Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Whatever she says, you got your message in. It might currently be filed in her mental trash bin, but if you were once close she won't ever forget it.
One day....
Paul
One day....
Paul
Michelle, your escape is the BEST part of your story....................
No I don't think you and your spouse are paranoid freaks. I KNOW your Org went lookin for you. Isn't it amazing that your story is typical. That's the strange part for me to wrap my wits around. I thought my history in Scientology was unique. Here I find out we all went trough pretty much the same shit.....amazing. This isn't to make less of anyone's stuff. My Gosh so many of you have survived just horrific injustices and abuses. It's just..... well.... I don't know....I guess I thought I was special. LOL.
Thanks, GT. I can't wait for YOU to continue YOUR story, as well, you know!
You know, our escape WAS harrowing...(mentally, emotionally)...and the kicker was when we reduced ourselves to literally HIDING when they (our Chasers) walked around the ENTIRE HOUSE, looking in EVERY WINDOW!?
I was hiding under a bed and hubby hid in the bathtub in the bathroom!
Jeeez.....
It was in those moments, we felt like we escaped from a cult.....(and then part of us felt like we were worthless worms for 'running away' from them, too.....you know the inner torture ex's put themselves thru...
THAT's why we're NEVER put ourselves into that position, again!
Thanks, GT. I can't wait for YOU to continue YOUR story, as well, you know!
You know, our escape WAS harrowing...(mentally, emotionally)...and the kicker was when we reduced ourselves to literally HIDING when they (our Chasers) walked around the ENTIRE HOUSE, looking in EVERY WINDOW!?
I was hiding under a bed and hubby hid in the bathtub in the bathroom!
Jeeez.....
It was in those moments, we felt like we escaped from a cult.....(and then part of us felt like we were worthless worms for 'running away' from them, too.....you know the inner torture ex's put themselves thru...
THAT's why we're NEVER put ourselves into that position, again!
Michelle, O Wisened One, I'm sorry but I just find it almost funny. I'm laughing at myself, too, as much as the circumstances. It's funny how serious we were at the time and how much we would invalidate ourselves. But you know, tempt us with immortality and we're bound to think and do all sorts of things.
Michelle, O Wisened One, I'm sorry but I just find it almost funny. I'm laughing at myself, too, as much as the circumstances. It's funny how serious we were at the time and how much we would invalidate ourselves. But you know, tempt us with immortality and we're bound to think and do all sorts of things.
You know, our escape WAS harrowing...(mentally, emotionally)...and the kicker was when we reduced ourselves to literally HIDING when they (our Chasers) walked around the ENTIRE HOUSE, looking in EVERY WINDOW!?
I was hiding under a bed and hubby hid in the bathtub in the bathroom!
Jeeez.....
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I know it wasn't funny for you all at the time, but this image NOW, from the viewpoint of an audience, is hilarious!
It belongs in that great dark comedy film that someone will soon make about the cult and all its associated fanaticism...
Sea Org security officers in uniform, convinced they are the REAL police on a level with the DEA or the FBI, instead of bullet-proof vests they are outfitted with earmuffs to protect them against hearing any entheta or "confidential" material, creeping up in darkness, exchanging hand signals as they surround the house, peering through windows with special periscope cameras...
I see Will Farrel as Chief Security Officer, Tea Leoni as his second in command (her juniors address her as SIR! YES SIR!)...
Can't wait!
TMA:
Thanks for sharing more of your story, looking forward to more!
And I DO believe what you say about Cat Fox. I'm sure she had a nice side (seen a hint of it here and there)....especially when any of us are were wearing our Auditor Hats. She probably changed while on the OEC/FEBC and maybe met DM and was aspiring to be like him or something....
And I've heard that the FPRD is awesome (I was supposedly on set-ups for it then my CCRD when we left Staff)....
More, please? It's so great to hear about how Miami was doing in the years before we were there.....
Did you know the Blairs? (Betsy and Bob Blair). Betsy was my PES, really nice lady! Chain-smoked and had a voice so low and gravelly, it sounded almost male....but we loved her! Bob Blair was nice too....but....I rarely dealt with him....
Post more asap!!!
How in the world can DM or anyone say Scientology is expanding?
Yes, I knew the Blairs. More accurately, I knew of the Blairs. At the time I was on staff, I'm thinking only Betsy was on staff. I know Bob was on staff at times, too. Not sure; maybe she was a reg? I don't think I actually ever really talked to her - maybe small talk; and yes, she seemed really nice - very energetic and fun. Now here's something a lot of people can't understand - the Miami Org was so big at the time, that there were lots of staff I never had the occasion to talk to; never really met. We just weren't on each other's lines. There were just so many staff! Between full and part timers, there must have been, as a guess, 150 to 175 staff members. Rather strange compared to a lot of the Class V Orgs now-a-day's huh? That is, with a lot fewer people now. How in the world can DM or anyone say Scientology is expanding?
Yeah probably it was only Betsy on Staff at that time...and Bob I think was foundation Staff when we were in...
She was our PES, so not sure what post she might've held when you were there.
And I've heard so many stories of how full and busy the Org was in the 80's there. It must've been a lot of fun then, not so much pressure, perhaps? (Except for when your Int Finance Police and GO stuff started)...
By the time hubby and I joined..(He was on Staff about 4-6 months when I joined)...there were about 80-85 Staff...I can't remember how much it had dwindled to by the time we left...nor how many there are now. (Would love to know!). But something tells me, it's probably pretty small.
We should bat more names back and forth sometime (by PM if you prefer)...
Just off the top of my head. Miami Org circa 1981-1983:
Jim and Michelle Cormier (Qual and Sup)
Candice Cormier (her hubby had already died of cancer in his 30's I think)-(didn't know or meet/see the Cormiers)
Bob Levy (formerly D of P then ED for while then who knows)-(Loved working with Bob and Toni Levy! Toni was in HCO/Receptionist when we were there in the 90's..Bob..was Div 6 Course Sup off and on during our time there).
Dave Tropf ED-(Never met/saw him, must've left before we got there)
Jeff and Maria McCord (Qual and CS)-(don't think met/know them)
Lisa Figeuroa (Witt now) CS-(Always liked Lisa and Mark, think they are still there and think she is still Snr C/S?)
Fred Figeuroa (sp?)-(Great guy!! He was my SSO, think they are off Staff and Public in Cleawater area, now)
Leah Abady (reg)-(Leah was a Div 2 Reg when we were there, but was taken off lines for a while due to suppossed financial out-ethics, then was finally restored as Div 2 Reg near the time we left)
Cecelia Maddigan (treasury)-(Sweet girl. Still has her Loooong hair and was STILL in Treasury when we left....I think she still does Treas here and there, but Joy Murphy now has that post. (former Nanny when we were in).
Gary Botteroff (asshole per KR's) OES-(Think he's still that post...he used to have a roofing company and many of the local scn's/staff worked for him until he was forced to get rid of them due to some policy for employing Staff...I even lived with him and his wife KB for a couple months...off post, Gary could be a nice guy, but on post...he was always sort of a hard ass....)
Kathy Botteroff Auditor-(Nice lady the few times I'd spoken to her...)
Glenn and Jackie Real (D of P, don't know)-(didn't know them)
Sue Vespi LC-(She is now ED, became ED right before we left...she was always nice to me....but don't know her too well).
Guerromo Perez EO-(really sweet and HANDSOME guy! He was in HCO when we were there....)
Don Pfendler (ran field offices)-(name doesn't ring a bell)
Darrell Kirkland sup-(name sounds familiar, but don't think I met him)
Mark Witt (some tech post)-(nice guy...I think he's still there)
Sharon Maddigan auditor-(was she Celia's and KB's mom? She died shortly after we joined Staff)
Tim Huff auditor-(name doesn't ring a bell)
Sam(atha) (wow;was one of my roomates; can't remember her last name! maybe Darling?)-(name doesn't ring a bell)
Dave (other roommate; can't remember his last name either!) worked telex
machines.-(Dave?...Hm....what'd he look like? We knew a Dave Tomlinson...tall, lanky guy, very nice, soft-spoken guy? I liked him, he was my M-1 auditor. Worked in Purif area when we were there)
Karl Anderson-(name doesn't ring a bell)
Nancy Anderson (think that was her name; was Karl's sister or Mom's name) reg area-(name doesn't ring a bell..unless maybe it was Nancy Caulkins?)
Tom Maddigan auditor-(nice guy, he was our wedding photographer...he was still an Auditor when we were there...married Celia Madigan...sadly, he died of a sudden heart attack just a few years ago)
George Alvarez auditor-(name sounds familiar...)
Candy Cormier (not same as above, red head - sup)-(didn't know Cormiers)
Roberta ???? course admin died of cancer around '82 I think;low on bridge.
Lance Dean course admin
Norman Vespie-(he was there when we were..then he blew and then came back on post like two years later...not sure if he's still there)
Cathy Fox-ICK! Was our ED and a hitler-esque one at that! Very few of us slept or ate much while we were under her!
Charlie Fox-(Great guy! He was FSM I/C and worked with him quite a bit, since hubby and I were Div 6'ers...he and Cat Fox were married for a few years....don't know where he is now...)
Did you know a Claire Jeans? She was Qual when we were there....
Sadly, she died of Lung Cancer about five or so years ago now...I never minded her, but others thought she was a beyotch....
Did you know the word-clearer, Sheila? (last name escapes me at the moment). Always liked her,but others had issues with her attitude....
I agree with you, nearly all the Staff were great people!
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Just off the top of my head. Miami Org circa 1981-1983:
Bob Levy (formerly D of P then ED for while then who knows)-(Loved working with Bob and Toni Levy! Toni was in HCO/Receptionist when we were there in the 90's..Bob..was Div 6 Course Sup off and on during our time there). Yes; Bob and Toni were super nice!
Fred Figeuroa (sp?)-(Great guy!! He was my SSO, think they are off Staff and Public in Cleawater area, now) Fred is one of the funniest people I ever met.
Cecelia Maddigan (treasury)-(Sweet girl. Still has her Loooong hair and was STILL in Treasury when we left....I think she still does Treas here and there, but Joy Murphy now has that post. (former Nanny when we were in). Cecilia helped keep me going when I routed off staff; she helped push me to pay my freeloader debt in the 80's. She genuinely cared. Always liked her. And Joy Murphy! Still there after all these years; never really knew her.
Gary Botteroff (asshole per KR's) OES-(Think he's still that post...he used to have a roofing company and many of the local scn's/staff worked for him until he was forced to get rid of them due to some policy for employing Staff...I even lived with him and his wife KB for a couple months...off post, Gary could be a nice guy, but on post...he was always sort of a hard ass....) I never did deal with him on post.
Sue Vespi LC-(She is now ED, became ED right before we left...she was always nice to me....but don't know her too well). Another super nice one!
Guerromo Perez EO-(really sweet and HANDSOME guy! He was in HCO when we were there....) Oh Michelle, you and every other woman makes me sick! Women were always going goo goo over him! Guess I'm just jealous.
Sharon Maddigan auditor-(was she Celia's and KB's mom? She died shortly after we joined Staff) No, Margaret ??? was her Mom's name. Sharon was Tom Maddigan's wife before Cecilia. Then Sharon married and become something like Sharon Messier - then her and her hubby who were on staff blew and got Declared.
Sam(atha) (wow;was one of my roomates; can't remember her last name! maybe Darling?)-(name doesn't ring a bell) Wow; I'm surprised; she was on staff for years and years. Didn't think she'd ever leave.
Dave (other roommate; can't remember his last name either!) worked telex
machines.-(Dave?...Hm....what'd he look like? We knew a Dave Tomlinson...tall, lanky guy, very nice, soft-spoken guy? I liked him, he was my M-1 auditor. Worked in Purif area when we were there) That's him! Yep; nice and quiet.
Tom Maddigan auditor-(nice guy, he was our wedding photographer...he was still an Auditor when we were there...married Celia Madigan...sadly, he died of a sudden heart attack just a few years ago) So sad to hear that! He, too, was a super nice guy. Wow.
Norman Vespie-(he was there when we were..then he blew and then came back on post like two years later...not sure if he's still there) Funny!
Cathy Fox-ICK! Was our ED and a hitler-esque one at that! Very few of us slept or ate much while we were under her! Last I heard few years ago was Flag auditor training up to CL 9 or 12 or something.
Charlie Fox-(Great guy! He was FSM I/C and worked with him quite a bit, since hubby and I were Div 6'ers...he and Cat Fox were married for a few years....don't know where he is now...) Last I saw, he was at Flag as some admin. He and Cathy had been divorced.
Did you know a Claire Jeans? She was Qual when we were there....
Sadly, she died of Lung Cancer about five or so years ago now...I never minded her, but others thought she was a beyotch.... Yes, I knew her a bit. Seemed nice enough.
Did you know the word-clearer, Sheila? (last name escapes me at the moment). Always liked her,but others had issues with her attitude.... Nope; never heard of her.
I agree with you, nearly all the Staff were great people!
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Think that's it for now. Loved reminiscing! My replies are in normal text after your bold comments. I wish some of these folks would PM one of us! Would love to hear of some of them getting out.