Isaac Hayes death being questioned

EP - Ethics Particle

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Welcome!

It's terrible that my auto pilot leaps to blame whenever I hear of the death of anyone connected to the Co$.

I liked Isaac Hayes, he became an icon to a new generation after the best of his musical career was over, through South Park. Something about his leaving the show bothered me, obviously we all knew why he left, but it gave me a bad feeling.

I didn't know anything about his stroke, but with hindsight it all makes sense and its devastating to think that with proper care he could have recovered.

Good post!

Welcome "Shifter" what kind of "Shape" are you in today? :duh: :dieslaughing:

Love, and we've got your back here. :yes: :thumbsup:

Roy, the EP's EP
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
Well, I was never told all drugs were evil, at least not in HCOBs or any "Source" stuffies. I had two operations when I was in CofS and all anyone did was wish me well.

It does depend on the org or AO, though.

But anything smacking of the "psych" in their estimation is going to be a no no.
 

sandygirl

Silver Meritorious Patron
I know one thing for certain. Before the "exhaustion" episode, Isaac Hayes was being regged heavily for TWTH. He spent major $$$$$ on books with his picture on the cover to be distributed in poorer neighborhoods.

I mean MAJOR $$$$$$!!!!
 

byte301

Crusader
Welcome from me as well!!

Ok, I just read that the sheriff's department said he likely had another stroke. They aren't doing an autopsy so we'll never know for sure.:no:
 

NonScio

Patron Meritorious
It is a pretty well established medical statistic that black
men have a statistically higher chance of dying of a
heart attack or stroke than white men or of the U.S.
population in general. I would suppose there are all sorts
of possible reasons for this.
Traditional fatty "soul food" may be a factor. The stress of
living in ghettos and high crime areas may be another.
General poverty and lack of health care access is most likely
a contributing factor.

Issac Hayes dosent fit these "reason" categories. Except
for his possible overindulgence in soul food, Hayes dosent
fit the profile of the average American 65 yo black man.
He was neither poor nor lived in a ghetto. He could afford
medical care and the medications which would have controlled
his propensity to stroke. There are even common OTC Health
store items (CQ-10?) which wouild have helped. My guess is
Hayes didn't avail himself of any of these life saving options.
The "church" most likely told him not to.

Not much different than the Jehovah's Witness who lets his
child die for lack of a blood transfussion; the snake handler
"church" member who dies from untreated snake bite.

One could make a bad joke about "different strokes for different
folks", in Hayes' case the stroke wasn't "all in his mind" as
per Hubbardese, it was in his brain and it killed him.

Maybe Hayes got off easy...a nice sudden death. No respirators,
no lying for months in a hospital bed, no dying by little increments.
Sudden and merciful. Not like so many long time scientologists who seem
to have an overwhelming tilt towards cancer as the mode by which nature
mocks Hubbard's promises of super health and immortality.
 

byte301

Crusader
It is a pretty well established medical statistic that black
men have a statistically higher chance of dying of a
heart attack or stroke than white men or of the U.S.
population in general. I would suppose there are all sorts
of possible reasons for this.
Traditional fatty "soul food" may be a factor. The stress of
living in ghettos and high crime areas may be another.
General poverty and lack of health care access is most likely
a contributing factor.

Issac Hayes dosent fit these "reason" categories. Except
for his possible overindulgence in soul food, Hayes dosent
fit the profile of the average American 65 yo black man.
He was neither poor nor lived in a ghetto. He could afford
medical care and the medications which would have controlled
his propensity to stroke. There are even common OTC Health
store items (CQ-10?) which wouild have helped. My guess is
Hayes didn't avail himself of any of these life saving options.
The "church" most likely told him not to.

Not much different than the Jehovah's Witness who lets his
child die for lack of a blood transfussion; the snake handler
"church" member who dies from untreated snake bite.

One could make a bad joke about "different strokes for different
folks", in Hayes' case the stroke wasn't "all in his mind" as
per Hubbardese, it was in his brain and it killed him.

Maybe Hayes got off easy...a nice sudden death. No respirators,
no lying for months in a hospital bed, no dying by little increments.
Sudden and merciful. Not like so many long time scientologists who seem
to have an overwhelming tilt towards cancer as the mode by which nature
mocks Hubbard's promises of super health and immortality.

Yes, he went fast and that was probably a blessing. I'd rather go like that then linger on and on in pain like cancer patients. I have a feeling we will see more and more of these cases from the cult. Someday they'll probably do a study on it.:no:
 

Takin Time

Patron with Honors
A horrible thought - what if he was re-doing a Purif? :omg:
Nonsense. If he was doing a Purif, he would be supervised; he would not have been alone.

And besides, the cult doesn't want lawsuits and does not accept people with serious medical conditions to do the Purif.

Geez, there are a lot more remunerative things the cult could use to extract money from Hayes, besides a measley $1200 or so for a stupid Purif.
 
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