Is there anything from Scientology you have found useful?
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Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
You have the patience of a saint. Luv ya, Bird.
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
and i got them...
in the second place, for the usual narcissistic reasons i got the result
and in the first place, for even worse narcissistic reasons...
SOMETHING KILLS MY BEST PAL SOMETHING GETS A DAMN BIG CHUNK TORE OUT OF IT'S GODDAM HINDQUARTERS
this just might save your life someday FB. or your momma's. or your daughter's. or your best friend's...
oh...
wait a minute...
people who say "who gives a fuck" tend to come up short on close friends don't they FB
(signed)
william birdwood
Free Being Me
Crusader
Wave all ya want
OT powers and early cancer detection with no laboratory or proof. 
I feel for your friend, which is more than you can do for Lisa McPherson.
Free Being Me
Crusader
I said
about your crocodile tears. They don't work and it's hilarious you admit to using them as a matter of influence. 
So much for the scio 'handling' smear. 
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Gottabrain
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you want to be a hard harsh critic go ahead but i hope you'll take what i write in favor of dianetics under advisment even if you are loathe to in any way admit it[/QUOTE]
Heya CB.
The whole "looking in" thing doesn't appeal to me. I was a very outgoing, social, free thinking, intelligent and focused person before scn. Of course, some of that is just youth, but I'd like to be completely rid of this whole looking in mindset once and for all and just look out all the time and judge based on what I see, like my life before scn.
A mental health therapy for those who don't need it can be extremely detrimental. The idea of "making the able more able" this way is not only untrue, it is terribly destructive. Churning up fabricated past lives to experience pain and get a person introverted is a horrible thing.
But that stuff aside -
I enjoy exscns, Indies - nearly all the people who ever joined scn because of certain traits we all shared that made it attractive - things like idealism, imagination and creativity and a strong desire to improve conditions and help others.
Someone wrote a 2013 prediction that the cult would go down and ESMB would become a reunion place sharing recipes (or something like that). I like that idea very much, but I'd like to share creativity, imagination, art, music and many other things with this very special group.
CB, I wish for you that you would credit yourself personally for your many good traits, compassion and imagination and one day realise what a wonderful person you are, and always would have been, and how much more you could (even now) be if not for scn. Scn sucked the very life force out of many of us and for some, continues to do so.
You are a good person and should take credit for that. L Ron didn't do that for you. YOU did that for you.
I have a bookmark that says, "It is never too late to become the person you were meant to be."
Last week I saw a vid about a man in his late 70s who finished grammar school for the first time - in Africa.
There were many things L Ron said that I agree with, some emphatically. And many with which I disagree, equally emphatically.
But one of the things he said that I will always hold close to my heart is this:
(paraphrased) when you believe another is responsible for your condition, you give your power to the other person.
That's not just true for negative things, it's true for positive things as well.
L Ron Hubbard is not responsible for you being a good person or your achievements or motivations in life. You would have had ups and downs just living, anyway, like we all do. You would have been who you are and achieved as much or more, anyway. That's all I'm saying. I wish all Indies and FZers would see that. (Some do)
L Ron Hubbard is not source. YOU are.
I look forward to many creative discussions and shares with you in the future, CB.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you.
TG1
Angelic Poster
Seriously, Smilla -- somewhere here long, long ago I understood you lived in the UK. Make that misunderstood. I'm sure I'd never be able to find what I read (or misread) that gave me that idea. For years now, I've imagined you staying up all night tapping on your keyboard posts here to ESMB. Well, then, (secret handshake), howdy there, fellow American.
Smilla
Ordinary Human
Well, then, (secret handshake), howdy there, fellow American.
Lol. I'm not American either, but I did do some of my schooling in England and work there quite a bit. I think that might be what you're thinking of.
Provide proof of the time, place and the professionals that you communicated your cancer detection method to. Provide the details of experiments you used to prove your method. Please provide links to all pair review articles, or library names where they hold these articles.
When someone claims to have discovered something of huge significance to the medical profession, surly they will have evidence.
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Gottabrain
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Re: L Ron Hubbard is not souRe: Is there anything from Scientology you have found use
The SO had power over me because I believed at the time that some knew better than I did. Eventually I learned to question and even deny my own judgement as flawed and deferred personal judgement to Hubbard or others.
Just like certain Indies who quote Hubbard instead of thinking about, judging a question against their personal experiences and lives and answering a question for and as themselves. They deny their personal judgement altogether by doing so and in so doing, deny their actual personal opinions as negligible and unimportant. They believe Hubbard was better than them, could run their lives better than they could - so no longer even try to think for themselves. Sad.
My experience taught me never to do that again. I'm willing to take well-meaning advice or information under advisement, verify and evaluate it, but I no longer believe anyone knows better about my goals, life, situation, concepts of right and wrong than I do. No preacher, friend, or anyone else can make better decisions than I can. It's my life and where it's gone wrong is where I allowed others to think for me and/or didn't stand up for myself.
The SO had power over me because I believed at the time that some knew better than I did. Eventually I learned to question and even deny my own judgement as flawed and deferred personal judgement to Hubbard or others.
Just like certain Indies who quote Hubbard instead of thinking about, judging a question against their personal experiences and lives and answering a question for and as themselves. They deny their personal judgement altogether by doing so and in so doing, deny their actual personal opinions as negligible and unimportant. They believe Hubbard was better than them, could run their lives better than they could - so no longer even try to think for themselves. Sad.
My experience taught me never to do that again. I'm willing to take well-meaning advice or information under advisement, verify and evaluate it, but I no longer believe anyone knows better about my goals, life, situation, concepts of right and wrong than I do. No preacher, friend, or anyone else can make better decisions than I can. It's my life and where it's gone wrong is where I allowed others to think for me and/or didn't stand up for myself.
AnonKat
Crusader
Re: L Ron Hubbard is not souRe: Is there anything from Scientology you have found use
That is how dictators are born, remember Mubarak of Egypt
That is how dictators are born, remember Mubarak of Egypt
Smilla
Ordinary Human
Re: L Ron Hubbard is not souRe: Is there anything from Scientology you have found use
That's the way I look at things too.
That's the way I look at things too.
Free Being Me
Crusader
I really like what you have to say here in your post Gottabrain. I agree with it and think it's very insightful. Hubbard didn't do anyone any favors and the quality of a person shouldn't be measured by his very short yard stick. The good and decency in a person is their own, hubbard fabricated those qualities as a lure to manipulate for his own purposes.
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Smilla
Ordinary Human
Gib just blew my mind on another thread with this comment. Follow the link for context.
My bold.
That's why half the supposed gains are from training. Training meaning reading the books and listening to the lectures gives you LRH's data on whole track events, imaginary incidents that you are to believe (mock-up in your mind) as true, but actually gets indoctrinated into your mind as true. Thus when you go in session, these mock-ups (also could be called imaginations given by LRH to you = evaluation on what to think) get recalled in session and of course your own imagination enters in because why the auditor never disagrees with you, the auditor just similes and says "got it", "thank you".
AnonKat
Crusader
Re: L Ron Hubbard is not souRe: Is there anything from Scientology you have found use
I feel you, I have been accused of being a psycopath by me therapist, I do not agree
The SO had power over me because I believed at the time that some knew better than I did. Eventually I learned to question and even deny my own judgement as flawed and deferred personal judgement to Hubbard or others.
Just like certain Indies who quote Hubbard instead of thinking about, judging a question against their personal experiences and lives and answering a question for and as themselves. They deny their personal judgement altogether by doing so and in so doing, deny their actual personal opinions as negligible and unimportant. They believe Hubbard was better than them, could run their lives better than they could - so no longer even try to think for themselves. Sad.
My experience taught me never to do that again. I'm willing to take well-meaning advice or information under advisement, verify and evaluate it, but I no longer believe anyone knows better about my goals, life, situation, concepts of right and wrong than I do. No preacher, friend, or anyone else can make better decisions than I can. It's my life and where it's gone wrong is where I allowed others to think for me and/or didn't stand up for myself.
I feel you, I have been accused of being a psycopath by me therapist, I do not agree
Free Being Me
Crusader
RolandRB
Rest in Peace
Not for long
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