It's time to leave Scientology when....

[Winston Smith]

Mind you all, I blew in the early 70s, when an intensive was about $625. Anyway, I have so often wondered what the $6K plus I spent would have done for me in either GOLD or the stock market. Imagine buying gold at $250 an ounce, oh my. That would have bought ME the bridge to total freedom.


Oh, its time to leave Scn when all the senior staff is declared SP by a bunch of idiot Sea Ork goons. That floored me....absolutely NO loyalty to long time staff.

 

[The Great Zorg]

...sniffle...

Chear up Zorgie, you're a great SP now!

That's the nicest thing anyone's said about me for a long time!

 

[freethinker]

Was that your red sports car going up the ramp of the garage of the Ft Harrison in 1997 that you paid for with book commisions and were told it wasn't the proper image for a Sea Org member?

FOR NO REASON....You get routed to Ethics to be lectured by an angry Sea Org MAA about being out ethics for buying a sports car. (this actually happened at Flag, folks) The MMA will not say what policy is being violated or what ethics action needs to be taken...they are so busy with a red-faced diatribe.

Then you realize...

* Ethics is being slammed in on the productive person paying the MAA's salary--while the unproductive MMA can think of nothing better to do than harass and impede the productive party.
* The MAA is lecturing about going full OT as the priority for money---but....
* The person being lectured is "OT" enough to afford the car---and...
* The MAA is not "OT" enough to buy the car, even if they applied their entire $50.00 per week salary for the next 50 years.
* The MAA refuses to answer the question "What kind of car would be an ethical car to buy?" and just suddenly ends off the Ethics interview.
* The "church's" anger is being channeled thru the hapless MAA and they are mighty pissed off because one of their customers has money and is happily spending it on something that gives pleasure--unlike this needlessly depressing ethics cycle.

Not only time to walk away from Scn, but time to burn rubber doing it--leaving 100 feet of smoking hot tire tracks in your rear view mirror.

 

[freethinker]

It's time to leave when you pick up a copy of the NY Times and the front page says Scientology hides it's abuses

 

[freemefree]

It's time to leave Scientology when they take your credit card out of you hand as you are sobbing over a stupid boy and charge it with out asking. All the while telling you everyone of you family and friend that do not agree with Scientology are SP and must be disconnected with. "Honey" have you ever thought of joining the SO......... I would say the actual time to have left would have been about 5 minutes before I walked in the front door.

 

[Happy Aberree]

THAT'S ONE BETTER, HH!

HILARIOUS!

Reminds me of my BP on the day before the day I left Scn.

0. While sleeping, postulate waking up.
1. Wake up
2. Make bed
3. Coffee
4. While awake, postulate staying asleep about Scientology
...

That's the money card right there. Bloody hilarious HH!
EDIT: And I notice it is a "zero" target as well. You definitely need to leave when you are starting BPs with "zero"! What is that? A pre-requisite to the to-do list??? A pre-do??? (I'll have to 2 pre-do's and a post-have, and hold the "be")

If you're doing BPs like these... all this: 1. Pick up phone, 2. Dial Fred, 3. Get in comm with Fred, etc... YOU GOTTA GET OUT!!!!!!

YOU GOTTA GET OUT!!!!

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Was that your red sports car going up the ramp of the garage of the Ft Harrison in 1997 that you paid for with book commisions and were told it wasn't the proper image for a Sea Org member?

No, that car must have been another unethical scientologist.

I was paying PUBLIC when this happened! That's one of the things that is so bizarre about it. And it was just suddenly out of the blue, it is not anything that ever came up in a reg cycle or an auditing cycle or an ethics cycle.

Someone just saw it and decided that it was unethical for me spend my own money that way.

So they tried to intimidate or "guilt me" out of it and give them the money instead.

These are some very nasty and mentally ill people.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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[HelluvaHoax!]

Originally Posted by Happy Aberree
That's the money card right there. Bloody hilarious HH!
EDIT: And I notice it is a "zero" target as well.You definitely need to leave when you are starting BPs with "zero"! What is that? A pre-requisite to the to-do list??? A pre-do??? (I'll have to 2 pre-do's and a post-have, and hold the "be")

Lovin this list as it expands!

We have now moved officially into "ZERO" territory...Like the OT levels, it's all negative case gain until you get to the last step:

0000000. While sleeping, postulate waking up.
000000. Wake up
00000. Make bed
0000. Coffee
000. While awake, postulate staying asleep about Scientology
00. Postulate the money to do the "How To Make Your Postulates Work" course.
0. Postulate graduating the "How to Make Your Postulates Work" course with the ability to postulate.
1. Postulate a new life outside of Scientology that does not involve buying, selling or doing sure-fire postulate courses and auditing.

 

[Carmel]

<snip>
00000. Make bed
<snip>

Ooaagghh! A man who has making his bed on his BP.

(I think Emms has one of them now )

 

[Happy Aberree]

Lovin this list as it expands!

We have now moved officially into "ZERO" territory...Like the OT levels, it's all negative case gain until you get to the last step:

0000000. While sleeping, postulate waking up.
000000. Wake up
00000. Make bed
0000. Coffee
000. While awake, postulate staying asleep about Scientology
00. Postulate the money to do the "How To Make Your Postulates Work" course.
0. Postulate graduating the "How to Make Your Postulates Work" course with the ability to postulate.
1. Postulate a new life outside of Scientology that does not involve buying, selling or doing sure-fire postulate courses and auditing.

Ok, let's see what we can do with this:

0000000. Go to sleep and postulate, postulating waking up.
000000. While sleeping, postulate waking up.
000000A. Conditional: If you have a CI dream or if postulate stalls, apply standard 302 Debug (abridged version for BPs)
00000. Wake up.
00000A. Conditional: If you do not wake up, terminate BP and de-brief
0000. Make bed.
0000A. Conditional: If you are still in bed because you did not wake up, then disregard BP target 0000.
000. Coffee.
000A. Conditional: If you do not want coffee tomorrow then have something else.
00. Postulate, postulating that your postulates will always stick especially regarding future postulates.
00A. Conditional: If your postulate does not stick, then make a postulate that can re-stick unstuck postulates.
0. Know that doing this BP will set you up for the next cycle of action in your life.
1. Realise that if you have successfully gotten to this step on the BP, that it is time to leave scientology...

NOW THAT'S LEAVING SCIENTOLOGY FOR REAL!!! (standing ovation)

 

[Hatshepsut]

It's time to leave Scientology when....

HelluvaHoax!FOR NO REASON....You get routed to Ethics to be lectured by an angry Sea Org MAA about being out ethics for buying a sports car. (this actually happened at Flag, folks) The MMA will not say what policy is being violated or what ethics action needs to be taken...they are so busy with a red-faced diatribe

.

HelluvaHoax. No, that car must have been another unethical scientologist.

I was paying PUBLIC when this happened! That's one of the things that is so bizarre about it. And it was just suddenly out of the blue, it is not anything that ever came up in a reg cycle or an auditing cycle or an ethics cycle.

Funny. Several years ago I went down to Clearwater to visit friends who were staying on the beach after attending a 'Xango' seminar. I drove down Fort Harrison Ave and saw Class IX, Rick Sheehy peeling out of the garage in his little sports car. It was evening on Sunday and his joy of escaping with the wind in his hair was obvious!

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Funny. Several years ago I went down to Clearwater to visit friends who were staying on the beach after attending a 'Xango' seminar. I drove down Fort Harrison Ave and saw Class IX, Rick Sheehy peeling out of the garage in his little sports car. It was evening on Sunday and his joy of escaping with the wind in his hair was obvious!

Interesting! In the eco-system of Sea Org members, the automobile holds a mystically iconic power.

Naturally on SO pay no one can afford a car. Rick was one of the tiny few who somehow managed to "rise above the group bank" (and the group bus).

But, even if you have a car you still cannot drive it....

Like everything else in Scientology, you are declared incapable of driving a car unless you have done Ron's car driving checksheet. So even if you arrived in the Sea Org with a driver's license and flawless driving record--you still can't drive a car until you have studied holy scripture on driving and until the priests of the cult have given their sacred approval & blessing.

From inside the Sea Org it almost makes sense.

From outside the Sea Org, it is all an obvious and ridiculous joke to prevent Sea Org members from having access to escape vehicles.

 

[Mest Lover]

Because of this: http://www.ksfo560.com/Article.asp?id=1724196&spid=36718

and that:

http://www.ksfo560.com/Article.asp?id=1724197&spid=36718

 

[freethinker]

Yeah man, How dare you spend your money on the traps of the MEST universe when there's a poor starving reg who wants you to be as miserable as he is.

No, that car must have been another unethical scientologist.

I was paying PUBLIC when this happened! That's one of the things that is so bizarre about it. And it was just suddenly out of the blue, it is not anything that ever came up in a reg cycle or an auditing cycle or an ethics cycle.

Someone just saw it and decided that it was unethical for me spend my own money that way.

So they tried to intimidate or "guilt me" out of it and give them the money instead.

These are some very nasty and mentally ill people.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Yeah man, How dare you spend your money on the traps of the MEST universe when there's a poor starving reg who wants you to be as miserable as he is.

HellYeah!

A = Car = Trap of the MEST universe.

It it just me, or is a car also an escape vehicle out of the trap of the SO universe?

 

[Hatshepsut]

HH

Interesting! In the eco-system of Sea Org members, the automobile holds a mystically iconic power.

Naturally on SO pay no one can afford a car. Rick was one of the tiny few who somehow managed to "rise above the group bank" (and the group bus).

Rick had been there so many decades that I guess they thought if he'd anywhere to go he'd a left by now. Besides, that is one guy who sees others' ideas and control mechanisms for what they are. I think he'd secretly left the idea that RTC was sacrosanct behind. (he was my auditor in 1981)

 

[Hatshepsut]

You know its time to leave when the staff who have heretofore been the sanest are driven insane by the insanest using crazy lists on them....

LIST ONE R/Ser


There are, for our purposes, two kinds of R/Sers. (a) Those who R/S on subjects not connected with Scientology and (b) those who R/S on subjects connected to Scientology. The latter is a "List One R/Ser" and it is of great importance to us that they be located and moved off lines when they are part of staffs as their intent is solely to destroy us whatever else they say: Their long-run actions will prove it.

The definition of a List One R/Ser is anyone who has R/Sed on List One.

[...]

Where there is any doubt as to the validity of a List One R/S, a verification should be done. The procedure is to vigorously sec check the pc on the subject of the reported List One R/S. This Sec Check must be done by an auditor who knows R/Ses and can make lists read and pull W/Hs connected with R/S.

[...]

Where a pc R/Ses, he will have evil purposes and be on a succumb as a result. R/Ses indicate an area of psychosis which will ruin the pc's life if allowed to go unhandled.

— L. Ron Hubbard
HCOB 1 November 1974RA Rock Slams And Rock Slammers pdf

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

HH

Rick had been there so many decades that I guess they thought if he'd anywhere to go he'd a left by now. Besides, that is one guy who sees others' ideas and control mechanisms for what they are. I think he'd secretly left the idea that RTC was sacrosanct behind. (he was my auditor in 1981)

Cool!

I heard a rumor that the Church of Scientology has commissioned their own symbol of Total Freedom in a super-sized Statue of Liberty.

Besides being 5.4x the scale of the original, it will have inward-facing spikes.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Good one.