patron

    In Scientology terms, I think you'd say Crowley was "running his own case". He had a very strict religious upbringing in the Plymouth Brethren and, from what I've read from two of his biographers (Gerald Suster and Colin Wilson), seems to have spent most of his life rebelling against it.
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  11. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Perhaps, but the fact remains that, under Crowley, his group was not a religion, any more than Rosicrucianism, or Past Life Recall done by psychotherapists, or Yoga, or the Monroe institute, are religions.

    All Scientology has is fraudulent "religious" window dressing.
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  12. Zertel

    Zertel Patron

    Caroline - That's an amazing site you have. Wow!

    Regarding the Occult section I'm undecided if I should go over it in alphabetical order or get out my dowser and let it decide where to start.

  13. Red Valiant

    Red Valiant Patron with Honors

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  14. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    Ha ha ha! I dowsed for water with a forked willow stick when I was a kid. That had some workability, but now that I'm OT 5, I just ask Gerry's BTs.

    Thanks for the nice compliment.
  15. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    Wow, that's an interesting reference book. I don't think I'd seen it before.

    In case this is helpful, many of the Crowley books are online at [Alternatively,]
  16. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

    I thought OT VIII had some kabbalistic ideas about heirarchies and a chain of Being. The document did. I don't understand why it was posited as so fraught with warnings and disasters. Expansion of spirit is either futile or it's not. Kinda reminded me of Crowely's fabrications of Choronzon, eater of egos or souls, who weren't quite ready to cross the Abyss.

    The earliest LRH literature included notions of 'theta' or theta 'bodies' splitting. Not too much on this concept until later at OT VIII. I find that odd.
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  17. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    Here are a few definitions: Theta; Theta Being; Theta Body; Theta Bop; Theta Clear; Theta Clearing; Theta Force; Theta I; Theta Line; Theta-MEST Theory ; and Thetan

    Hatshepsut, I'm interested in the documents that include the notions of 'theta' or theta 'bodies' splitting; and also any kabbalistic or other documents that may relate to this. In particular, the notion of splitting is intriguing.
  18. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    does any of that really matter, for there are no clears or OT's.

    The concept of clear and OT is abstract. and so is hubbards definitions of theta line, theta, etc,
  19. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    Was there a rhetorical question in there? :flirt:
  20. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    no, rhetorical question is different.

    I never stated a rhetorical question, but a fact, that are no clears or OT's, it's a fact, no and's if's or but's about it.
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