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Operating DB

Truman Show Dropout
He was a nice guy according to what I've been told.

He was probably the sanest of the hubbard kids. A sweetheart. I can't imagine the horror of being one of hubbards kids. Let alone a gay one.
His sexual orientation was not due to Hubbard trying to abort him with a coat hanger.
The stupid theories people come up with for the causes of sexual orientation! There are no causes. It's as normal as heterosexuality and it's not a choice either. I know, because I'm the biggest fag around and my loving parents didn't try to abort me.
 

Xenu's Boyfriend

Silver Meritorious Patron
He was probably the sanest of the hubbard kids. A sweetheart. I can't imagine the horror of being one of hubbards kids. Let alone a gay one.
His sexual orientation was not due to Hubbard trying to abort him with a coat hanger.
The stupid theories people come up with for the causes of sexual orientation! There are no causes. It's as normal as heterosexuality and it's not a choice either. I know, because I'm the biggest fag around and my loving parents didn't try to abort me.

Mine either, Operating DB. Let's here it for Big Fags Against Scientology! To Quentin...it hurts that he killed himself when, like so many abused boys, he probably really wanted to kill his father, but so often we harm ourselves. For me, LRH's attitude about gays, that is still perpetuated today regardless of what the Church says in interviews, is one of Hubbard's greatest crimes against humanity.

Quentin was sent to the RPF after his first suicide attempt. He died on November 12, 1976 after another attempt where he was in a coma for two weeks and never regained consciousness.

This song may seem inappropriate for what I've just posted, but I want to celebrate Quentin - I hope someone tells his story one day. I dream of a gay community in the 70's that would have embraced him, danced with him (he wanted to be a dancer), made him laugh and feel valued in a way that his father never did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elIVoXUJ4V4

:happydance::party::heartflower::rose::rose::rose::hug:::rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Quentin wanted to be a Pilot more than anything else in the world. I, and others that knew him, have Posted about that here and elsewhere on the Net. :yes:

Face:)
 

Xenu's Boyfriend

Silver Meritorious Patron
Quentin wanted to be a Pilot more than anything else in the world. I, and others that knew him, have Posted about that here and elsewhere on the Net. :yes:

Face:)

Thank you, Face. I saw on Wikipedia that he had aspirations to do both, but perhaps they got it wrong. That's wonderful that you knew him. If there is a link to your post, or somewhere where I can find out more about him, please let me know.
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thank you, Face. I saw on Wikipedia that he had aspirations to do both, but perhaps they got it wrong. That's wonderful that you knew him. If there is a link to your post, or somewhere where I can find out more about him, please let me know.

"Q" was the affectionate nickname for Quentin of many folks in the Apollo Inner Circle. In nearly all my Posts I have referred to Quentin as “Q”. The ESMB search feature apparently will not allow me search simply by Q and I have made over 2,500 Posts. The main gist of my Posts re: Quentin are in the ones Linked below. The Thread that they appear on is not that long and may be of interest to you to read in its entirety.

During the Era of the Apollo Stars Dancers Q did develop a passing interest in dance...at the age of 19-20. He was absolutely entralled with airplanes and flying from childhood on, AFAIK.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...up-and-erasure&p=704364&viewfull=1#post704364

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...up-and-erasure&p=707392&viewfull=1#post707392

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...up-and-erasure&p=708340&viewfull=1#post708340

Face:)
 

Idle Morgue

Gold Meritorious Patron
I did find the experience of being part of the most evil Organization useful - I now can confront EVIL right in the face.

Scientology is evil beyond anyone's imagination! Hubbard was evil, Miscavige is evil and all of the people that stay in become like "them" - EVIL!

Only the sane get out! It is a bag of insane beings trying to be right! They don't even know anymore that the Organization is evil!

Hubbard was right about one piece of his tech (he did not make this up):

CRIMINAL MINDS THINK ALIKE - THEY THINK EVERYONE IS A "CRIM" so if you complain about the criminal activities (extortion, bribery, traps) Hubbard's tech teaches them to think like the Crim Hubbard - "If anyone criticises Scientology or David Miscavige - THEY ARE HIDING CRIMES" :whistling: Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. This organization has completely reversed its goals - and it is out to destroy everyone including its leaders - that is how this universe works - thank GOD!!!

Karma is a bitch David Miscavige - Karma is a real bitch!

That little turd El Con Hubbard - a clever turd at that!:yes:
 

Idle Morgue

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thank you, Face. I saw on Wikipedia that he had aspirations to do both, but perhaps they got it wrong. That's wonderful that you knew him. If there is a link to your post, or somewhere where I can find out more about him, please let me know.


Quentin killed himself because "Scientology KILLS" - plain and simple. If you think for one minute that Scientology is not responsible for all deaths - suicides and illnesses - you are dead wrong - no pun intended.:coolwink:

Look at what Hubbards says about his SP tech - "people who are failing in life, acting in a crippled manner"....are connected to a SP - and the Es Pee is Scientology, it's tech and it's leader - David Miscavige. "They get so "restimulated" that THEY CANNOT DETECT THE REAL SP":omg: :whistling::whistling::whistling::whistling::whistling:

So the 12 year old EO has you disconnect from mother, father, husband, wife, brother - anyone that thinks Scientology is a scam ....WTF people? WTF? There it is....using Hubbard's tech to detect the REAL ES PEE!!:happydance::happydance::happydance::happydance::happydance:

This would describe the active Scientologist - wether on
 
Quentin wanted to be a Pilot more than anything else in the world. I, and others that knew him, have Posted about that here and elsewhere on the Net. :yes:

Face:)

hi face,

something i've long wondered about is that just at the time Q went **** someone had written that he had gained the liberty to pursue pilot training and had begun the process

do you or anyone know anything about this?
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
hi face,

something i've long wondered about is that just at the time Q went **** someone had written that he had gained the liberty to pursue pilot training and had begun the process

do you or anyone know anything about this?

No, Commander...Maybe true but I dunno of it personally. IMO, his dash for Freedom was his attempt to gain the Liberty to do Pilot Training. His comatose body was discovered in a car next to an airport, IIRCC. :bigcry:

Q was auditing a full boat of PC's in the Flag HGC when he melted down and shortly thereafter split. No way he coulda been doing Pilot Training...the Flag HGC back then was packed to the rafters with L's PC's and Q was in high demand. :yes:

Face:)
 
It is this 'what is good about the subject 'that I do not agree with you on.

As I have previously stated I have given & received more than a minor amount of scn processing and with all my heart I believe there are things 1,000 faster than scn processing ( it is a slow boat to an unkown destination ).

I've said before, one can move a mountain with a teaspoon. It "works"

But a shovel "works" better than a teaspoon.

And so on up to a giant catapillar machine.

scn is a warped & bent teaspoon in a world of giant catapillar machines.

Ah, the old saying comes to mind " We do better when we learn better " and there really is much to learn that will do so much more real good than scn.

And, no, I don't mind at all you touting your belief in the "yech" ( typo intended ) but I will provide the truth about it to the readers : LRH used that stuff to make himself very wealthy & he never a shit about anybody , well, except how he could use them.

yeah...

it can be long and arduous

especially since CoS doesn't know it's ass from a hole in the ground about the tech

CoS at best is the blind leading the hard of hearing and is commonly a chop shop shearing sheep and munching on mutton

i have a fair grasp of basics, decent TR's and a feel for the ideal. of course much of what i do is out of judeochristian scripture (and the tao te ching, the upanishads, the talmud, mad magazine etc) and everything is always kept letterperfect vis-a-vis the hippopotamus oath and the treaty of guadalupe-hidalgo

but i also take some shotrcuts

please don't tell anyone O.T. is the abreviation for the Owsley Trail. that's off the record, on the q.t. and... uhhh... strictly hush-hush
 

Veda

Sponsor
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something i've long wondered about is that just at the time Q went **** someone had written that he had gained the liberty to pursue pilot training and had begun the process

do you or anyone know anything about this?

Never heard of it. Where did you hear it?

As a reminder, Quentin was 22, almost 23, years old. Yet, we're supposed to feel warm and fuzzy upon hearing of the idea that he had "gained the liberty" (been given permission) to pursue pilot training.

The poor man was driven to suicide by his father. There's nothing warm and fuzzy about it.
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Never heard of it. Where did you hear it?

As a reminder, Quentin was 22, almost 23, years old. Yet, we're supposed to feel warm and fuzzy upon hearing of the idea that he had "gained the liberty" (been given permission) to pursue pilot training.

The poor man was driven to suicide by his father. There's nothing warm and fuzzy about it.

:yes::angry::bigcry:
 
:yes:

you want to be a hard harsh critic go ahead but i hope you'll take what i write in favor of dianetics under advisment even if you are loathe to in any way admit it

Heya CB. :wave:

The whole "looking in" thing doesn't appeal to me. I was a very outgoing, social, free thinking, intelligent and focused person before scn. Of course, some of that is just youth, but I'd like to be completely rid of this whole looking in mindset once and for all and just look out all the time and judge based on what I see, like my life before scn.

A mental health therapy for those who don't need it can be extremely detrimental. The idea of "making the able more able" this way is not only untrue, it is terribly destructive. Churning up fabricated past lives to experience pain and get a person introverted is a horrible thing.

But that stuff aside -

I enjoy exscns, Indies - nearly all the people who ever joined scn because of certain traits we all shared that made it attractive - things like idealism, imagination and creativity and a strong desire to improve conditions and help others.

Someone wrote a 2013 prediction that the cult would go down and ESMB would become a reunion place sharing recipes (or something like that). I like that idea very much, but I'd like to share creativity, imagination, art, music and many other things with this very special group.

CB, I wish for you that you would credit yourself personally for your many good traits, compassion and imagination and one day realise what a wonderful person you are, and always would have been, and how much more you could (even now) be if not for scn. Scn sucked the very life force out of many of us and for some, continues to do so.

You are a good person and should take credit for that. L Ron didn't do that for you. YOU did that for you.

I have a bookmark that says, "It is never too late to become the person you were meant to be."

Last week I saw a vid about a man in his late 70s who finished grammar school for the first time - in Africa.

There were many things L Ron said that I agree with, some emphatically. And many with which I disagree, equally emphatically.

But one of the things he said that I will always hold close to my heart is this:

(paraphrased) when you believe another is responsible for your condition, you give your power to the other person.

That's not just true for negative things, it's true for positive things as well.

L Ron Hubbard is not responsible for you being a good person or your achievements or motivations in life. You would have had ups and downs just living, anyway, like we all do. You would have been who you are and achieved as much or more, anyway. That's all I'm saying. I wish all Indies and FZers would see that. (Some do)

L Ron Hubbard is not source. YOU are.

I look forward to many creative discussions and shares with you in the future, CB.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you. :biglove:[/QUOTE]

i'm much more inclined to credit god and my grandparents for my good traits

please...

try to understand this...

well yes, i do appreciate ron's work even if he had utter unalloyed venal motive. if so he did what he did with it. i do what i do with it. and the same for CoS and it long, deep and widely accounted on this board there have always been many very wonderful people in CoS along with several... ummm... very interesting people

but this, try to understand this:

i came out of fcdc with a REALLY NIFTY TOOLBOX FULL OF TOOLS!!!!

o boy!

and it's not the only toolbox i own and it's not the only toolbox i use

but WOW!

it's a rully, rully nifty toolbox

ok...

you and others didn't get on with the tools and you tossed 'em in the trash

no big thing...

free country...

(thank the next vet you see)

listen...

tarman was telling me one night back in the eighties when he buys a box of thirty reeds for his sazzzaphone he's lucky to get one decent playing reed out of it

probably the same proportion goes for a CLIV/V academy, one out of thirty who enter have real potential as an auditor (who is the chained to a meter pumped for all he or she is worth, fucked, burned out, provoked to rage, branded a "flaming SP" and shitcanned. standard 19th century capitalism. works great! "dad manufactures the condoms. sis pokes a hole with a pin. mother performs the abortions. mygod how the money rolls in... rolls in... rolls in... my god how the money rolls in.") but the training is geared for a gorilla so you can get many to perform a rote procedure which even at that, can often produce good or occaisionally spectacular results

but ya got that?

i got me a nifty toolbox

i use it

i'm gonna keep usin' it
 
Never heard of it. Where did you hear it?

As a reminder, Quentin was 22, almost 23, years old. Yet, we're supposed to feel warm and fuzzy upon hearing of the idea that he had "gained the liberty" (been given permission) to pursue pilot training.

The poor man was driven to suicide by his father. There's nothing warm and fuzzy about it.

veda, your thinking is little bit fuzzy
 

Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
i'm an auditor and should refrain from inval and eval.

Hey Bird, since you brought up the Auditor's Code, perhaps you can answer a question for me. The last line of the code reads:
I promise to refuse to admit to the ranks of practitioners any being who is insane.

Being that there is presently no official organization or regulating authority (that I am aware of) among the non-CoS auditors, how would you apply that part of the Auditor's Code?

It seems to me that if Charles Manson (an EX-Scientologist) got out of prison today there is nothing stopping him from setting up shop as an auditor and begin advertising for clients.
 
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