I've seen it!! a REAL cure for cancer!

[RolandRB]

God said, "I have given you every plant with seeds on the face of the earth and every tree that has fruit with seeds. This will be your food."
Did you ever hear any rumor that the World Government wants to ban true knowlege, freedom of thought, belief systems (religion), etc. etc.? In fact giving any acknowledgement to the workability of such things would be against their own selfesh inhuman intentions. It really depends on who you think is on your side. Can you just chill for a minute. I mean have you ever eaten a big black watermellon seed? That is is you can find a watermellon that hasn't been genetically altered, with the little pale seeds. It is a incredible taste sensation you may be missing out on. Did you ever consider?

I think you have answered my questions very well and I think you have answered them well for all "master herbalists" the world over.

 

[RolandRB]

Then why are so many people reporting success, hmmmm? Are they all lying or insane? You can believe official bureaucratic doctrine and ignore mounting testimony if you wish, but I think your a fool if you do.



We don't manufacture lots of nutrients of all kinds and have to eat them. I think you're incorrect thinking something went wrong. All we need for health exits somewhere.



Haven't you been reading even this thread? The 'substance' exits in all kinds of foods. Wheat grass is another that has higher levels of it. It exists in all seeds and grains to some degree. I've read it is a large variation with regular wheat being at the low end.

So, whether or not it's a real, official fucking vitamin is irrelevant! The thing is, it's in common foods, and some of them have higher percentages, and the people who eat those are reporting drastically lower levels of cancer. Whether you like it or not, so deal with it.




I understand your concern. I wish the government really functioned like that. I fear it favors special interests over the greater good, however.



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You have got to think how organisms developed. Think of single-celled creatures. They are in a bath of nutrients of various sorts and if they need them they will use them. As they eveolve they make many compounds that are needed. Vitamin C is one of them. They don't have to make salt (and can't) because that is all around them in any case. As for this "Vitamin B17" nonsense then mammals have never had a need for it but if they did they would have manufactured it themsevses just like cats and dogs manufacture Vitamin C in their livers. If an organism is working OK then all they need is nutrients (like what is in the solution they are surrounded by) and a source of carbohydrate and protein (the latter if they need it). You have got to think about how creatures evolve. A creature can't evolve if they need something that they can't get because they are not evolved enough to take it. Apes lost the ability to manufacture vitamin C due to a disaster in encoding but when this happened they were already a dominant creature and they could get it from elsewhere. But they evolved with a need for it and a long time ago they manufactured it. No mammal has ever had a need for this dishonestly named "Vitamin B17" and it plays no part in the functioning of mammals.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Here is one source where it is partially explained. I'll look round for other sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin

I am familiar with this reference but do not see where it "explains" your definition of "vitamin". (the part of your definition I highlighted in red earlier in this thread). This reference seems to contradict what you are saying. I quote: "For the most part, vitamins are obtained with food, but a few are obtained by other means."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin[/quote]

Where does this reference indicate that these vitamins that are now obtained with food were previously "made by the body"?

 

[RolandRB]

I am familiar with this reference but do not see where it "explains" your definition of "vitamin". (the part of your definition I highlighted in red earlier in this thread). This reference seems to contradict what you are saying. I quote: "For the most part, vitamins are obtained with food, but a few are obtained by other means."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin

Where does this reference indicate that these vitamins that are now obtained with food were previously "made by the body"?[/QUOTE]

You have got to think how organisms evolve. And as for Vitamin C and the failure of apes to now make it then the below reference is perhaps enough. It is us, guinea pigs and bats plus a few more species where we lost the ability to make it. But by that time we were so evolved that we could get it from elsewhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C

 

[CornPie]

I bought some apricots, ate a few, and I have some 'wooden like' seeds. Can anyone tell me a straight forward of cracking them open, short of taking a hammer to them -- there must be a more elegant way. I want to remove the smaller acorn sized, bitter tasting seed out of the middle of the larger 'wooden like' seed. Here's a flickr.com picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wombat44/3355942530/

 

[RolandRB]

I bought some apricots, ate a few, and I have some 'wooden like' seeds. Can anyone tell me a straight forward of cracking them open, short of taking a hammer to them -- there must be a more elegant way. I want to remove the smaller acorn sized, bitter tasting seed out of the middle of the larger 'wooden like' seed. Here's a flickr.com picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wombat44/3355942530/

Do it the way all animals have done it from time immemorial to avail themselves of this essential and precious vitamin. Crack it between the cheeks of your arse. And if you can't do that then sign up with a gymn.

 

[Camille M.]

I actually answered you in the prior posting, not this one, maybe you still didnt get it. It is still know about and not being used by the medicos. My question is why. Maybe the truth will come out about that someday. But thank you for your comment.

I think you have answered my questions very well and I think you have answered them well for all "master herbalists" the world over.

 

[Camille M.]

Do it the way all animals have done it from time immemorial to avail themselves of this essential and precious vitamin. Crack it between the cheeks of your arse. And if you can't do that then sign up with a gymn.

You can be quite funny, and a real kick in the grass. Maybe it is time we can all just chill on this. Education cant be forced We have shared our points and facts and that is the best we can do, if it helped anyone, more power! The rest, we can just agree to disagree, Thank you for your input as well

 

[knn]

I bought some apricots, ate a few, and I have some 'wooden like' seeds. Can anyone tell me a straight forward of cracking them open, short of taking a hammer to them -- there must be a more elegant way. I want to remove the smaller acorn sized, bitter tasting seed out of the middle of the larger 'wooden like' seed. Here's a flickr.com picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wombat44/3355942530/

You can buy them ready to be eaten.

 

[Mick Wenlock]

Then why are so many people reporting success, hmmmm? Are they all lying or insane? You can believe official bureaucratic doctrine and ignore mounting testimony if you wish, but I think your a fool if you do.

What is it about numbers of people claiming something that fascinates you so much? John Edward claims to talk to the dead and thousands believe him - does that make this fantasy correct? 400 years ago Doctors thought the correct way to cure an infection from a knife wound was to bury the knife. There are thousands upon thousands of success stories from the Church of Scientology about how LRH Tech saved this and that person. You can go to benny hinn's site and read of miraculous cures and you can check out the history of Lourdes.

It is one thing to say "I have cured this person by the laying on of hands" because there is no way to verify this at all. It is quite another to claim "I can cure anyone by the laying on of hands" because that statement can be put to the test.

You put forward a very interesting story at the start of the thread - did you get all the info together as I suggested? Put together a case file based on every piece of info you have, preferably overseen by a known researcher. this one case, in and of itself will prove nothing but if there are several well documented cases - that opens up possibilities for research.

 

[Camille M.]

I bought some apricots, ate a few, and I have some 'wooden like' seeds. Can anyone tell me a straight forward of cracking them open, short of taking a hammer to them -- there must be a more elegant way. I want to remove the smaller acorn sized, bitter tasting seed out of the middle of the larger 'wooden like' seed. Here's a flickr.com picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wombat44/3355942530/

If you get ordinary pliers and put the apricot seed sidways (Like cracking a wanut or such). The apricot goes toward the inside of the pliers and place it so it is balanced evenly between the teeth of the pliers. Cover with a napikin or towel so the shell does not shoot all over. Then squeezd until it pops open. It should be that easy. I think getting them fresh and cracking oneself is a good idea. You might want to crack many and freeze them too. Hope this helps.

 

[Camille M.]

What is it about numbers of people claiming something that fascinates you so much? John Edward claims to talk to the dead and thousands believe him - does that make this fantasy correct? 400 years ago Doctors thought the correct way to cure an infection from a knife wound was to bury the knife. There are thousands upon thousands of success stories from the Church of Scientology about how LRH Tech saved this and that person. You can go to benny hinn's site and read of miraculous cures and you can check out the history of Lourdes.

It is one thing to say "I have cured this person by the laying on of hands" because there is no way to verify this at all. It is quite another to claim "I can cure anyone by the laying on of hands" because that statement can be put to the test.

You put forward a very interesting story at the start of the thread - did you get all the info together as I suggested? Put together a case file based on every piece of info you have, preferably overseen by a known researcher. this one case, in and of itself will prove nothing but if there are several well documented cases - that opens up possibilities for research.

When a person has a incredible experience, with their kind heart they tend to want to share it. Are you saying that there is no such thing as natural healing and only man made cures are workable. What do you think is used to make man made cures? Don't we only have our resources on the planet to work with. Some are good and some are not. Some are poisionous and some are healthy. It is knowing what is compatable. As far as communicating with the dead. Are you saying that we are just bodies and machinery? It only makes sense for that those who would belive that would refuse communication with spirit, how could they do otherwise if they have had no experinece of their own with that? Hands of healing is connecting the body and spirit and is someone can contact another that wants to be healed, how could that not work? Only the healed can speak of this experience as proff, but still there are those who will knock them for speaking. Is all knowledge just left to some kind of authority who refuses the existance of such things? Has anyone ever helped you with any means of spirtual contact, I mean only those who experienced it would truly be the authority on the subject. There are alot of strange ideas of medicine and healing in the past in the attempt to make us out live our current states, but even so, they were trying to do the best they could at the time. There is alot of workable applications and every form of workable medicine and healing has its place and time for usefullness.

 

[Mick Wenlock]

When a person has a incredible experience, with their kind heart they tend to want to share it. Are you saying that there is no such thing as natural healing and only man made cures are workable.

wow - did you not learn how to read? Would you care to quote where I said that?

seriously - are you that illiterate? It would make sense if you are - you cannot seem to write in paragraphs and what you write doesn't make much sense.

What do you think is used to make man made cures? Don't we only have our resources on the planet to work with. Some are good and some are not.

what are you drivelling on about? You seem eager to make a point about something I did not say - so why not start your own thread instead of demonstrating that you cannot read?

Some are poisionous and some are healthy.

that IS profound - did you read that in the comic book somewhere?

It is knowing what is compatable.

wow.

As far as communicating with the dead. Are you saying that we are just bodies and machinery?

is that the only alternative you can see? Sad.

It only makes sense for that those who would belive that would refuse communication with spirit, how could they do otherwise if they have had no experinece of their own with that?

You do realize that what you wrote here is total gibberish don't you? Would you care to actually write a meaningful sentence or two - include pictures if it will help you.

Hands of healing is connecting the body and spirit and is someone can contact another that wants to be healed, how could that not work?

And yet another piece of total gibberish. Do you somehow have a "phrase generator" that you use for producing this? care to rewrite this into a real sentence?

Only the healed can speak of this experience as proff, but still there are those who will knock them for speaking.

wow -so your idea of "proof" is someone spouts drivel, they get criticized for it therefore what they say is correct?

Wow, this is thinking of an order worthy of an amoeba.

Is all knowledge just left to some kind of authority who refuses the existance of such things?

Not only can you not write coherently you cannot seem to understand the written word.

Has anyone ever helped you with any means of spirtual contact, I mean only those who experienced it would truly be the authority on the subject.

So the fact that you are not a doctor would mean that your opinions about medicine are asinine and unworthy?

Even though your opinions ARE asinine its not because you are not a doctor - its because you are ignorant.

There are alot of strange ideas of medicine and healing in the past in the attempt to make us out live our current states, but even so, they were trying to do the best they could at the time. There is alot of workable applications and every form of workable medicine and healing has its place and time for usefullness.

according to you - you cannot have an opinion about it.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

When a person has a incredible experience, with their kind heart they tend to want to share it. Are you saying that there is no such thing as natural healing and only man made cures are workable. What do you think is used to make man made cures? Don't we only have our resources on the planet to work with. Some are good and some are not. Some are poisionous and some are healthy. It is knowing what is compatable. As far as communicating with the dead. Are you saying that we are just bodies and machinery? It only makes sense for that those who would belive that would refuse communication with spirit, how could they do otherwise if they have had no experinece of their own with that? Hands of healing is connecting the body and spirit and is someone can contact another that wants to be healed, how could that not work? Only the healed can speak of this experience as proff, but still there are those who will knock them for speaking. Is all knowledge just left to some kind of authority who refuses the existance of such things? Has anyone ever helped you with any means of spirtual contact, I mean only those who experienced it would truly be the authority on the subject. There are alot of strange ideas of medicine and healing in the past in the attempt to make us out live our current states, but even so, they were trying to do the best they could at the time. There is alot of workable applications and every form of workable medicine and healing has its place and time for usefullness.

I think perhaps you are not making a clear point here.

Also, those who believe in a scientific method do not accept your premises.

You have to make your point in a way that is clear to them, and is not based on the idea that your premises are correct, and the probelm is simply that the others do not understand that.

You have to back up your premises in the language of science if you are trying to convince someone with a scientific mind that you are correct.

You have to speak the same language to communicate.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Camille M.]

I think perhaps you are not making a clear point here.

Also, those who believe in a scientific method do not accept your premises.

You have to make your point in a way that is clear to them, and is not based on the idea that your premises are correct, and the probelm is simply that the others do not understand that.

You have to back up your premises in the language of science if you are trying to convince someone with a scientific mind that you are correct.

You have to speak the same language to communicate.

The Anabaptist Jacques

I apoligize for being too brief with my explanation. I only meant to reflect that what was being said was and I think I can read between the lines and what is being said. This guy is just bulling others and he is good at it. I refuse tobe insulted by such disgustful remarks and contempt. I was not trying to use any particular language of science to convince anyone, that was not my point. Does that scientific mind have his own degree in chemistry? Do you feel that he should attack as he does? Over disagreement? I havent seen his facts. If I spoke the same language, I would have to be a complete arse.

 

[Camille M.]

wow - did you not learn how to read? Would you care to quote where I said that?
No I never learned to read . It is obviouse that you make wrong of anything that you have not seen scientifically proven. :confused2:

seriously - are you that illiterate? It would make sense if you are - you cannot seem to write in paragraphs and what you write doesn't make much sense.
Sorry I am not being formal and and shreading you to pieces and looking intellectual when I am doing it. It is not my way.



what are you drivelling on about? You seem eager to make a point about something I did not say - so why not start your own thread instead of demonstrating that you cannot read?
I must not read because now you are denying that you attacked certain statemets made by others.


that IS profound - did you read that in the comic book somewhere?
You are quite funny


wow.



is that the only alternative you can see? Sad.

No, I did not state that. But what was your point?


You do realize that what you wrote here is total gibberish don't you? Would you care to actually write a meaningful sentence or two - include pictures if it will help you.
No and you are right, I don't know anything. Do you realize how antagonistic you sound? here is a picture for you sledgehammer


And yet another piece of total gibberish. Do you somehow have a "phrase generator" that you use for producing this? care to rewrite this into a real sentence?
Explain how this is gibberish.


wow -so your idea of "proof" is someone spouts drivel, they get criticized for it therefore what they say is correct?
I exist, therefore I am. Do you deny ones existance by making wrong every statement that they could possibly make?
Wow, this is thinking of an order worthy of an amoeba.
Yes is is quite advanced technology isn't it.


Not only can you not write coherently you cannot seem to understand the written word.
I understand better than you would like me to.


So the fact that you are not a doctor would mean that your opinions about medicine are asinine and unworthy?
I can perscribe and treat, yes, who said I couldn't.
Even though your opinions ARE asinine its not because you are not a doctor - its because you are ignorant.
I am more intellingent than the elaborate words that you use to destroy others communication with.


according to you - you cannot have an opinion about it.

That makes no sense at all. According to you I cannot have an opinion period. Why then if I am so ingnorant and unworthy do you take the time to chop up my communication and spit out your gibberish??? Good bye dear friend. Maybe it would be much more pleasant is we just don't communicate further since we are not helping eachother, that is my choice.

 

[Camille M.]

Sorry Mick that I wrote in your Quote box, I admit this is new to me. I haven't posted much here. But I think you can read my replies. That is all I wanted to say. Peace

 

[CornPie]

You can buy [apricot seeds] ready to be eaten.

How would one know if they were buying real apricot seeds -- vs seeds from peaches or plums? I would think the price of apricot seeds would be a lot higher, with all the cancer hype, and I wouldn't put it past some crooks to make the switch. After all, if there is anything to the story of apricot seeds wiping out cancer -- your life would be on the line -- so it might be worth the expense of buying real apricots.

At least prescription meds have numbers stamped into each pill, which would be difficult for the lay person to duplicate. And the higher priced designer boutique meds have pretty shapes, colors, and sizes.

Lastly, I just ate a peach, cracked open the pit, and there were two almonds inside, they were far less bitter than apricots.

 

[CornPie]

If you get ordinary pliers and put the apricot seed sidways (Like cracking a wanut or such). The apricot goes toward the inside of the pliers and place it so it is balanced evenly between the teeth of the pliers. Cover with a napikin or towel so the shell does not shoot all over. Then squeezd until it pops open. It should be that easy. I think getting them fresh and cracking oneself is a good idea. You might want to crack many and freeze them too. Hope this helps.

Thanks, your post inspired me to rummage through my toolbox, to find a larger pliers, with more leverage, and it worked fine. I was able to crack the apricot seed fine. This was not possible with a smaller pliers.

Also, wrapping the large wooden-like seed in a napkin was a good idea. Because like you said, otherwise the fragments from the wooden-like larger seed went flying all over the place when I broke it open.

By the way, the inner seed looks just like an acorn, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. It wasn't as bitter as I thought it would be, but it's not tasty at all. The picture I linked to earlier is not accurate -- which just goes to show you -- everything you see and hear on the Internet is not accurate.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

I apoligize for being too brief with my explanation. I only meant to reflect that what was being said was and I think I can read between the lines and what is being said. This guy is just bulling others and he is good at it. I refuse tobe insulted by such disgustful remarks and contempt. I was not trying to use any particular language of science to convince anyone, that was not my point. Does that scientific mind have his own degree in chemistry? Do you feel that he should attack as he does? Over disagreement? I havent seen his facts. If I spoke the same language, I would have to be a complete arse.

OK. I understand.

I think that most of the time when hostlity arises on threads it is largely because one does not understand what the other is saying.

I was just trying to mend what I thought was a problem caused by that.

The Anabaptist Jacques