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Hey Bird, since you brought up the Auditor's Code, perhaps you can answer a question for me. The last line of the code reads:


Being that there is presently no official organization or regulating authority (that I am aware of) among the non-CoS auditors, how would you apply that part of the Auditor's Code?

It seems to me that if Charles Manson (an EX-Scientologist) got out of prison today there is nothing stopping him from setting up shop as an auditor and begin advertising for clients.

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!

well, to apply that i suppose i'd have to see to it we were all hanged

entering auditor training would appear to be proof of insanity

(chuckle)

more seriously, it is superb idea in theory and as dark and stormy as this temporal world has ever been it is not meaningless in practice. yes, functonal psychopaths need but pony up the price of admission to enter an academy but most are soon gone. truth is, if someone is very sane, highly intelligent, well experienced and educated with a refined ethos and a high purpose on helping others they must be very sly to slither amongst the CoS gargoyles long enough to really learn something
 
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Provide proof of the time, place and the professionals that you communicated your cancer detection method to. Provide the details of experiments you used to prove your method. Please provide links to all pair review articles, or library names where they hold these articles.

When someone claims to have discovered something of huge significance to the medical profession, surly they will have evidence.

please reread the story

it should be obvious i cannot provide any demonstration of a connection between my research and the result which was obtained

and not only do i not expect anyone to believe me i far prefer to converse with those who maintain a healthy skepticism than with the gullible

I

have a healthy skepticism about this

i don't know for certain what i did had any influence on the MGH team

but...

my research was good research and i could make predictions from my findings. those predictions were fulfilled to the letter. i have no regret i did not write them up and use the post office to have a sealed and dated "poorboy copyright". i feel no need to prove anything. i have no need for recognition or recompense.

what IS important is the result

and i am grateful to those who respect me for a love of truth
 
please reread the story

it should be obvious i cannot provide any demonstration of a connection between my research and the result which was obtained

and not only do i not expect anyone to believe me i far prefer to converse with those who maintain a healthy skepticism than with the gullible

I

have a healthy skepticism about this

i don't know for certain what i did had any influence on the MGH team

but...

my research was good research and i could make predictions from my findings. those predictions were fulfilled to the letter. i have no regret i did not write them up and use the post office to have a sealed and dated "poorboy copyright". i feel no need to prove anything. i have no need for recognition or recompense.

what IS important is the result

and i am grateful to those who respect me for a love of truth

computer time ended a click too soon again, just to finish up...

take a look in the opening of the story which is my post from page 8 on this thread. many readers on this board (hi claire! tiggy! smila! et. al.) trust me to act in good faith when i post and expect of me that when i am presenting material fact, i.e. my friend died. i did research. i did a material act to create a comm line, that i am speaking simple truth and that when i write of intangibles a similar honesty is observed

do you follow?
 
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Gottabrain

Guest
i'm much more inclined to credit god and my grandparents for my good traits

Glad to hear that, but I've not heard you say it on here before, and I still haven't heard you credit yourself for anything yet. How 'bout it? :yes:

please...

try to understand this...

i came out of fcdc with a REALLY NIFTY TOOLBOX FULL OF TOOLS!!!!

o boy!

and it's not the only toolbox i own and it's not the only toolbox i use

but WOW!

it's a rully, rully nifty toolbox

ok...

you and others didn't get on with the tools and you tossed 'em in the trash

....
but ya got that?

i got me a nifty toolbox

i use it

i'm gonna keep usin' it

CB, I got it.

I've never said you shouldn't. Please don't read into my words. Defensiveness can be quite a barrier to communication and duplication.

Me, I've never had much success with those tools that do everything, they always break on me. Seems to me, some brands are better than others but that brand doesn't make every tool better than everyone else.

Still, people have preferences and they become accustomed to doing things a certain way. I knew an accountant who never used a computer but could hand-write a spreadsheet breakdown with a pencil as fast as ANYone could do the same thing with a computer. And he'd be perfectly accurate, too.

The tools and their success depends on the belief as well as the experience and skill of the person using them. But that wasn't my point, either.

My point was taking credit for your own accomplishments. Being cause over your own life and knowing that you are the one running things and doing things for yourself, whether you are choosing and holding a tool or writing poetry. It means trusting yourself, giving yourself a second chance if that's what it takes, but liking yourself enough to trust your own judgement.

That is my ONLY point. It IS what L Ron first said, first promoted. It IS what got us excited about Scn. And then the cause point drifted and the brainwashing began.

I KNOW the point where nearly all of us let Hubbard do our thinking for us and gave credit to Ron for every good thing that happened, then blamed ourselves for "not following Ron" when something bad happened.

That's not cause. That's not free thinking.

Commander, let me reassure you that I have very close Indy friends as well as close FZ friends, fully out and never-been-ins and heaps that don't fit in any of those categories.

They don't talk about Scn all day long, but we have our occasional discussions. Some believe in past lives, some don't, some are Christians, some have even written those novelette doubt formulas and posted them on Marty's blog. :puke2:

They are my friends because THEY are the centers of their lives. Not Ron, not Jesus. THEY run their lives. THEY are cause, THEY are source for all their actions and inactions, decisions or indecisions and for their thoughts.

Maybe you are, too. But I'd like to hear it. I'd like to see you take credit for yourself and be your own center of your life, your own center of your own thoughts. I'd like to see that light in you grow brighter and bigger.

Get it?

Sheila
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
why can't we live in a world where, despite our differences, we all get along?

XB I'll take a stab at that. Sometimes our "differences" are destructive on a wide path like Hitler or a smallish path like Charlie Manson.

WTF would I want to overcome my differences with those people - and once one really sees what scn has done, is doing, & will do, uh, would even remotely suggest I - or anyone - "get along" with evil?

Let me give a clue to what happened for me.... I was sitting knowing I was going to be given ethics conditions from a very young very in ( not toexperienced EO & told to do them. I knew whatever I was going to be given was a wrong condition & a wrong indication and I was going to be directed ( thought for - if you will ) what & how to do 'em. It would surely come a cropper & I, gee, I'd be responsible for the condition I was in & the EO would wash his hands of "my mess I made " & never liook back or give it another thought. Then & there I decided if I was responsible for the condition I was in then no one but me would make decisions regarding me & my life.

This began the peeling of my own personal onion of me & scientology.

No, I have no interest in trying to just get along with scientology.

And on an individual level, I am not going to make any effort to get just get along with those tout scientology or make excuses for it.

I will speak up & just like the "church" could declare me for speaking my mind, so can ESMB ban if they so chose. ESMB has no obligation to just try to get along with me -LOL !
 

Xenu's Boyfriend

Silver Meritorious Patron
XB I'll take a stab at that. Sometimes our "differences" are destructive on a wide path like Hitler or a smallish path like Mason.

Why the fuck would I want to overcome my differences with those people - and once one really sees what scn has done, is doing, & will do, uh, would even remotely suggest I - or anyone - "get along" with evil?

Let me give a clue to what happened for me.... I was sitting knowing I was going to be given ethics conditions from a very young very inexperienced EO & told to do them. I knew whatever I was going to be given was a wrong condition & a wrong indication and I was going to be directed ( thought for - if you will ) what & how to do 'em. It would surely come a cropper & I, gee, I'd be responsible for the condition I was in & the EO would wash his hands of "my mess I made " & never liook back or give it another thought. Then & there I decided if I was responsible for the condition I was in then no one but me would make decisions regarding me & my life.

This began the peeling of my own personal onion of me & scientology.

No, I have no interest in trying to just get along with scientology.

And on an individual level, I am not going to make any effort to get just get along with those tout scientology or make excuses for it.

I will speak up & just like the "church" could declare me for speaking my mind, so can ESMB ban if they so chose. ESMB has no obligation to just try to get along with me -LOL !


Damn, Auditor's Toad, you really let me have it. Jesus Christ. That's the last time I post a kitty and a puppy frolicking again, ever.

I get your point but I wasn't exactly asking why Mary Poppins and Charles Manson couldn't meet for coffee at Starbucks... (maybe I was....) Anyway, I think getting along doesn't mean that we have to agree with each other, I definitely learned that in this forum. And I would never ask you to get along with Scientology or those who continue to profit from it or perpetrate it onto others. I respect that fact that you got out and took care of yourself, and I can relate to your rage. I wanted to say that there is place where we can all meet, but it is hard if someone is brainwashed and won't listen to what you have to say.

I see your point.

Maybe we can't all get along.

Fuck it.
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
Damn, Auditor's Toad, you really let me have it. Jesus Christ. That's the last time I post a kitty and a puppy frolicking again, ever.

I get your point but I wasn't exactly asking why Mary Poppins and Charles Manson couldn't meet for coffee at Starbucks... (maybe I was....) Anyway, I think getting along doesn't mean that we have to agree with each other, I definitely learned that in this forum. And I would never ask you to get along with Scientology or those who continue to profit from it or perpetrate it onto others. I respect that fact that you got out and took care of yourself, and I can relate to your rage. I wanted to say that there is place where we can all meet, but it is hard if someone is brainwashed and won't listen to what you have to say.

I see your point.

Maybe we can't all get along.

Fuck it.

LOL !

It remains there are some things I will not truck with.

It's not rage just a flat not going there.

When pushed will I push back the same ?

No.

I 'll push back harder.

( BTW my post was no diected at you as I like you, it was directed at the "can't we all just get along"
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
Lol (re Mary Poppins and Charlie Manson meeting for coffee) ...

You know what? We do all get along ... this is us 'getting along' and we are probably one of the most unusual groups of people in existence because most of us are saying what we mean (and owning it).

If push ever came to shove I'd bet money that we would suddenly morph into one cohesive/all inclusive group and take care of each other ... then get back to the business at hand as soon as possible.


:coolwink:
 

Gib

Crusader
Damn, Auditor's Toad, you really let me have it. Jesus Christ. That's the last time I post a kitty and a puppy frolicking again, ever.

I get your point but I wasn't exactly asking why Mary Poppins and Charles Manson couldn't meet for coffee at Starbucks... (maybe I was....) Anyway, I think getting along doesn't mean that we have to agree with each other, I definitely learned that in this forum. And I would never ask you to get along with Scientology or those who continue to profit from it or perpetrate it onto others. I respect that fact that you got out and took care of yourself, and I can relate to your rage. I wanted to say that there is place where we can all meet, but it is hard if someone is brainwashed and won't listen to what you have to say.

I see your point.

Maybe we can't all get along.

Fuck it.

A little off topic, but

Here's another "Bridge to Freedom" you may not be aware of. Note the time when stated and hubbards "Bridge to total freedom" start date.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bridge_to_Freedom
 

Free Being Me

Crusader
<Snip>No, I have no interest in trying to just get along with scientology.

I agree. Being complacent regarding a mind twist mafia cult that I have personally experienced isn't going to happen. I will speak out and continue to do so that others don't fall for the con. I wont be bullied, shamed, misdirected or convinced that my speaking up is wrong or should be compromised to please the few that find it uncomfortable. (Not directed at you personally XBF, it's my general feeling on the matter)

:scnsucks:
 
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Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
I agree. Being complacent regarding a mind twist mafia cult that I have personally experienced isn't going to happen. I will speak out and continue to do so that others don't fall for the con. I wont be bullied, shamed, misdirected or convinced that my speaking up is wrong or should be compromised to please the few that find it uncomfortable. (Not directed at you personally XBF, it's my general feeling on the matter)

:scnsucks:

Much, much better expression of what I was trying to express !
Thanks you !
 
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Xenu's Boyfriend

Silver Meritorious Patron
I agree. Being complacent regarding a mind twist mafia cult that I have personally experienced isn't going to happen. I will speak out and continue to do so that others don't fall for the con. I wont be bullied, shamed, misdirected or convinced that my speaking up is wrong or should be compromised to please the few that find it uncomfortable. (Not directed at you personally XBF, it's my general feeling on the matter)

:scnsucks:

Let me be absolutely clear. No offensive taken and I'm right there with you. I support you and Auditor's Toad 800% in your fight against the church.

Full disclosure: I just wanted a reason to post that puppy and that kitty because I thought they were cute. I think my message should have been: not why can't we all get along, but there are some things, not matter how much evil there is the world, that people can't control. And that's the beauty of newborn life, living things loving each other, kindness and camaraderie. Maybe I'm saying, love will never die, love lives on. (Cue a Celine Dion song here.)

Oh God, this is getting triter by the minute. I hope no one is reaching for a bucket. I really meant well.....

Forget it: Just look at the goddamn puppy and kitty and be happy!
 
Glad to hear that, but I've not heard you say it on here before, and I still haven't heard you credit yourself for anything yet. How 'bout it? :yes:



CB, I got it.

I've never said you shouldn't. Please don't read into my words. Defensiveness can be quite a barrier to communication and duplication.

Me, I've never had much success with those tools that do everything, they always break on me. Seems to me, some brands are better than others but that brand doesn't make every tool better than everyone else.

Still, people have preferences and they become accustomed to doing things a certain way. I knew an accountant who never used a computer but could hand-write a spreadsheet breakdown with a pencil as fast as ANYone could do the same thing with a computer. And he'd be perfectly accurate, too.

The tools and their success depends on the belief as well as the experience and skill of the person using them. But that wasn't my point, either.

My point was taking credit for your own accomplishments. Being cause over your own life and knowing that you are the one running things and doing things for yourself, whether you are choosing and holding a tool or writing poetry. It means trusting yourself, giving yourself a second chance if that's what it takes, but liking yourself enough to trust your own judgement.

That is my ONLY point. It IS what L Ron first said, first promoted. It IS what got us excited about Scn. And then the cause point drifted and the brainwashing began.

I KNOW the point where nearly all of us let Hubbard do our thinking for us and gave credit to Ron for every good thing that happened, then blamed ourselves for "not following Ron" when something bad happened.

That's not cause. That's not free thinking.

Commander, let me reassure you that I have very close Indy friends as well as close FZ friends, fully out and never-been-ins and heaps that don't fit in any of those categories.

They don't talk about Scn all day long, but we have our occasional discussions. Some believe in past lives, some don't, some are Christians, some have even written those novelette doubt formulas and posted them on Marty's blog. :puke2:

They are my friends because THEY are the centers of their lives. Not Ron, not Jesus. THEY run their lives. THEY are cause, THEY are source for all their actions and inactions, decisions or indecisions and for their thoughts.

Maybe you are, too. But I'd like to hear it. I'd like to see you take credit for yourself and be your own center of your life, your own center of your own thoughts. I'd like to see that light in you grow brighter and bigger.

Get it?

Sheila

well golly, i am glad you don't hold the bombastic boasting of the research story against me...

no, i give myself a pat on the back often. i think others should at least respect me for having been a hardworking guy most of my life. i have achieved much in my life and thing of which i am most proud is this: one night a few years ago i had a old cab for my shift and it had a spring sticking up through the back seat and it gave one of my customers a scratch on his rump. in thirtyeight years of big city hacking that is the only physical injury sustained by the tens of thousands passengers i have served

sweetheart, i'm an artist and should be locked in a cage with a sign reading "please don't feed the ego"

and ALL that is good about me derives from the good instruction and good example of others. but yes, i do choose to accept the instruction and follow the example

same as you
 
Well, it'd be a little difficult to elect her to Congress, given that she's a Brit.

(Unless you have dual citizenship, Smilla ... ?)

TG1

she could get naturalized and qualify

of course, COAS UK is church of anglican science just as down under it's church of australian science. both entirely autonomous though CG is pleased if any englishspeaking readers attend what proceeds from the office of CG. borders are not meaningless but they should not hamper us. if a formal deliberative body should form she would likely be deemed qualified by written bylaw. and she has studied the material and is willing to concede an honest practioner can get some result. good enough for me. if she wishes the CG pro tem to address her as Senator i would recognize her informal election by acclamation. it does appear her seat should be located on the left side of the aisle
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
she could get naturalized and qualify

of course, COAS UK is church of anglican science just as down under it's church of australian science. both entirely autonomous though CG is pleased if any englishspeaking readers attend what proceeds from the office of CG. borders are not meaningless but they should not hamper us. if a formal deliberative body should form she would likely be deemed qualified by written bylaw. and she has studied the material and is willing to concede an honest practioner can get some result. good enough for me. if she wishes the CG pro tem to address her as Senator i would recognize her informal election by acclamation. it does appear her seat should be located on the left side of the aisle

Lol! I'm not a Brit, but I do love the place!
 

Idle Morgue

Gold Meritorious Patron
I found this useful:

If I want to say to someone "shut the fuck up" but don't want to be rude ~

I use my $58,000 worth of training I had in Scientology ~

I say: "OKAY, GOOD! FAIR ENOUGH! I GOT IT!"

That really works!:happydance::happydance::happydance::happydance:
:happydance::happydance::happydance::happydance:
 
I found this useful:

If I want to say to someone "shut the fuck up" but don't want to be rude ~

I use my $58,000 worth of training I had in Scientology ~

I say: "OKAY, GOOD! FAIR ENOUGH! I GOT IT!"

That really works!:happydance::happydance::happydance::happydance:
:happydance::happydance::happydance::happydance:

i had a different experience

'71-'72 in SF i spent less than $2000 for HAS, student, hsdc and a meter

lived in a large sunny room with two staff and another student for $12.50 a month and ate on food stamps

had a ball

in cambridge mystic blew through and caught me in his slipstream so i got a paid internship at fcdc signed on white&gold, picked up CLIV hgds levitated to the big apple and have been using auditing skills to good and sometimes spectacular result ever since...

2007 read coreydon and discovered internet
 
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